GOP Budget to Add $1,500,000,000,000 to the National Debt

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You folks on the Right seem to think Liberals can time travel. Your timeline doesn't work for Hillary colluding with Russia on Uranium One
Donations of $145 million from Uranium One donors to Clinton Foundation is quite suspicious.
One Year of Silence on Hillary Clinton Uranium Deal - Breitbart

I'm willing to wait for evidence. Just like I've waited for about 24 years to see the GOP finally get something they can nail Hillary for. They've been gunning for her for nearly 1/4 of a century. So far they haven't found something that sticks.
How many scandals have been tied to the Clintons? They do get away with it, they seem to be above the law.
But you can wait. This era is filled with exposing people.

Because America should be dedicated to ensuring some people are less equal than others! All because you guys find gay people "icky".
Equal rights is one thing. The definition of marriage as always been between a male and a female since the beginning.

You think Donald J. Trump has a good character?
No, don't like his arrogance and the way he bulldozes anyone who gets in his way. But I don't believe he's a criminal. I believe Bill and Hillary are, many times over -- how many scandals have come out linked to them? Trump doesn't have the charm of Reagan of the intelligence of Kennedy but he is a successful business man and that you can take to the bank and he did it legally.
 
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Did God destroy the earth in a flood? According to the Bible, He will destroy the earth again with fire. Did He not choose good kings and allow bad kings in the Bible?
Liberals have a way of changing and distorting reality. They also tend to pick and choose scriptures they like and discard the ones that aren't favorable if it doesn't fit their lifestyle of agenda. So you'll have people believing in a Loving God, a God who will just forgive everyone and save everyone because He is all merciful and forgiving.
I'm sorry to burst your liberal bubble, but this is not Biblical. God is Love but He is also a God of Justice and sin will be judged or forgiven and not everyone will be forgiven.
The Great Tribulation is filled with catastrophes; it's hard to describe exactly if they will be a combination of natural causes, man-made weapons, or just God reigning down fire upon us.
Make no mistake, God is sovereign, in control of good and evil and allows it for a purpose, part of which is so that we know the difference. Being sovereign means He has a perfect plan and so man cannot mess it up. He appoints the leaders - we participate in His work and purpose, but it is His good works that flow through us.

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and all authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment to themselves." Romans 13:1, 2

Mueller will not last much longer, he is in trouble, involved in a scandal and hoping to perform a magic trick with his scapegoat. The real story is the collusion between Hillary, Obama and Russia and our uranium. It is the biggest scandal that they've been trying to mask, while creating a fictitious one involving Trump.

I did not say that Obama wasn't appointed by God. I believe in the above scripture that every leader was appointed by God in history. Some deserve good leaders and then when the people turn away from God, become wicked and corrupt, to punish them, a bad leader. Or if the end is near, well, a leader to really cause irreparable damage and division, then maybe one to show force when the time is needed.

So much for everyone's superficial political arguments and struggling with why this one won or that one lost -- YOU CAN ALL RELAX NOW, GOD'S REALLY IN CONTROL, YOU AREN'T.
God didn’t actually destroy the Earth in the flood. He just flooded it. Big diff.

God told me to vote third party and that there is a specially- prepared suite in Sheol for President Trump. Andrew Breitbart is doing the window treatments. There are also special areas for claims adjusters and lobbyists but that’s another thread.
 
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They pay dividends to stock holders. It is often the demands of stock holders (many of whom have ZERO understanding even of what the company makes or how it deals with challenges) that cause employment to be tenuous at best.
It's up to the business to weigh the demands of stock holders and the best interest of the company.
If he didn't invent the flagship product he didn't "make" any jobs. He found a niche, found someone else's work that fit the niche, made some changes and created a market. The need for employees rose up and employees had to be hired.
That's the same thing. Gates created a business, and not only did he hire good people to work directly for him, the popularity of the products produced jobs for system administrators, database administrators, Excel, Word and Powerpoint experts, and so on.
No, market demands make jobs. The businesses exist to meet the demands and hire people to make the widgets.
As I said, it's the same thing. Businesses also buy products which need support, therefore, jobs are created.
That's a concept that never made sense to me. As I said after I got my PhD and did two postdoctoral fellowships I actually hid my PhD from my resume so I could get a job. PhD's often get overlooked because they are considered too expensive for various positions.
I've done that, too. At one point I was out of a job for a few months, and asked an agency to put me in a far lesser job, but all they saw in my resume was commission $$$, and never placed me.
I've never felt someone "couldn't afford me". Still don't, really. Now that I've got 20+ years of experience under my belt I assume my job can easily go away in a heartbeat. I'll have to take whatever I can find to make a living.
Well, if you're charging $100 an hour and they only want to pay $50...maybe 'couldn't afford' is the wrong term. Everyone has a price they feel is reasonable for a service.
In much the same way the Government put a damper on Standard Oil or countless other Trusts. Trusts tend to destroy the marketplace and harm the consumer.



I suspect that that day is not long in the offing.



I am curious about the industry you worked in. I took work for an IT company and we are forced to take ethics classes every single year. Business runs on ethics and indeed the only marketplace that is worth defending is one in which all companies play fairly and by the rules.
What I do spans all industries. I've been in healthcare, insurance, finance, the oil industry, government service, food service, and others. Most of the times we take ethics classes, and it's a matter of signing a piece of paper, so I think ethics comes more from one's heart. It's not a matter of being forced to do what's right.
Not the kind of jobs Trump has been promising his workers. Coal mining jobs will never come back to the levels of the pre-1980's. Trump promises these things to his followers counting on the fact that they won't actually understand what is costing the jobs.
Yeah, Clinton and Obama really damaged the coal industry. It is a tough row to hoe, but it'll grow.
A fraction of the number needed to do the same jobs without automation, though.
A fraction of the jobs needed to make the product, but those positions just move to other things, like computer skills and machine repair.
That isn't how efficiency improvements in industry work. At least not in the world that I work in. I have worked with field service engineers who are responsible for setting up the machines my company makes in facilities that are partaking of the "digital revolution" we are proposing for their industry. Jobs are lost precisely because our machines do more productivity faster and with far fewer people.
the jobs are only displaced. Other jobs are created.
Apparently it can be quite uncomfortable for our field service engineers when they have to install a machine that the employees in that factory know will probably cost them their jobs.
What happened to my cheese? You have to reinvent yourself.
That's all fine and dandy and the way technology should work. But it does mean jobs are lost.
A tree drops its seeds and dies. Other trees grow in it's place.
The people may be able to retool and retrain. But that is going to cost us. We can't continue giving tax breaks to millionaires because we think they are "job creators". We have to remember that no job creator exists without an employee willing to do the work.
And no job exists without an employer to fund it.
 
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God didn’t actually destroy the Earth in the flood. He just flooded it. Big diff.

God told me to vote third party and that there is a specially- prepared suite in Sheol for President Trump. Andrew Breitbart is doing the window treatments. There are also special areas for claims adjusters and lobbyists but that’s another thread.
You couldn't surmise I meant life on earth, people, animals, etc. The Ark floated away with 8 people and probably up to 17,000 animals and rest on Mt. Ararat in present day Turkey.
God appointed Trump ... You liberals don't read your bibles! (Romans 13:1)
 
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You couldn't surmise I meant life on earth, people, animals, etc. The Ark floated away with 8 people and probably up to 17,000 animals and rest on Mt. Ararat in present day Turkey.
God appointed Trump ... You liberals don't read your bibles! (Romans 13:1)

Should I search to see if you praised Obama for 8 years, because God appointed Obama?
 
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Donations of $145 million from Uranium One donors to Clinton Foundation is quite suspicious.
One Year of Silence on Hillary Clinton Uranium Deal - Breitbart

But you can't really say the donation had any link to Uranium One. For the reasons I listed earlier.

The timing was way off and Hillary didn't OK the deal, that was the CFIS board.

How many scandals have been tied to the Clintons? They do get away with it, they seem to be above the law.

OR (just guessing) no one has been able to tie Hillary directly to an actual crime meriting her being locked up.

Equal rights is one thing. The definition of marriage as always been between a male and a female since the beginning.

How about one man and TWO women?

Genesis 4:19: And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

or perhaps one man and 700 wives (as well as a couple hundred concubines!) Like Solomon!

1Kings 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

But we DEFINITELY can't allow two consenting adult men or two consenting adult women to violate the sanctity of a solemn pact between one man and 700 different women.

No, don't like his arrogance and the way he bulldozes anyone who gets in his way. But I don't believe he's a criminal.

Of course you don't! He hasn't been convicted of anything! Of course he and his father DID pay settlements out of court when charges of discriminatory housing were brought up against them in the 1970's, and Donald DID pay out of court settlements for the Trump U fraud.

As for the rest of it, well his serial adultery and bragging about sexually assaulting women, while perhaps not crimes in and of themselves would seem to make him a less than ideal person. But I'm not an evangelical so I don't know what passes for "virtue". At least Donald doesn't violate the idea of marriage between one man and one woman. Well, he violates the vows of marriage apparently, but it is with another woman, so I guess it's A-OK!

Trump doesn't have the charm of Reagan of the intelligence of Kennedy but he is a successful business man and that you can take to the bank and he did it legally.

Actually his business acumen is questionable. He's only barely matched index funds over his 40 years and he found a way to drive not one but a few casinos into the ground (!) In Atlantic City he plowed tons of money into one casino and then proceeded to cannibalize the profits of that casino by putting another one nearby! He drove it into the ground.

But Trump DID take a multimillion dollar inheritance from his daddy and was able to make a living with it, so I guess he's doing well.

I can see why the Religious Right like Trump. He appears to worship MAMMON with a vengeance, he violates anything like the sanctity of marriage on a consistent basis, he lies about most things. He seems to be the complete package!
 
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God appointed Trump ... You liberals don't read your bibles! (Romans 13:1)

And EVANGELICALS VOTED FOR TRUMP. That's the best part evangelicals and Christian Right voters voted for a man who is a serial adulterer and who literally lives in a golden palace in the sky and appears to worship money!

No need to blame God for Trump. God's followers voted for Trump. God's followers were the ones who wanted him in office despite the fact that he appears to stand 4 square against just about every single thing they excoriate other people over.

Maybe the Religious Right needs to read their bibles.
 
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The budget is just a wish list, just as it always is. What matter is appropriations, the spending of money, and debt limits, the paying of the bills.

$1.5 trillion is fine if we have 3% growth as we have had for 6 months. The $1.5T will go away if spending doesn't increase with new spending.

The problem with the budget is its priorities. Many, many programs are reduced, helping the federal government, hurting the states, local governments and individuals.
 
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You certainly are nitpicking. God destroyed 99.999 percent of the peoples and animals of earth, and flooded all the land. One can be excused at calling this "destruction". If even 80% of Houston were destroyed, we'd probably say that Houston was destroyed.

God didn’t actually destroy the Earth in the flood. He just flooded it. Big diff.
 
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But you can't really say the donation had any link to Uranium One. For the reasons I listed earlier.

The timing was way off and Hillary didn't OK the deal, that was the CFIS board.



OR (just guessing) no one has been able to tie Hillary directly to an actual crime meriting her being locked up.



How about one man and TWO women?

Genesis 4:19: And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

or perhaps one man and 700 wives (as well as a couple hundred concubines!) Like Solomon!

1Kings 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

But we DEFINITELY can't allow two consenting adult men or two consenting adult women to violate the sanctity of a solemn pact between one man and 700 different women.



Of course you don't! He hasn't been convicted of anything! Of course he and his father DID pay settlements out of court when charges of discriminatory housing were brought up against them in the 1970's, and Donald DID pay out of court settlements for the Trump U fraud.

As for the rest of it, well his serial adultery and bragging about sexually assaulting women, while perhaps not crimes in and of themselves would seem to make him a less than ideal person. But I'm not an evangelical so I don't know what passes for "virtue". At least Donald doesn't violate the idea of marriage between one man and one woman. Well, he violates the vows of marriage apparently, but it is with another woman, so I guess it's A-OK!



Actually his business acumen is questionable. He's only barely matched index funds over his 40 years and he found a way to drive not one but a few casinos into the ground (!) In Atlantic City he plowed tons of money into one casino and then proceeded to cannibalize the profits of that casino by putting another one nearby! He drove it into the ground.

But Trump DID take a multimillion dollar inheritance from his daddy and was able to make a living with it, so I guess he's doing well.

I can see why the Religious Right like Trump. He appears to worship MAMMON with a vengeance, he violates anything like the sanctity of marriage on a consistent basis, he lies about most things. He seems to be the complete package!
King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines -- where did he get all the energy? :) Well, man was made to procreate with a woman, they were designed that way along with the rest of the animal kingdom.
Why don't we put this to rest, we won't agree on anything. You are an atheist/Democrat. We are on the opposite side of a big fence or maybe its a chasm? Take care.
 
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And EVANGELICALS VOTED FOR TRUMP. That's the best part evangelicals and Christian Right voters voted for a man who is a serial adulterer and who literally lives in a golden palace in the sky and appears to worship money!

No need to blame God for Trump. God's followers voted for Trump. God's followers were the ones who wanted him in office despite the fact that he appears to stand 4 square against just about every single thing they excoriate other people over.

Maybe the Religious Right needs to read their bibles.
America voted for Trump -- accept it, live with it.
 
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America voted for Trump -- accept it, live with it.

I can accept it and live with it. A a Democrat, I am much better off with Trump than with Cruz, or with Pence.

It's evangelical Republicans who will have to explain Trump to their children and grandchildren.
 
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Should I search to see if you praised Obama for 8 years, because God appointed Obama?
God appointed Obama - part of the downfall of a great nation -- our punishment _ with more to come. He set us up and really I don't think anyone can turn it around. He allowed the Middle East to unravel and catch fire, aagaiaan part of the preliminary events leading up to the Great Tribulation - I think,,could be wrong.
 
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St. Joan of Arc heard God's voice telling her to recover France from English domination.

While you say we should "accept" Trump, I admire progressive people of faith who are called to rise up against corruption, oligarchy, rising income inequality, xenophobia, etc., etc., etc.

If you haven't heard God telling you to loudly oppose the Trump administration, perhaps you're not listening carefully enough.
 
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King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines -- where did he get all the energy? :) Well, man was made to procreate with a woman, they were designed that way along with the rest of the animal kingdom.
Why don't we put this to rest, we won't agree on anything. You are an atheist/Democrat. We are on the opposite side of a big fence or maybe its a chasm? Take care.

So whenever you guys make big claims about the institution of marriage and how it was since the beginning I'm supposed to simply ignore what the Bible says?

Huh.

Yes we disagree on things. But at least I can support my position.
 
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I can accept it and live with it. A a Democrat, I am much better off with Trump than with Cruz, or with Pence.

It's evangelical Republicans who will have to explain Trump to their children and grandchildren.

This is sort of a good point. I honestly don't want Pence in office since he's not only a TRUE BELIEVER (TM) but probably able to actually work within the constraints of Washington to get some truly regressive social agendae implemented.

Trump is so maladroit at this that he is already failing on everything he wanted passed (having to rely on EO's instead because his own party can't get behind him). The only downside is Trump is causing problems for the US on the international stage with our allies. He's antagonizing NATO and he's convincing most other nations that America is no longer a country that can necessarily be counted on to stick with treaties or agreements. China at the same time is taking a more internationalist approach. Trump may be overseeing the last of America's influence as a superpower.

With luck his damage will be limited by a single 4 year term at the most and we can sweep out all the regressives in 2020
 
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Equal rights is one thing. The definition of marriage as always been between a male and a female since the beginning.

You mean one male and several females... that's how it was in the beginning...

A simple contract to insure the continued strength of powerful houses... arranged at birth or usually beforehand, with "love" having nothing to do with it -- only familial duty... that's how it was in the beginning.

Good thing absolutely nothing's changed, eh?
 
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Trump may be overseeing the last of America's influence as a superpower.

Give the man some credit -- Donald may be causing the last of America's influence as a superpower.

After all, America's treaties are now only as good as his word... and his word is garbage.
 
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