Question about Gift of Prophecy

JAL said:

I believe the Bible is inerrant in all matters of doctrine (I don't much care about possible trivial discrepancies such as a census-count). I do NOT believe in the cessation of prophetic revelation. And I'm SKEPTICAL that God wants any more revelation canonized, but He retains the option to foster such in the church. I'm not worried about it - I'm worried about getting 100% reliable truth for our use today (regardless of whether it gets canonized) - and exegesis is too error-prone to accomplish that.

No of course not. The conscience is our only authority. You can read any or all of my posts on this thread for my reasoning (I actually did a similar post on our thread here too).
Proof for Sola Scriptura - is irrefutable

I don't accept any multi-covenant theology. I'm more aligned with the Reformed view which is one Covenant of Grace spanning both testaments (see Galatians 3).

You seem to have your own definition of miracles and miraculous gifts which you SAY is Paul's view. I don't see the rationale - see prev comment on Elijah and rain.

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Hello again!

Sorry I had to pull away earlier, but I was called out to do something.

Without beating a dead horse, as the phrase goes, we can see that we both are just spinning wheels in place here. Based on what you have shown me and the knowledge I contain from my own studies, I just cannot agree with your position that miracles happen to this day. You have not supplied any relevant verses that prove they exist nor can anyone say that praying for rain and receiving it is a miracles since rain is a natural happening. Rain is not out of the ordinary or against natural orders.

With that said I do agree that one can pray for rain, and pending if it is God's will, He could send it. This is not a miracle though. It is from a spiritual blessing we have if we are in Christ (Eph.1:3 example).

We are abundantly blessed by Him Acts 14:17; James 1:17. He hears and answers prayer James 5:16. When the revelation of truth was completed, and had been fully confirmed, the miraculous ceased, having accomplished its purpose. The purpose of the miraculous then was to reveal and to confirm the Word of God. There was a time limitation on the miraculous. Gifts such as tongues, prophecy and knowledge (miraculous) would cease, hence 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 with the completion of the revelation (John 20:30-31; Mark 16:20; Hebrews 2:3-4 examples). God's power has not ceased. His presence and glory are evident all around us. Which is why I say we are blessed, but no miracles occur that go out of the natural order of things. God sending rain after a prayer is considered a blessing as rain still follows a natural order of things regardless that God sent it from your prayer. A miracle would be if God sent the rain and it rain ONLY on the righteous and left out the unrighteous. However, this doesn't happen.

Being as that we are both hitting walls, I will make this my last reply. However, I will still read and consider any other reply you make after this. Pending on what I think or if I think I can improve the situation, I might reply back.

I thank you for your polite discussion with me, and pray you have a wonderful rest of the week.

Acts2:38 said:

Hello again!

Sorry I had to pull away earlier, but I was called out to do something.

Without beating a dead horse, as the phrase goes, we can see that we both are just spinning wheels in place here. Based on what you have shown me and the knowledge I contain from my own studies, I just cannot agree with your position that miracles happen to this day. You have not supplied any relevant verses that prove they exist nor can anyone say that praying for rain and receiving it is a miracles since rain is a natural happening. Rain is not out of the ordinary or against natural orders.

With that said I do agree that one can pray for rain, and pending if it is God's will, He could send it. This is not a miracle though. It is from a spiritual blessing we have if we are in Christ (Eph.1:3 example).

We are abundantly blessed by Him Acts 14:17; James 1:17. He hears and answers prayer James 5:16. When the revelation of truth was completed, and had been fully confirmed, the miraculous ceased, having accomplished its purpose. The purpose of the miraculous then was to reveal and to confirm the Word of God. There was a time limitation on the miraculous. Gifts such as tongues, prophecy and knowledge (miraculous) would cease, hence 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 with the completion of the revelation (John 20:30-31; Mark 16:20; Hebrews 2:3-4 examples). God's power has not ceased. His presence and glory are evident all around us. Which is why I say we are blessed, but no miracles occur that go out of the natural order of things. God sending rain after a prayer is considered a blessing as rain still follows a natural order of things regardless that God sent it from your prayer. A miracle would be if God sent the rain and it rain ONLY on the righteous and left out the unrighteous. However, this doesn't happen.

Being as that we are both hitting walls, I will make this my last reply. However, I will still read and consider any other reply you make after this. Pending on what I think or if I think I can improve the situation, I might reply back.

I thank you for your polite discussion with me, and pray you have a wonderful rest of the week.

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You make a lot of strange, uncompelling statements and then insist that the burden of proof is on everyone else. For example the words in bold constitute one of the most odd statements I've ever seen. You say that God sending rain is not a miracle unless it's a blessing only to the righteous? Where did Paul say THAT?

What's particularly bewildering is your apparent belief that these theological constructs are actually the words of Paul. By no means am I totally opposed to theological constructs (for example my own doctrine that conscience is authoritative is my own theological construct) but I need them to be reasonably well supported, fully coherent, and somewhat logically compelling. I don't see much of that in your constructs so far, although perhaps it's because I haven't read all your posts.

Acts2:38 said:

I just cannot agree with your position that miracles happen to this day. You have not supplied any relevant verses that prove they exist nor can anyone say that praying for rain and receiving it is a miracles since rain is a natural happening. Rain is not out of the ordinary or against natural orders.

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I am sorry that your God is so powerless. Mine isn't and as a result, miracles happen today.

I can say that if you pray for rain and it happens it is a miracle.

Acts2:38 said:

I never denied God had power to do anything. Quote me where I said this please. God many times in scripture demonstrated His power.

You are failing to see key verses in scripture.

Therefore, if God does not lie, and He is the sole creator and author of scripture, and scripture states that miracles will cease, then God will not go back on His word.

It is pretty much a common sense deduction here. By saying that these miraculous gifts still occur, you are saying that God is a liar, since God had "moved" Paul into writing 1 Cor 13.

First off, I never claimed to be a cessationaist.

You just cannot prove miraculous gifts are still in use. It is because they are not.

Please elaborate on this. I am puzzled how those are of "sheer arrogance".

Then you will have no trouble at all providing me with some sort of way to prove this happens to this day. Miracles, signs, and wonders were to confirm the word (Mark 16:20 for example).

Still waiting on you to give me anything other than "just trust me it happens".

My apologies, it was lost upon the heap of belittling statements. I do so sincerely apologize as it was not my intent to ignore that.

I love our Lord and Savior and wish to obey His word.

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One. You denied God's power by claiming miracles do not happen today.

Two. You are failing to see the meaning of key verses of scripture as all you do is put your natural spin on them.

Three. He never said they will cease when the Bible was formed.

Four. Nothing in scripture that says miracles cease when the Bible was approved. That is your spin.

Five. All your writing proves you are a cessationist. You don't have to say it.

Six. I have proved that miraculous gifts are still being used today. Your theological spin does not allow you to admit that.

Seven. I have proved it but in your blindness, you refuse to accept evidence. Unlike you, I don't believe that all Christians involved in the miraculous are liars.

Eight. It was your attempt to ignore it as I asked you more than once.

Nine. You don't wish to obey his word. You wish to obey your spin on his word.

Ten. Are you so dense that you can't see that one has only to read a dozen books about mission work and read about the miracles taking place? In your arrogance, you deny any of them happened because you didn't see them happen. I must have about a dozen of them and all contain reports of miracles. Are you saying all these authors are liars because that is what it sounds like?

Eleven. Your attitude seems to be that you haven't seen it so it doesnt happen. That is regularly used by atheists.

Twelve. You will do your self a favour to accept that your way is not necessarily the right way and probably millions of believers out there are seeing miracles happen all the time. Live and let live and you will save yourself a lot of angst trying to convince people that what they saw happen and/or experienced did not happen because the fact is no one believes you and all your supposedly spiritually correct eisegesis convinces no one.

I believe prophecy can still happen in today's churches. I believe it can be interpreted too. I have recently given a written prophecy to my pastor to give attention to or ignore. It was not easy for me to step out in this way. I prayed for a years to ask the Lord for the correct timing. With obedience, fear and trembling before the Lord, but not any human, is the manner in which it was given.
My ego is not wrapped up in what is done with it. I have not asked for any kind of response, nor do I plan to. The introduction, in my own words, stated when I received it. What I am saying is that it was all direct scripture from the Holy Bible, with no additions or subtractions.
I do sense that this is what modern prophecy should be: direct scripture references. No human words except, in the beginning, to express when and how it was received.

HandstoWorkHeartstoGod said:

I believe prophecy can still happen in today's churches. I believe it can be interpreted too.

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Not only that, I KNOW that prophecy still happens in today's churches.