REVELATION 12:1, A Sign in the Heavens

Ronald · Nov 1, 2017

There is no doubt in my mind that this Rev. 12:1 sign appeared during the birth of Jesus and so it was an historical sign. This recent occurrence on Sept. 23, 2017 also happened. It came an went. I too was led to believe that this sign was significant. A sign or warning from God does not mean something is going to happen on that day. But here it is, 39 days after this sign. A sign is a warning for how long? And then after a certain amount time, the significance of the warning lessens and becomes meaningless, unless it is not days or weeks but this generation that it is confirming for us? I don't know.
So far we've seen many tragedies: hurricanes, earthquakes, some 35 currently erupting volcanos, fires, and terrorism, but nothing too far out of the norm of natural disasters and these crazy times we are living in. A nuclear war is looming, but the Great Tribulation has not quite started, unless you live in an Arab country. Many of those Christians fleeing for their lives or getting their heads chopped off would say it has. So the Middle East is on fire and isn't this final GT supposed to be generated and centered around Israel?
When nations surround Israel and ignite a war, we might suspect that would be it, another sign.
Jesus said in Matt. 24:14 that "This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to ALL NATIONS and then the end will come." I think this is one of the key signs of His return and we have just recently accomplished this in the world -- every nation has been preached to.
My understanding was that 1948 started the clock ticking and this generation (70 years) would see all these things come to pass. So, if by at least the middle of 2018, nothing GREAT happens or at least starts to happen, then I will just retire my view and live out my years and not be so concerned about it (after 25 years of anticipation). I will admit that I misunderstood and misinterpreted these End Time prophecies and will leave it up to the rest of you to sort out. When it happens, it happens. There are so many views and I will soon contend that mine was wrong. Why mid- 2018? Because Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. And David describes one generation in Psalm 90:10 as 70 years -- unless you are strong, then 80. Either way, I'm good and happy I'm not in it -- who would want to be? I want what comes after.
I just can't see this world continuing on the path that it's on for much longer -- things are bad, our U.S. government (the greatest ever) is corrupt and we are divided in many ways and extremely in debt. These are stressful times and I do think we are in the beginning of birth pangs.
Jesus did not return in 70AD and this Great Tribulation could not be a description of what happened in Jerusalem, that is miniscule to something coming that will suffer the entire world.
God does have a plan to put an end to sin. He did not intend for man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. We cannot solve world hunger, create peace and live in harmony with sin in the world - we've tried and it's not working. Well, we did the best we could, accomplished much but still many suffer. The Holy Spirit has restrained evil since the beginning. The time is coming when the Restrainer will be taken out of the way and then we will see all hell break loose on earth - hopefully we'll be gone. But a New Millennial Kingdom sounds wonderful, Paradise reborn, with Jesus ruling and then we will experience peace as never before. For those who do not see a Millennial Kingdom coming, well I guess you have eternal life after death to look forward to.

imsaneru · Nov 2, 2017

Ronald said:
Why mid- 2018? Because Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. And David describes one generation in Psalm 90:10 as 70 years -- unless you are strong, then 80.

I feel you could be right. But for me I would take the 80yrs , only because its modern technology and modern medicine that is keeping us alive a lot longer , hence the (if you are strong) and today we are.

Truth7t7 · Nov 2, 2017

Ronald said:
There is no doubt in my mind that this Rev. 12:1 sign appeared during the birth of Jesus and so it was an historical sign. This recent occurrence on Sept. 23, 2017 also happened. It came an went. I too was led to believe that this sign was significant. A sign or warning from God does not mean something is going to happen on that day. But here it is, 39 days after this sign. A sign is a warning for how long? And then after a certain amount time, the significance of the warning lessens and becomes meaningless, unless it is not days or weeks but this generation that it is confirming for us? I don't know.
So far we've seen many tragedies: hurricanes, earthquakes, some 35 currently erupting volcanos, fires, and terrorism, but nothing too far out of the norm of natural disasters and these crazy times we are living in. A nuclear war is looming, but the Great Tribulation has not quite started, unless you live in an Arab country. Many of those Christians fleeing for their lives or getting their heads chopped off would say it has. So the Middle East is on fire and isn't this final GT supposed to be generated and centered around Israel?
When nations surround Israel and ignite a war, we might suspect that would be it, another sign.
Jesus said in Matt. 24:14 that "This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to ALL NATIONS and then the end will come." I think this is one of the key signs of His return and we have just recently accomplished this in the world -- every nation has been preached to.
My understanding was that 1948 started the clock ticking and this generation (70 years) would see all these things come to pass. So, if by at least the middle of 2018, nothing GREAT happens or at least starts to happen, then I will just retire my view and live out my years and not be so concerned about it (after 25 years of anticipation). I will admit that I misunderstood and misinterpreted these End Time prophecies and will leave it up to the rest of you to sort out. When it happens, it happens. There are so many views and I will soon contend that mine was wrong. Why mid- 2018? Because Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. And David describes one generation in Psalm 90:10 as 70 years -- unless you are strong, then 80. Either way, I'm good and happy I'm not in it -- who would want to be? I want what comes after.
I just can't see this world continuing on the path that it's on for much longer -- things are bad, our U.S. government (the greatest ever) is corrupt and we are divided in many ways and extremely in debt. These are stressful times and I do think we are in the beginning of birth pangs.
Jesus did not return in 70AD and this Great Tribulation could not be a description of what happened in Jerusalem, that is miniscule to something coming that will suffer the entire world.
God does have a plan to put an end to sin. He did not intend for man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. We cannot solve world hunger, create peace and live in harmony with sin in the world - we've tried and it's not working. Well, we did the best we could, accomplished much but still many suffer. The Holy Spirit has restrained evil since the beginning. The time is coming when the Restrainer will be taken out of the way and then we will see all hell break loose on earth - hopefully we'll be gone. But a New Millennial Kingdom sounds wonderful, Paradise reborn, with Jesus ruling and then we will experience peace as never before. For those who do not see a Millennial Kingdom coming, well I guess you have eternal life after death to look forward to.

Yes I Believe We are In The End time, Abortion At 60 Million A Year, Same Sex Marriage, The Gospel Has Been Preachecd.

I Believe Scripture Teaches That A Human Man/Antichrist Will Be Seen In Jerusalem, And Will Be A World Religious Leader To Bring Peace.

The Scripture Clearly Teaches That At The Return Of Jesus Christ, "Immediately After The Future Tribulation" Matt 24:29 It Will Be Fire Time, As The Heavens And Earth Are Dissolved. Mal 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Thess 1:7-8, Is 24:20, 2 Pet 3:10

Pretty Hard To Have A Earthly Millennium After this Takes place?

Truth7t7

Ronald · Nov 2, 2017

imsaneru said:
I feel you could be right. But for me I would take the 80yrs , only because its modern technology and modern medicine that is keeping us alive a lot longer , hence the (if you are strong) and today we are.

You would think since the average lifespan is around 78 or so. We'll see.

Ronald · Nov 2, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Yes I Believe We are In The End time, Abortion At 60 Million A Year, Same Sex Marriage, The Gospel Has Been Preachecd.

I Believe Scripture Teaches That A Human Man/Antichrist Will Be Seen In Jerusalem, And Will Be A World Religious Leader To Bring Peace.

The Scripture Clearly Teaches That At The Return Of Jesus Christ, "Immediately After The Future Tribulation" Matt 24:29 It Will Be Fire Time, As The Heavens And Earth Are Dissolved. Mal 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Thess 1:7-8, Is 24:20, 2 Pet 3:10

Pretty Hard To Have A Earthly Millennium After this Takes place?

Truth7t7

Actually the heavens and the earth melting in a fervent heat happens after the Millennial Kingdom. Then the first heaven and first earth pass away and the New Jerusalem is seen coming down from heaven.
2/3 of the population dies during the Great Tribulation and we inherit the earth, but it is not destroyed. 1/3 of it is on fire, possible asteroids, worldwide quake, super volcanic eruption's and nuclear war doesn't destroy the earth completely. Actually it says it takes seven months to bury all the bodies - that were up to a horses bridle stretched for 200 miles. That gives us an idea of the death toll. But of course, you are entitled to your view. Mine is beginning to crumble.

Another Lazarus · Nov 3, 2017

Ronald said:
These are stressful times and I do think we are in the beginning of birth pangs.

Dave Watchman · Nov 4, 2017

Ronald said:
There is no doubt in my mind that this Rev. 12:1 sign appeared during the birth of Jesus and so it was an historical sign. This recent occurrence on Sept. 23, 2017 also happened. It came an went. I too was led to believe that this sign was significant. A sign or warning from God does not mean something is going to happen on that day. But here it is, 39 days after this sign. A sign is a warning for how long? And then after a certain amount time, the significance of the warning lessens and becomes meaningless, unless it is not days or weeks but this generation that it is confirming for us? I don't know.

A sign is a warning for a year, the year of recompense. Or 420 days. Or 420 days minus seven sevens, 49 days, equaling the 371 days of Noah until the "darkened" sun. Or I don't know either.

Ronald said:
So far we've seen many tragedies: hurricanes, earthquakes, some 35 currently erupting volcanos, fires, and terrorism, but nothing too far out of the norm of natural disasters and these crazy times we are living in. A nuclear war is looming, but the Great Tribulation has not quite started, unless you live in an Arab country. Many of those Christians fleeing for their lives or getting their heads chopped off would say it has. So the Middle East is on fire and isn't this final GT supposed to be generated and centered around Israel?
When nations surround Israel and ignite a war, we might suspect that would be it, another sign.

I don't think so. That was a deal that could have happened if the old time Jews would have redeemed the 70 weeks. Now they are just holding up the Sign to restore and rebuild.

I think that the 42 months of Revelation 13 has began. There was a report claiming that Christian persecution has now reached a historical high. It matches with where I think the beast's authority has began.

"In China, church communities face increased hostility. Authorities in some provinces have removed crosses from some churches and destroyed church buildings. In some regions, Christmas trees and greeting cards have been banned.

"There are reports from North Korea of forced starvation of Christians and forced abortion. Some Christians have been hung on crosses over fire, and others have been crushed by steamrollers.

“In 12 of the 13 countries reviewed, the situation for Christians was worse in overall terms in the period 2015-17 than within the preceding two years,” said the report’s executive summary, released Oct. 12.

Modern horror: New report says global persecution of Christians is at a historic peak

Ronald said:
Jesus said in Matt. 24:14 that "This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to ALL NATIONS and then the end will come." I think this is one of the key signs of His return and we have just recently accomplished this in the world -- every nation has been preached to.

I don't think so. I think this is something that will happen during our end time, time of emergency. The 144,000 will fan out even to the most remote locations and languages and accomplish this with the help of two witnesses. I think that it's going to be an exciting time. People are going to know that the God of the Bible has come back when the trumpets begin to fall. When God's servants explain that Jesus' return is days away, repentance will be dramatic. There won't be any time to go home and "think about it".

Ronald said:
My understanding was that 1948 started the clock ticking and this generation (70 years) would see all these things come to pass. So, if by at least the middle of 2018, nothing GREAT happens or at least starts to happen, then I will just retire my view and live out my years and not be so concerned about it (after 25 years of anticipation). I will admit that I misunderstood and misinterpreted these End Time prophecies and will leave it up to the rest of you to sort out. When it happens, it happens. There are so many views and I will soon contend that mine was wrong. Why mid- 2018? Because Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. And David describes one generation in Psalm 90:10 as 70 years -- unless you are strong, then 80. Either way, I'm good and happy I'm not in it -- who would want to be? I want what comes after.

Mine goes a bit further, into January 2019. That's when the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it's light.

Ronald said:
I just can't see this world continuing on the path that it's on for much longer -- things are bad, our U.S. government (the greatest ever) is corrupt and we are divided in many ways and extremely in debt. These are stressful times and I do think we are in the beginning of birth pangs.

I'd agree.

Ronald said:
Jesus did not return in 70AD and this Great Tribulation could not be a description of what happened in Jerusalem, that is miniscule to something coming that will suffer the entire world.

I'd agree.

Ronald said:
God does have a plan to put an end to sin. He did not intend for man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. We cannot solve world hunger, create peace and live in harmony with sin in the world - we've tried and it's not working. Well, we did the best we could, accomplished much but still many suffer. The Holy Spirit has restrained evil since the beginning.

I think it was Jesus restraining God's wrath on the very day that Adam sinned.

Ronald said:
The time is coming when the Restrainer will be taken out of the way and then we will see all hell break loose on earth - hopefully we'll be gone. But a New Millennial Kingdom sounds wonderful, Paradise reborn, with Jesus ruling and then we will experience peace as never before. For those who do not see a Millennial Kingdom coming, well I guess you have eternal life after death to look forward to.

I think that our Restrainer was taken out of the way on June 26, 2015. That was the taking away of the daily. The man of sin had risen up to the place of HIS Sanctuary, to the Prince of the host. The man of sin had taken his seat in the temple of God and claimed to be God. This began the first watch of the night and God's wrath began in the form of abandonment. The wrath of abandonment: 1)God gave them up, 2)God gave them up, 3)God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

Ronald said:
But of course, you are entitled to your view. Mine is beginning to crumble.

Mine's got a ways to go yet. The thing that the Revelation 12 sign was doing was to point to the setting of the third and last watch of the night. Right now we are still in the second watch of the night. Here the torches are hidden inside of jars, the fire is still concealed. Next weekend is the Jupiter/Venus conjunction that marks the beginning of the third watch, that's when it's going to happen. The camp will be slaughtered until the heat of the day, the Son of man will be revealed. The setting of the third watch will begin a time span of 49 days that will run head first into the days of Noah by New Years Eve. This is the last of three segments of 420 days that span the time from the third moon of the terads in 2015, until a "darkened" sun in 2019. With there being exactly 1290 days from the Friday that the U.S.A. became the 21st nation to legalize same sex marriage, until the "darkened" sun, I doubt that this is coincidental.

Abomination of desolation? When?

Now, if none of this happens, my view will begin to crumble too. And there's nothing else on the horizon to see as signs. There were two modern decrees to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in 1535 and 1969. 62 and 7 weeks that run from 1535 until 2018. That's never going to happen again. The Jubilee calendar marked out seven sets of 70 weeks since the year of the Exodus in 1437 BC. 490 years times 7, or 3,430 years until 1994 when comet Shoemaker Levy 9 smacked into Jupiter 21 times. If the seven ugly cows are seven years, 21 impacts over 6 days add up to 2015 when the third moon of our tetrad marked out 1372 days until a "darkened' sun and a moon that will not give her light. These things are irreplaceable in time, they are never going to happen again. And there really is so much more to go into, it can seem overwhelming, from the specifications surrounding the Borisov comet C/2017 E1, to the August 21 eclipse marking out an X at the mean census point of the U.S.A.

The signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars have all been given. Distress of nations and men's hearts failing them for fear has to be up next. Lift up your heads.

From the day that Jupiter entered into Virgo's body, until the "darkened" sun is 777 days.

<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

Check out how Mars enters into the Virgin's body on the very day of the Jupiter/Venus conjunction. (The objects in this image are moving from the right to the left)

Conjunction of Venus and Jupiter

So from the 11/13 conjunction until the 'darkened' sun:

<---420---><---420---><---420--->

1260 days that end with a darkened sun and a moon that will not give her light.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
BEFORE the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

It looks like the night began after the third moon of the tetrad with the first watch, Lamentations 2:19 was the example, there's a mathematical connection to the "darkened" sun. (Let The Reader Understand). That was the time to watch and pray and lift up our hands to the Lord for the lives of our children. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days. They're starving at every street corner for a famine of the Word, so flee into the wilderness while the USA became the 21st nation to legalize same sex marriage. This law is now "standing" in a place where it ought not to be. Count exactly 1290 days from then until a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give it's light. I can't believe that could be a coincidence.

At the beginning of the middle watch, like Judges 7:16-20, we had just set that watch. The people are divided into three companies. The empty jars have torches put into them. The fire will be concealed until just like the day that Lot left out from Sodom. The jars are then smashed, signifying the sudden destruction that will occur on that day. As these jars are shattered beyond all hope of repair, so will the people be shattered beyond all hope of repair.

When the third and the last watch of the night begins, the people remain in three divisions. For then there will be great tribulation. The camp is slaughtered until the heat of the day, 1 Samuel 11:11. Those who survived were scattered, so that no two of them were left together. During this last watch of the night the LORD looked down from the pillar of fire, like Exodus 14:24, the Son of Man is revealed. Wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The great city is split into three parts, split into thirds. Not a third to be spared, total destruction. They will know that the Lord has spoken in His zeal.

Our appointed time of the end appears to be 1260 days in duration, split into three divisions of 420 days. The Revelation 12 sign appears to be pointing to the setting of the third and last watch of the night. After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, in mid November, it has a conjunction with Venus. That conjunction measures 420 days to a sun that will be "darkened" and a moon that will not give it's light. The two brightest planets in our visible sky will combine and serve to underscore Jupiter's presence in the heavens. The Son of Man is revealed.

"If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third, and finds them awake,
blessed are those servants!

Lift up your heads.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Ronald · Nov 5, 2017

Dave Watchman said:
A sign is a warning for a year, the year of recompense. Or 420 days. Or 420 days minus seven sevens, 49 days, equaling the 371 days of Noah until the "darkened" sun. Or I don't know either.

Good to know, that way the naysayers must give at least a year for all this to unfold -- if the Rev. 12:1 was meant for both the past and future to be a sign.

Dave Watchman said:
I think that the 42 months of Revelation 13 has began. There was a report claiming that Christian persecution has now reached a historical high. It matches with where I think the beast's authority has began.

"In China, church communities face increased hostility. Authorities in some provinces have removed crosses from some churches and destroyed church buildings. In some regions, Christmas trees and greeting cards have been banned.

"There are reports from North Korea of forced starvation of Christians and forced abortion. Some Christians have been hung on crosses over fire, and others have been crushed by steamrollers.

“In 12 of the 13 countries reviewed, the situation for Christians was worse in overall terms in the period 2015-17 than within the preceding two years,” said the report’s executive summary, released Oct. 12.

Persecution is increasing. I see the Middle East/N.Africa in a Great Tribulation, since the revolts took place starting in Dec. 2010 in Tunisia, then like dominos, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc. all within a few months. Then in 2014, ISIS bled over into Iraq and they started to spread rapidly.

Dave Watchman said:
I think that our Restrainer was taken out of the way on June 26, 2015. That was the taking away of the daily. The man of sin had risen up to the place of HIS Sanctuary, to the Prince of the host. The man of sin had taken his seat in the temple of God and claimed to be God. This began the first watch of the night and God's wrath began in the form of abandonment. The wrath of abandonment: 1)God gave them up, 2)God gave them up, 3)God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

I believe that this Gay Marriage law is the final straw that broke the camel's back. However, one great sin doesn't start the Great Tribulation. At least I don't see any one sin in scripture igniting it. Jesus said there will be many events culminating up to the point. We've had a generation of sin accumulating and so the countless sins have mounted high.
I think you are wrong about this. The Restrainer/ the Holy Spirit restrains evil and if evil was unrestrained, Hell would have broken loose at that time. Remember, the Holy Spirit dwells in our temple. Governments restrain evil, with laws, police, soldiers, etc. When the Church is gone, so will be the Holy Spirit, that is when Hell breaks loose and evil is unrestrained. That is when Satan will have control over the world and exercise his will unrestrained and the governments will not be able to control or resist His will. That is when he appoints a ten-nation government for a short period of time.

Dave Watchman said:
Mine's got a ways to go yet. The thing that the Revelation 12 sign was doing was to point to the setting of the third and last watch of the night. Right now we are still in the second watch of the night.

This is quite a different view than I've seen out there with these 420 day watches.
But you are entitled to your view.

Dave Watchman · Nov 5, 2017

Ronald said:
I believe that this Gay Marriage law is the final straw that broke the camel's back. However, one great sin doesn't start the Great Tribulation. At least I don't see any one sin in scripture igniting it.

Look again at how Luke 17 pulls the AofD out of Matthew 24. Same instructions, same repercussions. It puts the "days of Lot" before the orders to flee. Sin is sin to God, transgression of the law. It's just that this one really thumbs it's nose to God's righteous design. And it's the indicator, the biggie sign, like you say the last straw. Because of these the wrath of God is revealed from heaven.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Ronald said:
I think you are wrong about this. The Restrainer/ the Holy Spirit restrains evil and if evil was unrestrained, Hell would have broken loose at that time. Remember, the Holy Spirit dwells in our temple. Governments restrain evil, with laws, police, soldiers, etc. When the Church is gone, so will be the Holy Spirit, that is when Hell breaks loose and evil is unrestrained.

When Jesus steps out of the way, the wrath that was due on the day that Adam sinned begins to break out. Paul knew it. He was drawing from Daniel.

He will rise up to the prince of the Host.

The man of sin takes his seat in the Temple of God.

He will take away the daily by reason of transgression.

"Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.

By reason of transgression. The straw that broke the back. And the wrath of God is revealed from heaven. The Father gives the nod, and our High Priest in Heaven's Temple steps out of the way and the censer is cast down from Revelation 8. No more "daily" at the alter of incense.

"He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

This is not a good thing. God lets loose the wrath that has been due. They wanted the Devil, they'll get him.

Ronald said:
This is quite a different view than I've seen out there with these 420 day watches.
But you are entitled to your view.

Based on the Bible's use of thirds, it seems like God's signature.

"A third part of you shall die of pestilence and be consumed with famine in your midst;

"A third part shall fall by the sword all around you;

"A third part I will scatter to all the winds and will unsheathe the sword after them.

And they shall know that I the LORD have spoken it in my zeal

And then i find it. I was looking for 1335 split into thirds. But I found 420. From the conjunction until the darkened sun. And it's the last of three 420's when measured from the third moon of the tetrad. I haven't found this set up repeating as far as 2060.

I also found a couple of guys who have also considered this odd eschatology. The guy who did this video is my kind of guy.

It's just that if we don't keep our options open, we risk falling into that Pharisee trap. We might miss the signs of our visitation.

I think that the days are being shortened on the front end. I think we're in the 42 months of the Antichrist's authority right now. The composite beast has opened it's mouth to blaspheme God and his dwelling place. The two witnesses, the Bible and Holy Spirit, have been empowered. John IS measuring the Temple right now. So is Mathew, Mark, Luke and Paul. You will be my witnesses, to the ends of the earth. They're doing it through the Word that they've written down. And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached. And we are the Temple that's being measured up.

The outer court gentiles are the lost.

That's not talking about a rebuilt temple.

Dreadful sorry Clementine.

Ronald · Nov 5, 2017

Judgment is already here and as you claimed persecution is at it's height. Whether our views pan out the way we see them, may His will be done. It's getting crazy, so much terrorism every week, it's hard to keep up with the news. Years ago we had many months or years between incidents, now it's every other day. Today in Texas, 24 murdered in church. Just heard of a woman driving off the cliff in her car with her three children who knew nothing until they were falling. People are loosing it and yes Satan is busy. We need to hold unto our faith no matter what happens to us.

Handmaid for Jesus · Nov 6, 2017

Ronald said:
I just can't see this world continuing on the path that it's on for much longer -- things are bad, our U.S. government (the greatest ever) is corrupt and we are divided in many ways and extremely in debt. These are stressful times and I do think we are in the beginning of birth pangs.

I can't see it either.And yes we are in the birth pangs. The Earth is about to have it's full of sin. I don't stress, for Lord Jesus admonishes us to let not our hearts be troubled John 14:1. I think we can rest in Him even as He rested in the ship during the storm.
We can trust His word.

Alittlereality · Nov 6, 2017

Ronald · Nov 6, 2017

Alittlereality said:

What do you think that means. Flashes might be caused by solar flares, beyond that, manipulation of camera lens ???

Alittlereality · Nov 6, 2017

This phenomenon has also been captured by cameras at the south pole. Also at the south pole mystery light source illuminates the night. Also theyve captured green flashes from the sun. I think its all real.
Ive seen myself the sun skip quickly across the sky and back. Ive seen signs personally.

Dave Watchman · Nov 10, 2017

Dave Watchman said:
Our appointed time of the end appears to be 1260 days in duration, split into three divisions of 420 days. The Revelation 12 sign appears to be pointing to the setting of the third and last watch of the night. After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, in mid November, it has a conjunction with Venus. That conjunction measures 420 days to a sun that will be "darkened" and a moon that will not give it's light. The two brightest planets in our visible sky will combine and serve to underscore Jupiter's presence in the heavens. The Son of Man is revealed.

I was looking around and comparing the difference in days to the end of the three watches of the Torah, and the fourth watch of the Romans when I found something that I'd previously missed.

From the last moon of our tetrad, until this weekend's conjunction of Jupiter and Venus, there's 777 days.

And from the day that Jupiter entered the body of Virgo to begin the Revelation 12 sign, until the "darkened" sun, there's also 777 days.

Two sets of "777" days. Two witnesses carved out by the sun, and the moon, and the stars.

"This is the third time I am coming to you.
Every charge must be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.

"If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third, and finds them awake,
blessed are those servants!

These red lines around Virgo are the constellation boundaries drawn up by Eugène Joseph Delporte in 1930. I have to wonder if God influenced his decisions to draw the lines where he did.

This weekend Mars, the red planet, enters into the virgins body on the same day that Jupiter and Venus conjunct exactly on top of the constellation boundary line which Eugène drew in 1930.

Eugène also discovered and named asteroid 1221 Amor. This year on 12/21 Mars will cross Virgo's constellation boundary line in pursuit of Jupiter.

Peaceful Sabbath..

Dave Watchman · Dec 16, 2017

Dave Watchman said:
The setting of the third watch will begin a time span of 49 days that will run head first into the days of Noah by New Years Eve. This is the last of three segments of 420 days that span the time from the third moon of the terads in 2015, until a "darkened" sun in 2019.

So then a new guy, Teddy from Korea, starts this thread here about 12/31. He got himself and all of his other posts deleted. It might have been my reply that was too over the top to be tolerated. I don't know. Sorry Teddy.

And I don't get caught up in the doctrine. Some people think it's the rapture, some people think it's fire to fall from the sky. Where we are right now, it might be possible to get the timing right but not be sure about what event takes place. I wouldn't get wound up arguing the minutia of schematics at this point.

But I follow the lad back to his original forum site where there's a lawyer that writes articles for five doves saying the same thing about 12/31. And these guys are hyper inflated, I mean they are agitated and exited. But the weird thing is that we all arrived at the same location using different methods. The lawyer is using an alternative Pentecost count from the Revelation 12 sign, while Teddy is applying some type of numerology method and I am counting the "days of Noah" to the "darkened" sun.

So I even used a couple of posts from this forum as time stamps to show them at the other forum that I had already been considering this zone as a date of interest:

April 10, 2017:

Dave Watchman said:
It really is the last seven weeks of this year that I find as a zone of interest. This zone begins after Jupiter exits the body of Virgo and is then joined in a conjunction with Venus. The two brightest planets in our solar system pair up which can serve to underscore or to "reveal" Jupiter's presence in our visible sky. So I don't think that it's the sight of the conjunction itself that I would worry about seeing, but the number of days that it marks out measuring to new years day and then a solar eclipse a year latter.

September 16, 2017:

Dave Watchman said:
But Paul never gives the timing. How long will it be from them saying "peace and safety" until the "sudden destruction"? 3 days? or 3 months? If the 371 days of Noah turn out to be correct, the last week of December would be a fit. Imagine if it happened on Christmas Eve or New Years Eve. Most of the world is distracted at that time.

"For the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect

So then at the other forum a very good video was posted where another guy makes a case for 12/31. So this is now four guys who, using different methods, have zeroed in on 12/31 as a high watch time.

I'm not saying that I know anything. I do not know. No man can KNOW. But I see more than enough evidence to stay home this New Years Eve. I would not want to be hanging out at Times Square at that time.

Even seven days before at Christmas Eve. Could that be the seven day warning like Noah got before the flood? I still hope that if this is for real that we will get some sort of concrete heads up right before it is time.

Some people start watching this video, and then they shut it off. The first few minutes are taken from a NASA documentary about super moons. So they think it's blah blah blah and turn it off. But it's a bit interesting that the first NASA spokesman's name is "Noah", and the second one is "Sarah".

This is a very good video. He seems to have noticed something that was missed in the tetrads and a ratio in the celestial signs. Listen to how the author speaks during the last minutes. Focus in on the things he says in those last few minutes and you can look forward to it. The dude really abides.

Peaceful Sabbath.

seventysevens · Dec 16, 2017

Ronald said:
You would think since the average lifespan is around 78 or so. We'll see.

Medical science has shown that if a person makes all the correct life choices the average lifespan would be 100 years , but most people make many many poor choices - from what they eat , -smoke -excessive alcohol , lack of sleep , stressing out over many things , a rather long list which reduces the life that many people live

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 16, 2017

Dave Watchman said:
I'm not saying that I know anything. I do not know. No man can KNOW. But I see more than enough evidence to stay home this New Years Eve. I would not want to be hanging out at Times Square at that time.

I plan to be in church, as I am every New Years Eve.

. But wouldn't it be wonderful if our Lord comes while we worship? :clap:

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 16, 2017

seventysevens said:
Medical science has shown that if a person makes all the correct life choices the average lifespan would be 100 years , but most people make many many poor choices - from what they eat , -smoke -excessive alcohol , lack of sleep , stressing out over many things , a rather long list which reduces the life that many people live

Not to mention what governments and evil men do to pollute the Earth, Chem trails, poisonous dumping in our rivers, oceans and streams,toxins in the food supply, and deforestation making the environment not conducive to life and health.

Dave Watchman · Dec 16, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I plan to be in church, as I am every New Years Eve. . But wouldn't it be wonderful if our Lord comes while we worship?

Yes that would be beautiful HM.

And I was just talking about not being able to figure out if the seven days before would be on 12/24 or 12/31. It depends on if the days of Noah were 364.5 or 371.

But what I was saying about the 3 Hebrew OT watches of the night. If we were to overlay the four Roman watches on top of them, the Roman fourth watch would begin a bit after the setting of the Hebrew third watch. The Roman fourth watch was the one where Jesus came to His disciples at night walking on water as they were having their tribulation on the rough seas.

That would be a cool heads up seven days before. A strange earthquake and then the first of seven thunders. Gods people can hear the message, everyone else just said that it had thundered. My sheep hear my voice.

“Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.”

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