What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

SBC · Nov 1, 2017

mark kennedy said:
I don't know about heretical but I believe in a mid-tribulation rapture. I believe that the lake of fire literally destroys both the body and soul (annialationism). I think Song of Solomon is an historical narrative.

I believe in a pre-trib rapture for those already saved and born again.

I also believe in another rapture - near the fifth / six seal, for those who rejected the mark, were ministered (via, 144,000) to, came into submission to Christ and will be killed, and their soul go to heaven.

God Bless,
SBC

Marvin Knox · Nov 1, 2017

I believe that the Lord meant it quite literally when He told us that John the Baptist had been Elijah.

Some would call what Jesus said and I believe "heretical" because it seems to smack of reincarnation. But it is not reincarnation because Elijah never died physically before returning, ministering and dying as John the Baptist.

It is mysterious for sure as to how this could be. It fosters many questions about how and when we become who we are. It perhaps even makes some think of the Mormon teaching about our spirits preexisting in the presence of God and being assign bodies in time.

If a person doesn't take the Lord's words as truth - then they must wrestle with how a supposedly "spiritually dead" John could have recognized his Lord while still in the womb.

But Jesus labeled John the greatest of all those those born of woman. That alone tells us that there was something very special indeed about John. He was, IMO, the only man (besides the Lord Himself) who was "born" spiritually alive.

Be that as it may - is not a "heretical" teaching to take the Lord's words literally nor is to reject them as literal truth.

Jesus said that if we could accept it then it was true. I can and some can't.

He obviously meant to tell us that those who could not receive His teaching in this case were not to be judged as "heretical" as it was an understandable stumbling block.

PloverWing · Nov 1, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

If we define "heresy" to be dissent from the affirmations of the first seven (or so) ecumenical councils, then I don't think I have any significant disagreements with the theological statements of these councils. I do, however, have two areas of discomfort that come to mind:

1) I often don't think in the same philosophical categories that were used by the ancient theologians. Words like "substance", "essence", "nature", and (in its technical theological usage) "person" don't have much intuitive meaning for me, if I'm being honest; I don't use these words outside the theology classroom. The result is that, while I respect the work of church fathers, I don't always truly know what they were trying to say. I wish, for example, I could talk to them about their formulation of the Trinity and ask "Could you explain that again, this time without using the words 'substance' or 'person'?"

2) I'm uncomfortable with the church's treatment of those who were determined to be heretics. I agree that the Arians and Nestorians were wrong, for example, but I wouldn't have expelled them from the church for that. The Monophysite controversy is one good case to consider; I think a schism could have been avoided there if everyone involved had been more willing to continue talking and listening and trying to understand the others' points of view.

Anguspure · Nov 1, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

Let's share them and examine them...

Comments...?

God Bless!

The elephant in the room of "heresy" is the idea that we must divide the body of Christ when people openly hold to different ideas.
Heresy implies division and it is the one who divides that is the heretic, not necessarily the one who is thinking a bit differently.

1stcenturylady · Nov 1, 2017

christianforumsuser said:
But there's some other very important verses you need to learn and believe for context
Those people are carnal people who like worldly things and sin and pointing fingers as if they're holy even apart from Scipture.
But all of you need to hear some other things

Okay, I've gone back to this response of yours I assume was to me. So if you would look up those other scriptures you alluded to and let's discuss them. I certainly know more than the epistle of John. LOL

I would also like to give you another website you can copy and paste from for verses. Put it in you favorites for easy access.

www.biblegateway.com

christianforumsuser · Nov 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Okay, I've gone back to this response of yours I assume was to me. So if you would look up those other scriptures you alluded to and let's discuss them. I certainly know more than the epistle of John. LOL

I would also like to give you another website you can copy and paste from for verses. Put it in you favorites for easy access.

www.biblegateway.com

I've used that website and also bought an NKJV app for Android. I also have some hard copy Bibles and PDF. Using a laptop currently, might remain on forum for a while who knows

christianforumsuser · Nov 1, 2017

They hold strong to their culture and tradition...their thoughts. When they're unable to admit someone else is right where they're wrong...The problem is how many excuses and blame passing...at what point does a person doubt what he's in...or in him or hold so stubborn and strong to it but not check...
Or even if he's cornered and Scripture is so clear yet still a man holds as hard as Pharaoh...bringing plagues

People should forsake their worldly values and seek the Bible. Just like the young man Jesus spoke to who had great riches but also wanted Heaven...

If someone wants to test if someone is a heretic..or even be one to be so careful to check himself...whether alone or when confronted and accused...
Were you aware that Jesus helped the woman caught in adultery and asked who was without sin among them...
But clearly His people were also said to be without sin...in the heart...spiritually...having the Holy Spirit
Of course it's good to follow the Law by God's strength and confess wrongs
But washing the outside only benefits the outside
It's not that I or the Word want people to suffer needlessly. Rather the contrary but they say "I have money and status...I like pointing fingers"

Clearly I've been a weak lacking man, wicked and get upset at times. Then only by God I have something to boast of. But if I only boast in flesh what a miserable end shall there be
Now you might know I'm arrogant and weak, even only as the Bible says. But I don't have to bow to arrogance and ideals of a cult of the world. It's a kind gesture and free gift, or isn't it the baseline to be kind. So another question of culture comes up that who is the visitor and who's culture rules the house

In other words by God's grace they're still alive and have what they have. If they speak with authority of a king...of course I might comply. Yet there should be some respect and logic...not just do filthy things with criminal because it's polite to give in to peer pressure. Why not ask and do good...and check
German SS did some bad stuff

1stcenturylady · Nov 1, 2017

Anguspure said:
The elephant in the room of "heresy" is the idea that we must divide the body of Christ when people openly hold to different ideas.
Heresy implies division and it is the one who divides that is the heretic, not necessarily the one who is thinking a bit differently.

What I have found is that there is only one author to the Bible and that is God. However, there have been many "teachers" of that Bible, actually creating different denominations, that many follow rather than asking God what HE means. It was the same in the first century.

1 Corinthians 1:11-13 (NKJV)
11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

The same can be said today. "I am of John Calvin." "I am of Jacob Arminius." "I am of Ellen G. White." "I am of Pope so and so." "I am of John Wesley."

Because of the confusion that comes to listening to so many voices, a few years ago I prayed that God show me the true meaning of His Word. That is all I care about. Many times I find myself standing alone, only to find out later that another has come to the same belief. I would rather be of the few chosen, than the many called. I implore all of you to do the same. Become a God seeker, not a denominationalist.

christianforumsuser · Nov 1, 2017

But not at the expense of conforming to the world...knowingly or unknowingly
As if acting like a worldly king and the time and deeds of the flesh is much in comparison to what the Bible ACTUALLY says
Now of course I'm not saying that without very specific context am I
Just don't omit or add to Scriptures...and seek what it says

But far too many times someone faces the loss of his worldly gains because he's accused of cheating and he doesn't turn to the truth but hides
How is such fitting for the Kingdom
Maybe in a kingdom of lies...but they must not be reading the same Bible
If they played fair and humble...spiritually minded...they would have God

mark kennedy · Nov 1, 2017

SBC said:
I believe in a pre-trib rapture for those already saved and born again.

I also believe in another rapture - near the fifth / six seal, for those who rejected the mark, were ministered (via, 144,000) to, came into submission to Christ and will be killed, and their soul go to heaven.

God Bless,
SBC

What I'm getting from the Olivete discourse and the Revelation is it's sometime after the abomination that cause desolation, following the trumpets but before the vials of wrath.

SBC · Nov 1, 2017

mark kennedy said:
What I'm getting from the Olivete discourse and the Revelation is it's sometime after the abomination that cause desolation, following the trumpets but before the vials of wrath.

I know there are different views and understandings.
However I would say, the paramount understanding would be, be prepared, for what one does know will happen, but not when. Sounds like you are prepared, and thus you have that comfort, many do not.

God Bless,
SBC

Devin P · Nov 1, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

Let's share them and examine them...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Oh boy, how much time you got?

No, but really. Here's a few.

That Christians are to observe God's Law because we're saved, not to be saved, and that by doing this, we are a light to the world. If simply loving was to be our light, we'd be getting demolished by JW's, Mormons, etc. This would include the food laws, the 7th day sabbath, etc. (don't get it confused with the "613" that we cannot possibly follow today considering most of those laws were given to people in a time, place, and period we cannot observe. (many instructions were given specifically to levites, or levitical priests that were of the sons of Aaron, or kings, or slaves, or slave owners, or wives, or children, or farmers, etc. of which most of us aren't, so really only 150-200 apply to us)

That Catholicism has torn the way we are to worship the Messiah to shreds since after the death of the biblical apostles. Honestly, that it is a large part of why we worship on sunday, and why we observe pagan holidays today, and why so many deny the diety of Jesus (priests and popes).

That Christmas is pagan, Easter, Halloween, etc, and shouldn't be observed - but that instead, we are to observe the 7 moadim that God gave us.

That giants existed, and are proof that darwinism is false, and proof the bible is real.

Also, that the book of Enoch, and Jasher (which the bible references and quotes) are completely scriptural and should be read even still today. Especially considering they give us valuable information regarding this the end of times, and the last of days.

I believe that most reject looking into these things for themselves, and just listen to their pastors, or churches, instead of looking into them for themselves.

mark kennedy · Nov 1, 2017

SBC said:
I know there are different views and understandings.
However I would say, the paramount understanding would be, be prepared, for what one does know will happen, but not when. Sounds like you are prepared, and thus you have that comfort, many do not.

God Bless,
SBC

I certainly agree with that, whether it is morning, noon or night we should be ready when he comes.

stuart lawrence · Nov 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
When I say 1 John 1:8 is NOT about a true Christian, I've been called a heretic.

QUOTE]
I don't think you are a heretic, just misguided

1stcenturylady · Nov 1, 2017

Hey stuart. Where is the emoji with a tongue sticking out???

(My last cat has died, so I want to start planning a trip over there to see my cousin in London. How many hours away are you.)

stuart lawrence · Nov 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Hey stuart. Where is the emoji with a tongue sticking out???

(My last cat has died, so I want to start planning a trip over there to see my cousin in London. How many hours away are you.)

I'm sorry to hear about your cat, but it will be nice for you to see your cousin wont it.
How many hours am I from London?

stuart lawrence · Nov 1, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

Let's share them and examine them...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Well I have a belief considered heretical by some on the internet, and that's putting it mildly!! But thankfully the average pew sitter is not of the same ilk as it were

christianforumsuser · Nov 1, 2017

Quote box isn't showing up. In reference to that 1 John thing someone said...stuart lawrence

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
God is good and gives.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
People challenged even Jesus accusing Him of bring demon possessed. The Pharisees were liars and murderers. (Not saying Paul was not formerly such)

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Just before this verse 7 says something.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
As the next verse tells a man lest he claim to have never sinned...so clearly man has sin to confess.
There is the passing on of sin to Jesus Christ people debate on while refusing to hear the clear answer.

1stcenturylady · Nov 1, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
I'm sorry to hear about your cat, but it will be nice for you to see your cousin wont it.
How many hours am I from London?

Yes, I see your house on google earth, but there are not scales to measure.

stuart lawrence · Nov 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Yes, I see your house on google earth, but there are not scales to measure.

By train I guess about an hour and a half. Why? You're not going to suggest we meet, with a bible tucked under your arm are you, ready to evangalise

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