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Was/is YHWH omniscient (all-knowing, from beginning to end)?
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For those that believe God created the universe—space & time—then from our perspective, he was incapable of learning, since learning requires the passage of time, therefore he must know everything.
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Well, he seems to act much like a man going crazy out of Love over an adulturating/constantly cheating, rebellious, partying woman/female sometimes, that doesn't even love you, while your slaving away working your butt off for both of your future security trying to stay with her and work it out and be loyal to her...
The only way He could be omniscient that I can think of, if is he was purposefully trying to show us the steps involved in this (mentioned above) or purposely trying to show us everything that "wouldn't work" for us to learn from, that is the only way I see that he could be fully omniscient...
I wonder if their are President's or kings or leaders of nations/countries that have felt "married" to the people in it sometimes...?
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Hrm, what I said didn't come out right. Some people might have trouble accepting that God created time, which is why I said "For those that believe God created the universe—space & time," however he did create time, he definitely created the universe, and he is definitely fully omniscient according to Scripture. (I don't understand what you mean in your second paragraph.)
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I think that only the Father alone, was the only fully omniscient, in the beginning and middle of our existence with The Son as YHWH, our God also, who was only partially omniscient, that is until his death, resurrection and ascension back to where he came from, (where the Father is) I believe it is only then, that the Son/YHWH was let in on the rest of the "plan" and then became fully omniscient at that point... Unless, Unless they were purposely showing us the ways that wouldn't work in dealing with the sin problem...
Could you tell me what you didn't understand in the second paragraph?
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If you're saying, God is incredibly in love with us, then I agree. But "slaving away," "your [His] future security," and trying to "be loyal" aren't attributes of God. It's like saying we're trying to be human.
What kind of steps? What are you referring to with this? What sort of everythings are you referring to?
Frequently.
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No comments needed. If He was YHWH from the beginning, then God knew ALL things from the beginning.
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Slaving away at trying to build an "everlasting" Kingdom (future security)(nation) on earth, that would shepherd/rule/lead/have in subjection the other nations, with Israel (Jews/Hebrews) in the OT, the Church (those who are Jews/Israelites in their "hearts") in the NT, his "wife" or bride, that is unfaithful, uncommitted, while he remains faithful and committed...
The "steps" involved in attempts to build an everlasting kingdom/nation on earth, which requires dealing with the sin problem, everything that wouldn't work, or fail in attempting to that, either YHWH was a lot like a man, and didn't know these attempts would fail, and had all the emotions (emotional roller coaster ride, and emotional actions/reactions) involved in this...
Or, he did know these methods would all fail, but, had to "show" us the attempts and the failure associated with these methods on purpose, for a purpose, maybe to perhaps "set things up" for the arrival of Christ, by showing us what wouldn't work, setting things up/preparing the world like a table for the arrival of Christ as our only hope, so that we would all look to Christ for these answers perhaps...?
Me too...
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Can you/do you understand and can you explain "how" this is so?, because at first and even second or third glance(s) , it almost seems that the God, YHWH of the OT didn't maybe...?
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God doesn't attempt to do things. He either does them or doesn't do them. Any "attempting" by God is something that depends on people's choices. There is a sense in which God "set things up" and a sense he did not. He wanted to reveal his glory and prepared people ahead of time to appreciate it. But he doesn't set us up so we can fail. He only sets us up to succeed—if we do what he said, but then we don't. We make choices consistent with rejecting him as our God when he is in fact our God. It is a form of denial of the truth, which one should not expect good consequences from. He hasn't and doesn't infringe on anyone's free will for any reason, including to "show" or teach us something or reveal his glory.
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BY DEFINITION the LORD God Almighty -- YHWH Elohim -- knows all things, sees all things, and holds all things in His hands through His almighty power. Period.
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So, are you saying that by our choices, it could go either, or one of two ways? If so, does, or did he (God of the OT, YHWH, who I believe to be THE, not "a" Son of God) already fully know the outcome as to what we would choose, or not? He "set it up" for us to make a "choice" correct, does, or did he know ahead of time what we would already choose? If so, how can we really have a choice?
Yes, and I'm proposing that "if" the God of the OT was/is completely omniscient knew everything, every outcome of every supposed choice we would make from the beginning, leading up to Christ, then, he "set everything up", "set" us all up, to point and lead us up to Christ and what he did, which was, finally, to offer us a "real" choice, from that point onward, that maybe we would have to make at a crucial "tipping point" in the future... For a kingdom or nation, or perhaps, in an individuals life, having a plan for both possible outcomes... (Perhaps, Heaven or Hell, on an individuals basis, perhaps...?) (Or, to continue to prosper, or be destroyed, for a kingdom or nation, perhaps...?) This is the only option I can see if he (God of the OT) was "fully" omniscient...
I Believe that "if" he was fully omniscient (see above) and our "real" choices are very limited, and he, knowing full well ahead of time, what we would do already, especially in the OT, that he used that time to show us, by doing signs, miracles, wonders, and many mighty impossible acts, that are only possible for a "true" "real" God, his glory, might, majesty and power, so that, we might believe him, and believe in him... So, maybe his purpose in creating everything in the first place was for this purpose, maybe...?
And, to show us his "heart" and "soul" and "spirit"... that is, their emotions, their feelings, their passion, their soul, that is, their love, also, their mind, their will, their plan...)
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The many attributes / character traits / nature of the TRI-UNE GOD which are found in the Bible and spirit-led writings!
1. Existent
2. Unified
3. Simple...Holy...Righteous...perfectly Good
4. Infinite
5. Eternal
6. Unchanging and unchangeable CHARACTER + attributes
7. All Present (spiritually available)
8. All Sovereign (supreme rule over all)
9. All Knowing (omniscience)
10. All powerful (omnipotence)
11. Perfectly JUST
12. Perfectly LOVING / Merciful
13. Perfectly TRUE / Truthful
14. Perfectly FREE
15. Perfectly separate and pure
A1: SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE: "omniscient" ~= all-supremely KNOWING / WISE
Job 12:13...“With Him are wisdom and might; To Him belong counsel and understanding.
Ecclesiastes 2:26...For to a person who is good in His sight He has given wisdom and knowledge and joy,"...
Daniel 2:20...“Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, For wisdom and power belong to Him...."
1 Chronicles 29:11...Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty,indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O LORD, and You exalt Yourself as head over all.
Luke 2:40...The Child (Jesus) continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace (Spirit) of God was upon Him.
Romans 11:33...Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
1 Corinthians 1:24..."Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God..."
1 Corinthians 2:7...but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
1 Samuel 2:3...“ Boast no more so very proudly, Do not let arrogance come out of your mouth;
For the LORD is a God of knowledge, And with Him actions are weighed. (judged)..."
Genesis 3:5...For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE God, knowing good and evil.”
Psalm 44:21...Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.
Luke 16:15...And He (Jesus) said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.
1 John 3:20..."in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things...."
1 Chronicles 28:9...David to Soloman: The choice of "free will"
...for the Lord searches ALL hearts (spirits),
and understands EVERY intent of the thoughts (souls).
If you seek Him, He will let you find Him;
but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.
1. Existent
2. Unified
3. Simple...Holy...Righteous...perfectly Good
4. Infinite
5. Eternal
6. Unchanging and unchangeable CHARACTER + attributes
7. All Present (spiritually available)
8. All Sovereign (supreme rule over all)
9. All Knowing (omniscience)
10. All powerful (omnipotence)
11. Perfectly JUST
12. Perfectly LOVING / Merciful
13. Perfectly TRUE / Truthful
14. Perfectly FREE
15. Perfectly separate and pure
A1: SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE: "omniscient" ~= all-supremely KNOWING / WISE
Job 12:13...“With Him are wisdom and might; To Him belong counsel and understanding.
Ecclesiastes 2:26...For to a person who is good in His sight He has given wisdom and knowledge and joy,"...
Daniel 2:20...“Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, For wisdom and power belong to Him...."
1 Chronicles 29:11...Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty,indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O LORD, and You exalt Yourself as head over all.
Luke 2:40...The Child (Jesus) continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace (Spirit) of God was upon Him.
Romans 11:33...Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
1 Corinthians 1:24..."Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God..."
1 Corinthians 2:7...but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
1 Samuel 2:3...“ Boast no more so very proudly, Do not let arrogance come out of your mouth;
For the LORD is a God of knowledge, And with Him actions are weighed. (judged)..."
Genesis 3:5...For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE God, knowing good and evil.”
Psalm 44:21...Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.
Luke 16:15...And He (Jesus) said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.
1 John 3:20..."in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things...."
1 Chronicles 28:9...David to Soloman: The choice of "free will"
...for the Lord searches ALL hearts (spirits),
and understands EVERY intent of the thoughts (souls).
If you seek Him, He will let you find Him;
but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.
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Cause there seems to maybe be some problems with it/that, (full omniscience)...?
Wondering if it is exclusive to the true Father God, or what...?
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What problems?
God is omniscient. That's standard, orthodox Christian theology.
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