Is lying a sin?

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Neal of Zebulun

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Jacob lied to Isaac twice, by claiming that he was his twin brother Esau, in order to receive the birthright blessing in Genesis 27:19-24.

He did this under the instruction of his mother Rebecca in Genesis 27:6-13,

who in turn was acting in accordance with the revelation from יהוה in Genesis 25:21-26,

concerning which a covenant was made between the twins in Genesis 25:29-34, where Hebrews 12:16-17 and Romans 9:10-16 are second and third witnesses.

Jacob later became the man known as Israel, the progenitor of not only יהוה's chosen people, but Christ Himself. So securing the birthright was really important.

Did Jacob or Rebecca sin by lying?

Is lying a sin generally?


I do not at this moment have the perfect answer. So please discuss and enlighten us!
 
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Lying is a sin, but in the case you mentioned, as always, God will end up using all things for His good. We are fallen, imperfect, and there are no examples except Christ of any in the Bible who are perfect. (God’s ability to work all for good does not excuse our culpability. If things work out well when God uses our brokenness, how much greater would it have been had He used our unrealized wholeness?) sin is sin (Jacob’s lies) and the loss is real, but God’s purpose (having Jacob the progenitor of a great nation) will not be denied.

At least that is how I have understood it, but what do I know?
 
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Yes, lying is sinful--usually.

Obviously there are cases where telling the truth would also be sinful, and lying would be the moral thing to do. Context matters. Lying to save a life is the right thing to do, and telling the truth leading to a person's death would be the wrong thing to do.

Though in the case here with Jacob and Isaac, yes Jacob did sin by lying.
In the case of Rahab, she did the right thing when she lied--she lied to protect life.

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Lying is sinful but bearing false witness, I think, is the worst form of lying. Crafting lies and slander to manipulate a person and bring them down is explicitly condemned.

But if you think a about lying by omission, it isn't your job to ensure that your accuser is 100% on the same page as you. It's not your job to clarify everything that's going on in your mind so that your accuser may know how to deceive you better. If that makes s3nse.

My question is, if a person recieves insight given by the Spirit so that they can realize how to navigate traps set by a lying enemy, doesn't God allow that person to outwit that enemy, through use of language (fibbing, sttetching the trueth, lying by omission)
 
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You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. Ephesians 4:22-25

Everyone lies to their neighbor; they flatter with their lips but harbor deception in their hearts.
Psalm 12:2

“Blessed are those who wash their robes that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Rev 22:14-15
 
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Jacob's story is full of 'trickery' which kind of looks a lot like lying and cheating. He tricks his brother, lies to his father, is tricked into marrying Leah, tricks Laban (his father-in-law) with the speckled goats con and then Rachel steals the family idols and lies about menstruating. It is all very questionable but I suppose it is also all a sort of divine drama. I suppose it is comforting to know that God uses the broken and imperfect.
It is my opinion that we should do our best not to lie for gain. Lying or omitting truth (little white lies?) in order to spare someone's feelings is maybe okay for a Christian so long as it's not encouraging and enabling sinful behaviour?
 
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Lying is a sin, but in the case you mentioned, as always, God will end up using all things for His good. We are fallen, imperfect, and there are no examples except Christ of any in the Bible who are perfect. (God’s ability to work all for good does not excuse our culpability. If things work out well when God uses our brokenness, how much greater would it have been had He used our unrealized wholeness?) sin is sin (Jacob’s lies) and the loss is real, but God’s purpose (having Jacob the progenitor of a great nation) will not be denied.

At least that is how I have understood it, but what do I know?
I think the Bible's antipathy to lying is clear. The Lord Jesus Himself is the Truth (John 14.6).

The question is responsibility and attribution, also, I think; and so when a lawyer says: 'My client instructs me to say he didn't do it', the lawyer is not lying.
 
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I find the one story of Jesus very difficult to understand.
His disciples were urging him to go to the festival or feast or whatever and he said "no, it is not my time".
But immediately after the disciples left, he secretly went to the festival anyway.
So whats up with that?
 
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I find the one story of Jesus very difficult to understand.
His disciples were urging him to go to the festival or feast or whatever and he said "no, it is not my time".
But immediately after the disciples left, he secretly went to the festival anyway.
So whats up with that?

Good question.

First I want assert that He was not lying:

John 7:
8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.

I have seen some translations remove the underlined "yet" to make it read like Christ lied. The word is in the Greek, and He did go after they left.

But the text is also clear that He said this so He could go in secret (John 7:10.) In other words, He spoke deceptively.

Here's an interesting quote from Paul:

2 Corinthians 6:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God..​

8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;​

I encourage you to check the context of 2 Corinthians 6, and read multiple translations. I think you'll find that multiple versions add a word or two to make it sound less like what Paul seems to actually be saying.

Those are my thoughts on the matter. I hope that helps!

Praise Yahweh
 
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