Should Christians Walk in the God's Ways?

Should Christians walk in God's Ways?

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God straightforwardly reveals His will through His commands and His commands divide between what is good and evil and instruct us how to overcome evil with good. In 1 Corinthians 4:20, I think Paul was contrasting talk with action, in other words, the Kingdom of God has the power to produce good works, and grace is the power of God to overcome sin. God's commands also teach us how to love. It is important to keep in mind that "the righteous shall live by faith" is a principle found in the OT (Habakkuk 2:4) and every example of people in the OT having saving faith listed in Hebrews 11 is also an example of someone submitting to God's will, so I don't see you as saying anything contrary to what I've said or showing that walking in God's ways is different from how the verses I listed define it.

Scripture is good that way, it lets people on different pathways and ministries see what they need to keep moving forward towards maturity.

Sometimes there's a conflict between those of the prodigal son mind set and the elder son mindset, but in length all develop the heart of the Father.

It is good to see you too. :)
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Scripture is good that way, it lets people on different pathways and ministries see what they need to keep moving forward towards maturity.

Sometimes there's a conflict between those of the prodigal son mind set and the elder son mindset, but in length all develop the heart of the Father.


Likewise.

Do you agree that in the verses that I listed that walking in God's ways refers to obeying the Mosaic Law?
 
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Do you agree that in the verses that I listed that walking in God's ways refers to obeying the Mosaic Law?
Not for me they don't. However, if you choose to observe the law, then it applies to you that way. That's what it means to be "under the law" it's a choice. This is contrasted in the same verse with being directed by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Not for me they don't.

Will you please explain why you think that these verses don't describe God's ways as what He commanded to Moses?:

Joshua 22:5 Only be very careful to observe the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways and to keep his commandments and to cling to him and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

1 Kings 2:1-3 When David's time to die drew near, he commanded Solomon his son, saying, 2 “I am about to go the way of all the earth. Be strong, and show yourself a man, 3 and keep the charge of the Lord your God, walking in his ways and keeping his statutes, his commandments, his rules, and his testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn,

Psalms 103:1-8 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless his holy name! 2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits, 3 who forgives all your iniquity, who heals all your diseases, 4 who redeems your life from the pit, who crowns you with steadfast love and mercy, 5 who satisfies you with good so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's. 6 The Lord works righteousness and justice for all who are oppressed. 7 He made known his ways to Moses, his acts to the people of Israel. 8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.

However, if you choose to observe the law, then it applies to you that way. That's what it means to be "under the law" it's a choice.

God's Law reveals His righteous standard and God would have had no just grounds by which to judge Sodom and Gomorrah if they were not under His Law and obligated to live according to His righteous standard. We are told in 1 John 3:4-10 that sin is defined as the transgression of the Law, that we are not to continue to practice sin, and that anyone who does not practice righteousness is not a child of God, so this is not optional for children of God.

This is contrasted in the same verse with being directed by the Holy Spirit.

Do you believe that the Father is in disagreement with the Holy Spirit about what conduct we should have? Was the Father acting against the Holy Spirit and commanding the Israelites to act against the Spirit when He gave the Law to Moses? Rather, everything listed in Galatians 5:19-23 as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against against the Law, while everything listed as fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with the Law, and in fact the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and that he served with with His mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive and that he served with his flesh, and in Romans 8:2, the Spirit sets us free from the law of sin and death, not from God's Law. In Romans 8:4-7, it says that it is the mind that is set on the flesh that refuses to submit to God's Law in contrast with walking in the Spirit.
 
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Will you please explain why you think that these verses don't describe God's ways as what He commanded to Moses:

Joshua 22:5 Only be very careful to observe the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways and to keep his commandments and to cling to him and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

1 Kings 2:1-3 When David's time to die drew near, he commanded Solomon his son, saying, 2 “I am about to go the way of all the earth. Be strong, and show yourself a man, 3 and keep the charge of the Lord your God, walking in his ways and keeping his statutes, his commandments, his rules, and his testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn,

Psalms 103:1-8 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless his holy name! 2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits, 3 who forgives all your iniquity, who heals all your diseases, 4 who redeems your life from the pit, who crowns you with steadfast love and mercy, 5 who satisfies you with good so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's. 6 The Lord works righteousness and justice for all who are oppressed. 7 He made known his ways to Moses, his acts to the people of Israel. 8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.



God's Law reveals His righteous standard and God would have had no just grounds by which to judge Sodom and Gomorrah if they were not under His Law and obligated to live according to His righteous standard. We are told in 1 John 3:4-10 that sin is defined as the transgression of the Law, that we are not to continue to practice sin, and that anyone who does not practice righteousness is not a child of God, so this is not optional for children of God.



Do you believe that the Father is in disagreement with the Holy Spirit about what conduct we should have? Was the Father acting against the Holy Spirit and commanding the Israelites to act against the Spirit when He gave the Law to Moses? Rather, everything listed in Galatians 5:19-23 as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against against the Law, while everything listed as fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with the Law, and in fact the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and that he served with with His mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive and that he served with his flesh, and in Romans 8:2, the Spirit sets us free from the law of sin and death, not from God's Law. In Romans 8:4-7, it says that it is the mind that is set on the flesh that refuses to submit to God's Law in contrast with walking in the Spirit.
That passage that is talking about God's ways being higher than our ways and his thoughts being higher than his thoughts, the life of Jesus gave us a glimpse into that height and gave us a means to soar with him. I have no desire to return to the slavery/egypt of the law.
 
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That passage that is talking about God's ways being higher than our ways and his thoughts being higher than his thoughts, the life of Jesus gave us a glimpse into that height and gave us a means to soar with him. I have no desire to return to the slavery/egypt of the law.

The verses that I asked you to please explain don't say anything about God's ways being higher than our ways. In any case, Isaiah 55:6-9 speaks against those who forsake God's ways and thoughts, so it is not clear to me why you brought it up. The life of Jesus certainly gave us an example of what it means to walk in God's ways, and the example that he set for his followers to follow was living in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how to soar with him as we are being made to be more like him.

In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Law, but to free us from all Lawlessness. God did not save the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt to put them back under bondage to His Law, but rather it is for freedom that God sets us free, and God's Law is a law of liberty (Psalms 119:45), while it is sinning in transgression of God's Law that puts us in bondage. The freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom to do what God revealed to be sin, but the freedom from doing those things.

If you have such a low opinion of the Law that you consider it to be bondage, then how does that not reflect rather negatively on your opinion of the Lawgiver? Do you believe that God told the truth when He said that what He commanded was for His people's own good (Deuteronomy 10:12-13)?
 
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The verses that I asked you to please explain don't say anything about God's ways being higher than our ways. In any case, Isaiah 55:6-9 speaks against those who forsake God's ways and thoughts, so it is not clear to me why you brought it up. The life of Jesus certainly gave us an example of what it means to walk in God's ways, and the example that he set for his followers to follow was living in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how to soar with him as we are being made to be more like him.

In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Law, but to free us from all Lawlessness. God did not save the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt to put them back under bondage to His Law, but rather it is for freedom that God sets us free, and God's Law is a law of liberty (Psalms 119:45), while it is sinning in transgression of God's Law that puts us in bondage. The freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom to do what God revealed to be sin, but the freedom from doing those things.

If you have such a low opinion of the Law that you consider it to be bondage, then how does that not reflect rather negatively on your opinion of the Lawgiver? Do you believe that God told the truth when He said that what He commanded was for His people's own good (Deuteronomy 10:12-13)?
I did word that funny, but I was referring to the verse that did refer to God's ways being higher than ours.
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The law is like a form of scaffolding for a building, or a crutch for a wounded person. It serves a purpose then is no longer useful, and can be detrimental if it is continued to be used after its time. I believe the law is very useful for a particular stage of christian spiritual development. However, I have kind of grown past it, so it doesn't really resonate with the way God's Spirit relates scripture to life as I live it.
 
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I did word that funny, but I was referring to the verse that did refer to God's ways being higher than ours.
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The law is like a form of scaffolding for a building, or a crutch for a wounded person. It serves a purpose then is no longer useful, and can be detrimental if it is continued to be used after its time. I believe the law is very useful for a particular stage of christian spiritual development. However, I have kind of grown past it, so it doesn't really resonate with the way God's Spirit relates scripture to life as I live it.

God's ways are indeed higher than our ways and in Psalms 103:7, it directly says that God made His ways known to Moses. If you want to say that the Law does not exhaustively list God's ways and that there are more ways to do what is righteous or refrain from doing what is sinful than what it specifically instructs or prohibits, then I'd agree with you. However, the Law is spiritual (Romans 7:14) because it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and those principles are the ways or attributes of God, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control, gracious, and forgiving. If we correctly understand a deeper spiritual principle and we have faith in God to guide us in how rightly live in restoring us to His image, then it will lead us to do things that are examples of that principle, not lead us to move past living according to those principles. Our goal as followers of Christ is to be like him in reflecting those attributes to the world, to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of him (1 Corinthians 11:1), not to move past that.
 
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God's ways are indeed higher than our ways and in Psalms 103:7, it directly says that God made His ways known to Moses. If you want to say that the Law does not exhaustively list God's ways and that there are more ways to do what is righteous or refrain from doing what is sinful than what it specifically instructs or prohibits, then I'd agree with you. However, the Law is spiritual (Romans 7:14) because it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and those principles are the ways or attributes of God, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control, gracious, and forgiving. If we correctly understand a deeper spiritual principle and we have faith in God to guide us in how rightly live in restoring us to His image, then it will lead us to do things that are examples of that principle, not lead us to move past living according to those principles. Our goal as followers of Christ is to be like him in reflecting those attributes to the world, to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of him (1 Corinthians 11:1), not to move past that.
The fruit of the spirit is love joy peace, patience kindness goodness, faithfulness gentleness and self control, against such there is no law.
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Jesus taught at the end of the period of the law and the prophets, that one needed to clean the inside of the cup so the outside would be clean also. This was in counter to the common practice to only clean the outside and not accomplish either.
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The old testament teachings serve to clean the body, but the teachings of the new testament serve to clean the soul, the new testament became effective after the death of the testator, Jesus Christ.
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Considering the work God has given me to do, using obsolete principles to accomplish tasks humans weren't given in that era, would be detrimental to my mental health, and in some cases suicidal.
 
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Will you please explain why you think that these verses don't describe God's ways as what He commanded to Moses?:

Joshua 22:5 Only be very careful to observe the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways and to keep his commandments and to cling to him and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

1 Kings 2:1-3 When David's time to die drew near, he commanded Solomon his son, saying, 2 “I am about to go the way of all the earth. Be strong, and show yourself a man, 3 and keep the charge of the Lord your God, walking in his ways and keeping his statutes, his commandments, his rules, and his testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn,

Psalms 103:1-8 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless his holy name! 2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits, 3 who forgives all your iniquity, who heals all your diseases, 4 who redeems your life from the pit, who crowns you with steadfast love and mercy, 5 who satisfies you with good so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's. 6 The Lord works righteousness and justice for all who are oppressed. 7 He made known his ways to Moses, his acts to the people of Israel. 8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.



God's Law reveals His righteous standard and God would have had no just grounds by which to judge Sodom and Gomorrah if they were not under His Law and obligated to live according to His righteous standard. We are told in 1 John 3:4-10 that sin is defined as the transgression of the Law, that we are not to continue to practice sin, and that anyone who does not practice righteousness is not a child of God, so this is not optional for children of God.



Do you believe that the Father is in disagreement with the Holy Spirit about what conduct we should have? Was the Father acting against the Holy Spirit and commanding the Israelites to act against the Spirit when He gave the Law to Moses? Rather, everything listed in Galatians 5:19-23 as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against against the Law, while everything listed as fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with the Law, and in fact the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and that he served with with His mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive and that he served with his flesh, and in Romans 8:2, the Spirit sets us free from the law of sin and death, not from God's Law. In Romans 8:4-7, it says that it is the mind that is set on the flesh that refuses to submit to God's Law in contrast with walking in the Spirit.
Jeremiah 31:31-33, Luke 22:20; 24:44.
 
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The verses that I asked you to please explain don't say anything about God's ways being higher than our ways. In any case, Isaiah 55:6-9 speaks against those who forsake God's ways and thoughts, so it is not clear to me why you brought it up. The life of Jesus certainly gave us an example of what it means to walk in God's ways, and the example that he set for his followers to follow was living in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how to soar with him as we are being made to be more like him.

In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Law, but to free us from all Lawlessness. God did not save the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt to put them back under bondage to His Law, but rather it is for freedom that God sets us free, and God's Law is a law of liberty (Psalms 119:45), while it is sinning in transgression of God's Law that puts us in bondage. The freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom to do what God revealed to be sin, but the freedom from doing those things.

If you have such a low opinion of the Law that you consider it to be bondage, then how does that not reflect rather negatively on your opinion of the Lawgiver? Do you believe that God told the truth when He said that what He commanded was for His people's own good (Deuteronomy 10:12-13)?
Romans 7:6
 
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God's ways are indeed higher than our ways and in Psalms 103:7, it directly says that God made His ways known to Moses. If you want to say that the Law does not exhaustively list God's ways and that there are more ways to do what is righteous or refrain from doing what is sinful than what it specifically instructs or prohibits, then I'd agree with you. However, the Law is spiritual (Romans 7:14) because it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and those principles are the ways or attributes of God, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control, gracious, and forgiving. If we correctly understand a deeper spiritual principle and we have faith in God to guide us in how rightly live in restoring us to His image, then it will lead us to do things that are examples of that principle, not lead us to move past living according to those principles. Our goal as followers of Christ is to be like him in reflecting those attributes to the world, to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of him (1 Corinthians 11:1), not to move past that.
Righteousness doesn't come by the law.
 
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Jeremiah 31:31-33, Luke 22:20; 24:44.

Please acknowledge that I've quoted many verses that establish that the Bible describes God's ways as what He commanded to Moses and that by arguing against obeying what God command to Moses that you are therefore arguing against walking in God's ways. God's ways or attributes are particular to God, not to any particular covenant. For instance, it will always be in accordance with God's righteousness for us to help the poor regardless of how many covenants God makes.

Romans 7:6

In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with a law of sin that held him captive, caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do, and that he served with his flesh. This is a summary statement of what he said previously, and Romans 7:6 specifies that the law that we are set free from is one that held us captive, so he was speaking about being free from the law of sin, not about God's Law that he delighted in obeying. In Romans 7:7, Paul made it explicitly clear that the God's Law is not sin, but reveals what sin is so that you do not confuse which law he is talking about. The freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do what God revealed to be sin. He was not speaking about be free from following God's instructions for how to live for Him, how to walk in His ways, or how to reflect His attributes to the world.

Righteousness doesn't come by the law.

Nothing I said even remotely comes close to saying that righteousness comes by the Law.
 
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The fruit of the spirit is love joy peace, patience kindness goodness, faithfulness gentleness and self control, against such there is no law.

The fruits of the Spirit are God's attributes or are God's ways and the way that we can walk in God's ways and reflect His attributes to the world. There is no law against them because they are all in accordance with what God's Law instructs, while it is the works of the flesh that are against the Spirit that are against the Law

Jesus taught at the end of the period of the law and the prophets, that one needed to clean the inside of the cup so the outside would be clean also. This was in counter to the common practice to only clean the outside and not accomplish either.

God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142) and so therefore His instructions for how live in accordance with His righteousness are likewise eternal (Psalms 119:160), and Jesus said nothing contrary to those verses that would indicate that this period is coming to an end. If a set of instruction for how to walk in God's ways comes to an end, then it can only be that God's ways have come to an end. If God's ways still exist, then His instructions for how to walk in them are still valid.

Everything in the Bible is there to teach us about God and how to have a relationship with Him, so God has always been concerned with where our heart is at and has always disdained it when His people outwardly obeyed Him while their hearts were far from Him (Isaiah 29:13). Jesus quoted that verse in Matthew 15:6-9 and Mark 7:6-9, where he said that the Pharisees were making void the Word of God for the sake of their traditions, that they were worshiping God in vain because they teaching as doctrines the commands of men, and that they were hypocrites for setting aside the commands of men in order to establish their own traditions, so he was criticizing them for not following the Mosaic Law and for teaching their own traditions in place of it. So we should not take a criticism of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees as being a criticism of what our God commanded.

The old testament teachings serve to clean the body, but the teachings of the new testament serve to clean the soul, the new testament became effective after the death of the testator, Jesus Christ.

In Romans 9:30 - Romans 10:4, the reason why Israel failed to obtain righteousness was not because they did what God told them to do and God gave them instructions that only that were only about outward performance, but that they mistakenly thought that His instructions were about outward performance and tired to establish their own righteousness. They did not understand that the righteousness of God came only through a relationship with Messiah and that the goal of the Law was a relationship with Him for righteousness for everyone who has faith, and so they pursued the Law as though righteousness were by works instead of pursuing the Law as though righteousness were by faith. According to John 8:56, Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day and was glad. Everyone who obtained righteousness in the OT did so through faith in the promise, so the OT was never about outward performance, and that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of it.

Considering the work God has given me to do, using obsolete principles to accomplish tasks humans weren't given in that era, would be detrimental to my mental health, and in some cases suicidal.

I'm torn because I don't want to cause you mental health problems and certainly not to commit suicide. God's ways are commanded for our own good and intended to be a delight, where we will find rest for our souls, not for our detriment. God's ways are not obsolete and I can't act like they are.
 
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I'm torn because I don't want to cause you mental health problems and certainly not to commit suicide. God's ways are commanded for our own good and intended to be a delight, where we will find rest for our souls, not for our detriment. God's ways are not obsolete and I can't act like they are.
That's fine, I can't act beyond what I know either. Bless.
 
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God straightforwardly reveals His will through His commands and His commands divide between what is good and evil and instruct us how to overcome evil with good. In 1 Corinthians 4:20, I think Paul was contrasting talk with action, in other words, the Kingdom of God has the power to produce good works, and grace is the power of God to overcome sin. God's commands also teach us how to love. It is important to keep in mind that "the righteous shall live by faith" is a principle found in the OT (Habakkuk 2:4) and every example of people in the OT having saving faith listed in Hebrews 11 is also an example of someone submitting to God's will, so I don't see you as saying anything contrary to what I've said or showing that walking in God's ways is different from how the verses I listed define it.
Not all those in Hebrews 11 had the law issued at Sinai.

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Please acknowledge that I've quoted many verses that establish that the Bible describes God's ways as what He commanded to Moses and that by arguing against obeying what God command to Moses that you are therefore arguing against walking in God's ways. God's ways or attributes are particular to God, not to any particular covenant. For instance, it will always be in accordance with God's righteousness for us to help the poor regardless of how many covenants God makes.
I acknowledge your many verses. What I want to know is why you do not believe Jer 31:31-33 and LK 22:20; 24:44.
In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with a law of sin that held him captive, caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do, and that he served with his flesh. This is a summary statement of what he said previously, and Romans 7:6 specifies that the law that we are set free from is one that held us captive, so he was speaking about being free from the law of sin, not about God's Law that he delighted in obeying. In Romans 7:7, Paul made it explicitly clear that the God's Law is not sin, but reveals what sin is so that you do not confuse which law he is talking about. The freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do what God revealed to be sin. He was not speaking about be free from following God's instructions for how to live for Him, how to walk in His ways, or how to reflect His attributes to the world.

What law slew Paul? In verse 7 Paul specifically named number 10 of the famous 10 Cs. Surely you cannot be saying Paul delighted in death.

Being that I do not love and practice sin as a lifestyle, I have no idea what you might be talking about. Since you area defender of the law as a requirement of the Christian, it might be the sabbath. Since I am not obligated to the law because I am under (obligated to) the new covenant, the 4th commandment, a ceremonial law has no meaning to me. However celebrating the resurrection of Jesus does have great meaning to me. You can remember creation if you want. I remember Jesus Who set me free from sin and the law.
Nothing I said even remotely comes close to saying that righteousness comes by the Law.
Is not being in compliance with the 10 Cs what you call righteousness? IOW If I do not keep all of them am I sinning? Since I know about it evidenced in this forum is that willful sin? OTH if you say you keep them and knowingly are not in compliance as evidenced in this forum is that not the same willful sin? What does the Scripture say about unrepentant sin?

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Please acknowledge that I've quoted many verses that establish that the Bible describes God's ways as what He commanded to Moses and that by arguing against obeying what God command to Moses that you are therefore arguing against walking in God's ways. God's ways or attributes are particular to God, not to any particular covenant. For instance, it will always be in accordance with God's righteousness for us to help the poor regardless of how many covenants God makes.
What do you mean acknowledge your verses? Do you mean agree with you? Do you mean disregard the verses I posted? Do you mean to not believe Jeremiah? Do you mean to disregard the NT? Do you mean to disregard Jesus? Why do you want to tear me and others away from the new covenant so badly?

I'm not arguing against Moses. I'm not arguing against the ways of God. I'm not arguing for an evil lifestyle. I'm arguing for the new covenant and its better covenant. What God told Moses was for Israel alone. The writings of Moses prove that point. Do you need Scripture yet again? The new covenant doesn't require keeping the law.
In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with a law of sin that held him captive, caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do, and that he served with his flesh. This is a summary statement of what he said previously, and Romans 7:6 specifies that the law that we are set free from is one that held us captive, so he was speaking about being free from the law of sin, not about God's Law that he delighted in obeying. In Romans 7:7, Paul made it explicitly clear that the God's Law is not sin, but reveals what sin is so that you do not confuse which law he is talking about. The freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do what God revealed to be sin. He was not speaking about be free from following God's instructions for how to live for Him, how to walk in His ways, or how to reflect His attributes to the world.
What law held Paul captive? Wasn't it the law that slew him? Did Paul change the law he was talking about in verse 6? What law did Paul talk about? Wasn't it the ten commandments by mentioning coveting in the same verse (7) you mention ? Isn't that number ten in the ten commandments? Are you saying Paul loved death? Paul tells us the ten commandments slew him.

What held us captive? Wasn't it the law issued at Sinai? It's what Paul referred to in verse 7. Do you understand the human nature? Do you understand how the mind works? I've been involved in sales and understand manipulation. I was also raised in a family of manipulators. I learned about seeing the end goal.

Did someone here say God's' law, the ten commandments are sin or evil? Not that I read anywhere. Does Romans 3:31 command anything? No. Why is it then relied on to prove the christian is obligated to the law (sabbath really)?

What is the inward man of verse 22? What is redeemed? Is it the body of flesh? or the soul? Where does Scripture say we're redeemed so we can keep the sabbath? Keeping the sabbath within has nothing to do with getting the body of flesh to keep it. The Jews kept the 7th day sabbath and didn't have rest. Jesus offered them the rest of God in Matthew 11:28-30. This rest isn't found in the law. Neither is the righteousness God requires found in obedience to the law.
Nothing I said even remotely comes close to saying that righteousness comes by the Law.
Oh. Is it righteous to not keep the law? Why do you entreat me as a fool? I don't return to vomit. I discard it as waste.

I don't expect you to answer any of my questions. And that is OK.
 
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The fruits of the Spirit are God's attributes or are God's ways and the way that we can walk in God's ways and reflect His attributes to the world. There is no law against them because they are all in accordance with what God's Law instructs, while it is the works of the flesh that are against the Spirit that are against the Law



God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142) and so therefore His instructions for how live in accordance with His righteousness are likewise eternal (Psalms 119:160), and Jesus said nothing contrary to those verses that would indicate that this period is coming to an end. If a set of instruction for how to walk in God's ways comes to an end, then it can only be that God's ways have come to an end. If God's ways still exist, then His instructions for how to walk in them are still valid.

Everything in the Bible is there to teach us about God and how to have a relationship with Him, so God has always been concerned with where our heart is at and has always disdained it when His people outwardly obeyed Him while their hearts were far from Him (Isaiah 29:13). Jesus quoted that verse in Matthew 15:6-9 and Mark 7:6-9, where he said that the Pharisees were making void the Word of God for the sake of their traditions, that they were worshiping God in vain because they teaching as doctrines the commands of men, and that they were hypocrites for setting aside the commands of men in order to establish their own traditions, so he was criticizing them for not following the Mosaic Law and for teaching their own traditions in place of it. So we should not take a criticism of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees as being a criticism of what our God commanded.
You don't want to weigh your traditions against scripture.
 
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