How do people who interpret Babylon as America interpret 1 Peter 5:13

Do you believe America is Babylon

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yeshuaslavejeff

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No need to interpret it. Just translate it properly.
Notice what is meant:

13 The church here in Babylon *d]">[d] chosen by God together with you, sends you greetings. So does my son in the faith Mark.

14 Greet each other with a kiss of love, and may peace come to all who follow Jesus the Anointed.

Footnotes:
  1. 5:5 Proverbs 3:34
  2. 5:10 Early manuscripts omit this portion.
  3. 5:12 Silvanus is better known in Acts as Silas.
  4. 5:13 A cryptic designation for Rome
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I tend to believe that America is not the Babylon as it is referred to in scripture. I believe that it is possible that at certain points of history many different human nations/governments have acted as a type of Babylon because Babylon itself can be read as an archetype of human government in opposition to God.

In which case, depending on your perspective, America can certainly fit the bill. And many more nations besides.

But I also believe in light of various certain prophecies in the Bible that Babylon referres to the actual literal city that exists today in Iraq.

Kind of like how the city of Jerusalem has all sorts of spiritual interpretations and is also the real live, actual-facts capital of the modern State of Israel.

(This perspective has been brought to you today by a Canadian)
 
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I have released there is a growing amount of people who believe Babylon in the book of Revelation is America. How do they interpret 1 Peter 5:13 which speaks of the Church in Babylon? Do they believe there was a Church in America during that time?
No, it is speaking of the church of that time period.
 
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No, it is speaking of the church of that time period.
Correct concerning this reference in 1 Peter.
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13 The church here in Babylon[d] chosen by God together with you, sends you greetings. So does my son in the faith Mark.

14 Greet each other with a kiss of love, and may peace come to all who follow Jesus the Anointed.
Footnotes:

5:5 Proverbs 3:34
5:10 Early manuscripts omit this portion.
5:12 Silvanus is better known in Acts as Silas.
5:13 A cryptic designation for Rome

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Peter initially preached to the Jews and his being in Babylon (physical) was supported due to the large population there.

“Babylon” or “Babylon the Great,” referred to in Revelations, is figurative because it does not have a physical location.(Revelations 1:1) It is described as a woman/harlot that rides the symbolic seven-headed beast-a symbol of political world powers. She is described to be a city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. (Revelations 17:1 6, 15, 18) Her other identified characteristics is her drunkenness “with the blood of the holy ones.” (Revelations 18:24) Furthermore, because of her influences over governments by misleading them by her spiritualist practices, she either directly or indirectly persecuted/killed those in opposition to her spiritual fornication and false religious practices/doctrines. See for example only: Exodus 34:12-16; Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 3:6-10. 13; Ezekiel 16:15-17, 20-38; John 15:19; James 4:4: Revelations 18:3. This apostasy has not gone unnoticed and judgment is awaiting her and of those that worship her.-Revelations 17:16; 18:2, 4, 5. In summary “she” is the world empire of false religion.
 
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This is a tough one, I just realized, that I may have been deceived by Chris White, if his interpretation was wrong. He held that Mystery Babylon was Jerusalem, as it was the only city where the prophets were slain. I didn't know this topic could be so intricate.

Stated scriptures are echoed in Jeremiah 51:49

Jeremiah 51:49
Indeed Babylon is to fall for the slain of Israel, As also for Babylon the slain of all the earth have fallen.

We are reminded for Babylon the slain of all the earth has fallen.

Does this mean that Babylon is spiritual, as could be the only way all the slain of the earth could be attributed to it, or is this a blood guilt, required of Israel, for its sins, and inability to hold its children together? This could go back to original sin blood guilt, should God be willing. Likely, this topic will remain obscure without some solid scripture, or teaching from God.
 
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Revelation 17:7-10
7 “The angel said to me, “Why do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go into destruction. Those who dwell on the earth and whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see that the beast was, and is not, and shall be present.
9 Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.
10 They are seven kings. Five have fallen, the one is, the other has not yet come. When he comes, he must continue a little while.

It is my opinion that the above rules out ‘Babylon the Great’ being the United States of America, for the United States is far to young to fit the bill.

The indication is that this harlot has been sitting on the beast throughout the full time of the existence of nations upon this earth. How so? It clearly states of this beast she sits upon, “The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits. They are seven kings. Five have fallen, the one is, the other has not yet come, ...”

Obviously, then, this harlot sat upon the five dominant kingdoms which had fallen and, at the time this revelation was given John, was sitting on the one that then was the dominating kingdom of the world. There is thus no way she could portray the United States of America. Rather, the United States of America is but one of the many nations of the world which are lured into fornication with her.

The portion of dominant kingdoms of mankind throughout history which have unwittingly resisted God’s plans for mankind in one way or another are who those heads picture. The OT Bible names them all for us but for the 7th and describes the way in which the they resisted God’s work in the earth. These are the kingdoms which caused great changes to the world scene as seemed good to themselves, using their own worldly wisdom which they thought so highly of rather than knowing and using godly wisdom.

So, yes, now that the seventh head is in place with it’s two horns most likely representing Britain and the United States, this harlot has used Britain and the United States as the main source of her authority and power, manipulating them skillfully as a treacherous lover does to achieve her ends. Any man who has ever known prostitutes closer in knows how they are very good at rapping a man around their finger so that he dances to keep them happy. It is no different when the prostitute is an institution and her desire is for nations. She can be a powerful influence to shape a nation’s wisdom.

So that is the key to dispelling your doubt. Just realize that this harlot is as old as man and that while she bears similar traits to the Babylon whom she also greatly influenced she was not that literal Babylon who is but one of the five fallen heads there at Revelation 17:10. Destroying that Babylon did not destroy her, for she lived on to the next and the next.

I fear there may be some in this world, like Isis, who believe that the United States is Babylon the Great and that the United States should be destroyed. They are operating in ignorance and causing themselves and all near them tons of grief.

We see that Armageddon follows immediately after her destruction. That is because with her ill influence gone from the earth the mess she made of the nations yet needs to be cleaned up. Man will never lay down his weapons on his own and so Armageddon is about God destroying those armies of man’s nations. That is Re4velation 19:17-21.

It is already getting quite fearful but nothing like the fear we will experience as we witness Armageddon unfold upon us. Just remember that God’s goal is to salvage all who will listen to him and let themselves be salvaged. Just not their armies and other things he finds despicable among the nations.
 
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Some Bible scholars ref. Babylon as shown in Revelation as being the RC religion, particularly as in the zenith of its known tyranny in the Middle Ages (called dark ages 500 to 1500 AD) ---note Middle Ages history in secular college studies. The reference to the "seven-hilled city" in Revelation is also what Rome has been referred to through the ages.

Yes, as one said here, there was a Christian assembly in Babylon as Peter refers to, which suffered. There is a summary paper on this subject at the Biblecounsel web site.
 
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While it can be noted some died and/or were killed in Rome such as Paul and Peter, Rome didn't always exist. There is a Babylon which was "abandoned" (according to Wikipedia) in roughly 1000 A.D. long after it was mentioned in 1 Peter. This would give credence chronologically to the fact that it could have been the existing Babylon. Scripturally we look at the beginning of Peter's letter addressing Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia; all regions in roughly modern-day Turkey. And given the region at the time classified by the names, one needn't go far on a map to locate Babylon; as it is in Iraq, just to the south. It was likely the actual Babylon inferred here as 1 Peter 5:13 states that the church at Babylon was elected together WITH you. It doesn't seem to be a spiritual Babylon as in Revelation. It would make sense in that context. But even Ninevah itself, Jonah was sent unto to preach However, that being said, it can't be so inferred to not have doubt. It can be noted that Paul address Rome itself in Romans, by name. Interpretation-wise Revelation specifies a MYSTERY BABYLON, which is to say, a spiritual Babylon, which can be taken several ways as to the actual city; whether Rome, Jerusalem, USA; it all depending on one's spiritual glasses.
 
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