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Wondering what creationist view on Carnivore feeding after ark land.
Meat.

Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
 
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That my opinion also. Wondering what creationist view on Carnivore feeding after ark land.

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Ooooopppsss---didn't notice it is already posted.
 
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Noah's Ark was built of gopher wood which is NOT found on planet Earth. No wood on our Earth could possibly be used since the 450 foot Ark would sink IF it could be held together long enough to float. Noah's Ark was built on Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6. Adam's Earth is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey. It was "clean dissolved" in the deluge. Isa 24:19 That is God's Truth Scripturally.

So let me get this straight, - You refer to yourself as "christian" YET, you refute details in HIS Word? So if you refute the details about the ark and the flood, what ELSE do you refute? The resurrection? the virgin birth? the ascension?
 
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So let me get this straight, - You refer to yourself as "christian" YET, you refute details in HIS Word? So if you refute the details about the ark and the flood, what ELSE do you refute? The resurrection? the virgin birth? the ascension?

False, since I believe every jot and tittle of God's Holy Word. The details of the Ark and the Flood in Scripture do NOT match those of the traditional religious view of ancient superstitious Jewish theologians. I'm a fundamentalist, born again Spiritual Christian who believes that the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, is the POWER of God unto Salvation, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. His resurrection from the dead, His virgin birth and His ascension into Heaven was authored by God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. God Bless you
 
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I say Arkansas


(Just kidding)

Actually, Noah lived for 600 years on Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 Noah's birthplace was in the midst or middle of water and had water above and below it since it was totally immersed in water. Gen 1:6-7
 
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False, since I believe every jot and tittle of God's Holy Word. The details of the Ark and the Flood in Scripture do NOT match those of the traditional religious view of ancient superstitious Jewish theologians. I'm a fundamentalist, born again Spiritual Christian who believes that the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, is the POWER of God unto Salvation, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. His resurrection from the dead, His virgin birth and His ascension into Heaven was authored by God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. God Bless you

That's because there are two floods.

One that occurred earlier in earth past and Noah's.

Notice the flood water moved away instantly in the Psalm 104: (5-7) passage but took 150 days to go from the earth in Genesis 8: (2-3).

They are not talking about the same event.
 
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That's because there are two floods.

One that occurred earlier in earth past and Noah's.

Notice the flood water moved away instantly in the Psalm 104: (5-7) passage but took 150 days to go from the earth in Genesis 8: (2-3).

They are not talking about the same event.

Actually, it was different Heavens (worlds). Adam's firmament was totally destroyed on the 150th day after the flood began. Gen 7:24 ll Peter 3:6 On the SAME 150th day after the flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, this released the 450 ft Ark into Lake. That's God's Truth of the flood. God Bless you
 
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Actually, it was different Heavens (worlds). Adam's firmament was totally destroyed on the 150th day after the flood began. Gen 7:24 ll Peter 3:6 On the SAME 150th day after the flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, this released the 450 ft Ark into Lake. That's God's Truth of the flood. God Bless you
I really don't think the II Peter scripture is talking about Noah's flood. The scripture describes a world that was completely engulfed in water and not just covered. The creation being spoke about is the 7 day creation and this flood corresponds to the placement of the deep in Genesis 1:2.
 
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I really don't think the II Peter scripture is talking about Noah's flood.

Really? Can you tell us of another world that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the flood? Of course not. God told Noah that He was going to "Destroy" the first world. Gen 6:13 Then God promised Noah that never again would He destroy the Earth in a flood. Gen 9:11 Peter told us that God utterly and completely destroyed Adam's entire world. 2Pe 3:6

The scripture describes a world that was completely engulfed in water and not just covered.

Amen. As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, Adam's small flat Earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood. Isa 24:19 Many people don't know that Adam's world/firmament was made the 2nd Day Gen 1:8 and the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW 2Pe 3:7 were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The 3rd Heaven of 2Co 12:2 was also made on the 3rd Day.

The creation being spoke about is the 7 day creation and this flood corresponds to the placement of the deep in Genesis 1:2.

Huh? The 7 Day Creation of the perfect Heaven continues since God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in Christ Spiritually as Gen 1:27 states. When Heaven is filled with ALL of it's host, Jesus will return and give us dominion over EVERY living creature including viruses, Mosquitoes and Angels. 1Co 6:3 Then the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 will be fulfilled at the end of the present 6th Day and ALL of Heaven's "host", which includes ALL Christians will be safely in Heaven as Gen 2:1 confirms:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

Unless you can convince us that Heaven has already been perfected and filled with it's host, which includes the last sinner to be created eternally....Amen?
 
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Really? Can you tell us of another world that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the flood
Yes.
God told Noah that He was going to "Destroy" the first world.
I do not see anything in that verse that states that this is the first world. I’m not sure how you determined that.

Genesis 6:7 shows the reasoning for the need for the flood.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Notice that God here is being specific about what he is going to destroy. We see that what he was going to destroy was from the face of the earth. Notice again he states this in

Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Notice also he is not referencing only man in particular but all things made from “the face of the earth”.

Look at Genesis 8:21,

Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

we see that God has promised not to curse the ground again. We know that God cursed the ground because of Adam Eve in Eden. God obviously wanted to purge the earth of those animals and man made directly from the earth. We can see how this develops from Genesis 2:4 to Genesis 4:26. Also recognize that Cain's offering was from the ground.

Now, let’s take a look at what exited the ark when it landed,

Genesis 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.

How about what got on the ark?

Gensis 6: (19-20) 19. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. 20. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

It seems now what was kept on the ark is different than what was left on the ground to die. God here basically makes a distinction about what was too be kept and what was to be destroyed. What was to be destroyed was made from the ground and what was to be kept was “after their kind” (in His likeness) . Like or not they are different and God made distinction clear here in scripture for a reason. What is the difference? Why are they different? We can see the difference of those that are made after their kind in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3. We see specifically that in Genesis 1: (25-26) that the ones that are to be kept on the ark are made here. and the story about those to be destroyed is told between Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26. Notice how Genesis 5:1 even adds more strength to validate the distinction.

I showed this distinction for a reason. When was those made from the dust created?

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

When did this occur? Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

What followed directly after this

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The world was flooded.

Why?

Ezekiel 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.

There is much more to add here, however the world that then was had been flooded by the deep.
 
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Where did Noah build the Ark?
According to the photos we have from space. Based on the description of the four rivers in the Bible. Noah lived in the Tigris - Euphrates river valley in an area that is now under the Persian Gulf.

Gen 2:10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.

What scripture do you use for New Jersey?
 
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In what city was the Good Samaritan born?
Trick question right?

Samaria (Hebrew: שומרון‎ Shomron; Ancient Greek: Σαμάρεια; Arabic: السامرة‎, translit. as-Samira‎) was an ancient city in the Land of Israel. It was the capital of the northern Kingdom of Israel in the 9th and 8th centuries BC. The ruins of the city are located in the Samaria mountains of the West Bank and are under the jurisdiction of the Israel National Parks Authority. Wiki
 
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It seems now what was kept on the ark is different than what was left on the ground to die.
The act of putting plants and animals on the Ark is the difference between wild and domesticated. Natural selection and artificial selection.

Science has put a lot of research and study on how farming (neolithic revolution) spread from the Middle East to Europe. There are professors that study the evolution of ancient middle east plants (botany). There are a few books available on this and information in peer reviewed articles.

IF you want to know what was on the Ark read the Bible or look to science. The Bible talks a lot about the plants we find in the Middle East. Also it is written about all the animals that we find in the middle east.

You will not find corn or potatoes, that comes from American. You will not find rice that comes from Asia. In fact my wife is from Asia so I know the food they eat there is different from the food they grow and eat in the Middle East.

"The sweet potato was grown in Polynesia before western exploration. Sweet potato has been radiocarbon-dated in the Cook Islands to 1000 AD, and current thinking is that it was brought to central Polynesia around 700 AD, possibly by Polynesians who had traveled to South America and back, and spread across Polynesia to Hawaii and New Zealand from there.[13][14] It is possible, however, that South Americans brought it to the Pacific, although this is unlikely as it was the Polynesians who had a strong maritime tradition and not the native South Americans. The theory that the plant could spread by floating seeds across the ocean is not supported by evidence. Another point is that the sweet potato in Polynesia is the cultivated Ipomoea batatas, which is generally spread by vine cuttings and not by seeds.[15]" wiki

I think the odds are pretty good that there were no sweet potatoes on Noah's ark because there were no sweet potatoes in the Middle east back then. They are not native to that biodiverse ecosystem.
 
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The world was flooded.

Why?
The world was flooded because: "all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."

There are at least 60 scriptures that talk about the Firmament - Vault - Expanse in Genesis 1:6. A Bible study on that would be quite extensive.

There are people that believe that Noah's flood in 2348 BC was a shadow and type of the flood that took place in Pangea when that continent began to break up around 175 million years ago. Because of the climate change and the change in the atmosphere at that time. "When the flood gates of heaven were opened" a lot of the water that was in the atmosphere fell to the earth.

Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."
 
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Yes.

I do not see anything in that verse that states that this is the first world. I’m not sure how you determined that.

Genesis 6:7 shows the reasoning for the need for the flood.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Notice that God here is being specific about what he is going to destroy. We see that what he was going to destroy was from the face of the earth. Notice again he states this in

Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Notice also he is not referencing only man in particular but all things made from “the face of the earth”.

Look at Genesis 8:21,

Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

we see that God has promised not to curse the ground again. We know that God cursed the ground because of Adam Eve in Eden. God obviously wanted to purge the earth of those animals and man made directly from the earth. We can see how this develops from Genesis 2:4 to Genesis 4:26. Also recognize that Cain's offering was from the ground.

Now, let’s take a look at what exited the ark when it landed,

Genesis 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.

How about what got on the ark?

Gensis 6: (19-20) 19. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. 20. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

It seems now what was kept on the ark is different than what was left on the ground to die. God here basically makes a distinction about what was too be kept and what was to be destroyed. What was to be destroyed was made from the ground and what was to be kept was “after their kind” (in His likeness) . Like or not they are different and God made distinction clear here in scripture for a reason. What is the difference? Why are they different? We can see the difference of those that are made after their kind in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3. We see specifically that in Genesis 1: (25-26) that the ones that are to be kept on the ark are made here. and the story about those to be destroyed is told between Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26. Notice how Genesis 5:1 even adds more strength to validate the distinction.

I showed this distinction for a reason. When was those made from the dust created?

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

When did this occur? Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

What followed directly after this

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The world was flooded.

Why?

Ezekiel 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.

There is much more to add here, however the world that then was had been flooded by the deep.

Sorry, but your confusion may have been caused by your choice of versions of Scripture. I use the KJV which refutes your version in many ways. God bless you
 
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Where did Noah build the Ark?

Be specific please.

I say he built it in what is now New Jersey.

Be prepared to defend your position.

Cool question but I think New Jersey was probably under water or on the other side of the Atlantic at the time. The bible does not say and the earth was so seriously reconfigured by the flood that the place names might not mean anything.
 
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Where did Noah build the Ark?

Be specific please.

Noah built the Ark on Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Adam's Earth was in the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:(Greek-destroyed totally utterly)
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

God went to a lot of trouble to show that Adam's Earth was NOT our Earth. Amen?
 
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Sorry, but your confusion may have been caused by your choice of versions of Scripture. I use the KJV which refutes your version in many ways. God bless you

Concerning post #111, please provide a single example of such a refute.
 
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The world was flooded because: "all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."

There are at least 60 scriptures that talk about the Firmament - Vault - Expanse in Genesis 1:6. A Bible study on that would be quite extensive.

There are people that believe that Noah's flood in 2348 BC was a shadow and type of the flood that took place in Pangea when that continent began to break up around 175 million years ago. Because of the climate change and the change in the atmosphere at that time. "When the flood gates of heaven were opened" a lot of the water that was in the atmosphere fell to the earth.

Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."

The reason and the mechanism to do it are not the same.

The cause,

Genesis 5:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

The solution,

Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

The result,

Genesis 8:21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
 
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