JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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effect saying you do not commit sin and others must attain to where you are at.
Nope it was those that did not believe God and this is the reason that we should not follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God. Sunday Worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. (see Matthew 15:3-9)
There are many proofs from your statements that you do not understand the true message of scripture. The above is yet another example.
The Pharisees rejected Christ because they wanted a righteousness/justification of their own by observing the law. The same as you do, no matter what you write to try and deflect from that.
As for your continued insistence man must observe a set Saturday Sabbath. You only come to that conclusion by reading the letter of the OT law in scripture. NOT through inner conviction. And if that law had been written on your mind and placed on your heart, as written, you would have been convicted of it from within, not by what is written in ink.
 
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John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18, He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20, For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Although some will believe His Word and some will not. We must believe God's Word over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God....

But you have no saviour from sin do you? For as you have stated.
If you commit knowing sin you are condemned by the law.
And if you don't know when you sin, how can the law be written in your mind and placed in your heart?
You know, theres a lot of people who go to church, in varying denominations, who don't commit the physical act of adultery, they don't get drunk, smoke, use foul language, they tithe their money, they go to all the church services of their particular denomination and even do some good deeds, and they read their bibles avidly. And on that basis they believe they live acceptable lives to enter heaven/they have obeyed the law. Many even convince themselves they commit no known sin due to observing what I have mentioned.
Its sad really that people can be so misguided. Much worse, when they try and give the impression to others they themselves commit no sin/or known sin.
 
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Then just answer the question with a simple yes or no. Do you ever commit any sin? Your refusal to plainly answer the very simple question says much I am afraid. How can you commit unknowing sin if the law God desires you to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart? Do you not believe you must know in your mind what has been placed there? You see, you haven't the courage to plainly answer simple questions have you. You must go all around the houses to avoid answering.

You have been plainly answered in Post 629 where I wrote..........

stuart lawrence said: Do you claim to be ignorant of any of Gods laws? I'm sure you must answer no to that. Therefore if you commit sin you must commit knowing sin.

LoveGodsWord said: Well this is a good question. My answer would be yes and no. I say this because yes I know God's Law (10 commandments) but everyday I am growing in grace so I do not perfectly know the depth of God's Law. This is called growing in grace (1 Peter 2:1-21; Ephesians 4:15; 2 Peter 1:2-12; 2 Peter 3:18; 1 Corinthians 13:9-13)

stuart lawrence said: So the next question is: Do you ever commit any sin? You are not going to answer that are you!!

LoveGodsWord said: Without Jesus all I can do is sin because I am a sinner. I am blind, deaf, lame, poor and naked. Sick in sin and in need of a physician. He is my Physician because I am sick in sin and cannot heal myself. He changes my filthy rags for his white robe of righteousness which he swapped for my filthy rags and by his stripes I am healed. Now I walk in him by faith and not by sight because I am blind. He is in me and His Spirit guides my steps. I am growing in grace and not yet perfect but I am perfect in him as I believe and follow his Word. Now he strengthens me to do all things. I was a servant to sin now he sets me free to love him because he first loved me.

Then what does it mean to ABIDE in Christ and who are those that know Him............?

Jesus says; Now you are CLEAN THROUGH THE WORD which I have spoken unto you. ABIDE IN ME <the Word>, and I IN YOU. As the branch cannot BEAR FRUIT of itself, except it abide in the vine; NO MORE CAN YOU, except you ABIDE IN ME. I am the vine, ye are the branches: HE THAT ABIDES IN ME AND I IN HIM, the same brings forth much FRUIT: for WITHOUT ME <the Word> YOU CAN DO NOTHING. If a man ABIDE NOT IN ME <the Word>, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye ABIDE IN ME <the Word>, and MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, THAT YOU BARE MUCH FRUIT; SO SHALL YOU BE MY DISCIPLES. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, YOU SHALL ABIDE IN MY LOVE; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love (John 15:3-10).

This is the same as ............

WALK IN THE SPIRIT and you shall NOT FULFILL THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH (Galatians 5:16: 25; Romans 8:1-4; 14)

The keys .........

It is the SPIRIT that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (John 6:63)

You must be born again to know God's power to be free from sin and bare fruit.........

Whosoever ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: < this is the same as John 15:3-10 above> WHOSOEVER SINS <the fruit> hath not seen him, neither known him <not abiding in him>.
Little children, LET KNOW MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; <why?> FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: <What does the seed represent?; Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God - Luke 8:11> and HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD <through faith in God's word>. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother (1 John 3:6-10)

We are born again by faith in God's Word. Faith is the victory......

BEING BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible SEED, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER (1 Peter 1:23).

Faith is the victory...........

For whatsoever is BORN OF GOD OVERCOMES THE WORLD: and THIS IS THE VICTORY THAT OVERCOMES THE WORLD, EVEN OUR FAITH (1 John 5:4).

Let's put it all together.................

It is only through faith by believing and following the word of God that we have victory over sin and know the power of God unto salvation. God's Word is God's power (Jude 1:24; Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 6:7; 1 Peter 1:5) The power of God is according to the Spirit of holiness (Romans 1:4). If we do not know God's Word we do not know his power (Matthew 22:29) If we are sinning we do not know him (1 John 3:6). If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12). Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. If we have unrepentant known sin in our lives we do not know God and are not following him..

The mind of God is the Word of God and we should believe and follow it...

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I wrote the truth in my post. Nothing more nothing less. Once again you have to sidestep responding to what was written. Its a plain fact, that the church I have seen most flagrant sin in(or people committing unknown sin to them) was the SDA church I went to for a couple of months to please a friend. I would be lying if I denied it. The real difference between you and I, is this. Can you claim never to dwell on any impure thought, whenever one comes, you immediately resist it every single time? Do you claim never to get angry with anyone without just cause? Do you claim never to think unkindly/negatively about anyone when you should not? Do you claim to truly in your heart faultlessly love all those you come into contact with, including those who may malign, slander or persecute you? If you claim you faultlessly obey the above, you would be lying. For no human faultlessly obeys the above. Therefore, you yourself commit sin. And this is the difference between you and I. I do not justify, or seek to excuse my sin/shortcomings. Nor do I convince myself I may commit unknowing sin, for the law God desires me to follow is written on my mind and placed on my heart. And the Holy Spirit convicts me of my sin. In order for you to say: You are condemned by the law if you commit knowing sin, the Holy Spirit is not in you if you commit knowing sin, neither are you being led of him if you commit knowing sin You are in reality claiming to not yourself commit knowing sin. Otherwise you condemn yourself. You may simply be blind to the truth, or, you maybe wilfully demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself. Either way, I am not your judge, but there will come a time when you must answer for preaching/demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself. And we know from Jesus words to the pharisees, such preaching is something he hated. Theres no love in it you see for your fellow man, none at all. On the positive side. No one in theological debates on the internet changes their mind during debate(or only extremely rarely would they) So you wont be doing much harm to anyone here by demanding of them what you do not demand of yourself.

Already answered in the last post, Post 629 and Post # 639. I do not know why you write these stories. Only God's Word is true and we must follow God's Word because it is only God's Word that will judge all of us in the last days. I do not judge you.
 
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effect saying you do not commit sin and others must attain to where you are at.

There are many proofs from your statements that you do not understand the true message of scripture. The above is yet another example.
The Pharisees rejected Christ because they wanted a righteousness/justification of their own by observing the law. The same as you do, no matter what you write to try and deflect from that.
As for your continued insistence man must observe a set Saturday Sabbath. You only come to that conclusion by reading the letter of the OT law in scripture. NOT through inner conviction. And if that law had been written on your mind and placed on your heart, as written, you would have been convicted of it from within, not by what is written in ink.

Here you go saying things I have not said again when you have been clearly answered in the last post, Post 629 and Post # 639.

The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word?

Do you know the meaning of these scriptures?
 
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But you have no saviour from sin do you? For as you have stated. If you commit knowing sin you are condemned by the law.
And if you don't know when you sin, how can the law be written in your mind and placed in your heart? You know, theres a lot of people who go to church, in varying denominations, who don't commit the physical act of adultery, they don't get drunk, smoke, use foul language, they tithe their money, they go to all the church services of their particular denomination and even do some good deeds, and they read their bibles avidly. And on that basis they believe they live acceptable lives to enter heaven/they have obeyed the law. Many even convince themselves they commit no known sin due to observing what I have mentioned. Its sad really that people can be so misguided. Much worse, when they try and give the impression to others they themselves commit no sin/or known sin.
Well that is not true. I do indeed have a Savior. It is God's Word that says; that if we practice unrepentant sin we do not know Him (1 John 3:6). As you have stated correctly sin is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). We are told in this same chapter .....

1 John 3:5-10
And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and IN HIM IS NO SIN <this is where we need to abide>. Whosoever ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: < this is the same as John 15:3-10 above> WHOSOEVER SINS <the fruit> HAS NOT SEEN HIM NEITHER KNOWN HIM <not abiding in him>. Little children, LET KNOW MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; <why?> FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: <What does the seed represent?; Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God - Luke 8:11> and HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD <through faith in God's word>. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother

No commentary needed.......

Acts 17:30-31
30, And the TIMES OF IGNORANCE GOD WINKS AT; but NOW COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT: 31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which HE WILL JUDGE THE WORLD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS <see Psalms 119:172> by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

No commentary needed............

If you have unrepentant sin in your life it is God's Word that says you stand guilty before God of breaking his Law and need to seek God in repentance and forgiveness. It is not God's will that you continue in sin........

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.

Romans 6:12
LET NOT SIN REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Romans 6:14
FOR SIN SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15
What then? SHALL WE SIN, because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

If any man does sin...........

1 John 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

If anyone is choosing to live a life of known unrepentant sin God's Word says they will not enter the kingdom of Heaven because they do not know God.........

1 John 3:6

Whosoever abides in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM, NETHER KNOWN HIM.

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we SIN WILLFULLY after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

the chapter continues.........

Hebrews 10:29-31

29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

If we knowingly break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them.............

James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If we are following the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God.............

Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR OWN TRADITION? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.7, You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9, BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God......

Who should we believe God or man?

Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of His judgement has come. We all need to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand and believe the Word of God. Those that love him hear His voice.....
 
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You have been plainly answered in Post 629 where I wrote..........









Then what does it mean to ABIDE in Christ and who are those that know Him............?

Jesus says; Now you are CLEAN THROUGH THE WORD which I have spoken unto you. ABIDE IN ME <the Word>, and I IN YOU. As the branch cannot BEAR FRUIT of itself, except it abide in the vine; NO MORE CAN YOU, except you ABIDE IN ME. I am the vine, ye are the branches: HE THAT ABIDES IN ME AND I IN HIM, the same brings forth much FRUIT: for WITHOUT ME <the Word> YOU CAN DO NOTHING. If a man ABIDE NOT IN ME <the Word>, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye ABIDE IN ME <the Word>, and MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, THAT YOU BARE MUCH FRUIT; SO SHALL YOU BE MY DISCIPLES. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, YOU SHALL ABIDE IN MY LOVE; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love (John 15:3-10).

This is the same as ............

WALK IN THE SPIRIT and you shall NOT FULFILL THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH (Galatians 5:16: 25; Romans 8:1-4; 14)

The keys .........

It is the SPIRIT that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (John 6:63)

You must be born again to know God's power to be free from sin and bare fruit.........

Whosoever ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: < this is the same as John 15:3-10 above> WHOSOEVER SINS <the fruit> hath not seen him, neither known him <not abiding in him>.
Little children, LET KNOW MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; <why?> FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: <What does the seed represent?; Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God - Luke 8:11> and HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD <through faith in God's word>. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother (1 John 3:6-10)

We are born again by faith in God's Word. Faith is the victory......

BEING BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible SEED, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER (1 Peter 1:23).

Faith is the victory...........

For whatsoever is BORN OF GOD OVERCOMES THE WORLD: and THIS IS THE VICTORY THAT OVERCOMES THE WORLD, EVEN OUR FAITH (1 John 5:4).

Let's put it all together.................

It is only through faith by believing and following the word of God that we have victory over sin and know the power of God unto salvation. God's Word is God's power (Jude 1:24; Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 6:7; 1 Peter 1:5) The power of God is according to the Spirit of holiness (Romans 1:4). If we do not know God's Word we do not know his power (Matthew 22:29) If we are sinning we do not know him (1 John 3:6). If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12). Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. If we have unrepentant known sin in our lives we do not know God and are not following him..

The mind of God is the Word of God and we should believe and follow it...

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Well once again, you couldn't answer the simple question the simple question put could you with a yes or no.
So from the above, it appears you claim to commit no sin, yet you also admit you are not perfect. I'm afraid its just contradiction after contradiction.
According to the biblical definition of sin, you do indeed commit sin.
And if the Holy Spirit is not convicting people of their shortcomings/sin, he obviously does not have the place in their life he should have
 
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Well once again, you couldn't answer the simple question the simple question put could you with a yes or no.
So from the above, it appears you claim to commit no sin, yet you also admit you are not perfect. I'm afraid its just contradiction after contradiction. According to the biblical definition of sin, you do indeed commit sin. And if the Holy Spirit is not convicting people of their shortcomings/sin, he obviously does not have the place in their life he should have
Everything has been answered honestly. Maybe you did not like the answer because it does not agree with you. The answer is true because it is God's Word and when His Word is in me I cannot lie so I tell the truth because this is what I believe.
 
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Already answered in the last post, Post 629 and Post # 639. I do not know why you write these stories. Only God's Word is true and we must follow God's Word because it is only God's Word that will judge all of us in the last days. I do not judge you.
I'm afraid you do not understand Gods word. You have a very shallow understanding of it. As I have told you many times, simply reeling off the letter does not enable you to understand the message. You have a limited head theology that has absolutely no bearing on the reality of your life. To believe you never commit sin is, being blinded I am afraid.
 
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Here you go saying things I have not said again when you have been clearly answered in the last post, Post 629 and Post # 639.

The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word?

Do you know the meaning of these scriptures?

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
1John1:8

John sums it up well
 
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Well that is not true. I do indeed have a Savior. It is God's Word that says; that if we practice unrepentant sin we do not know Him (1 John 3:6). As you have stated correctly sin is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). We are told in this same chapter .....

1 John 3:5-10
And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and IN HIM IS NO SIN <this is where we need to abide>. Whosoever ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: < this is the same as John 15:3-10 above> WHOSOEVER SINS <the fruit> HAS NOT SEEN HIM NEITHER KNOWN HIM <not abiding in him>. Little children, LET KNOW MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; <why?> FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: <What does the seed represent?; Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God - Luke 8:11> and HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD <through faith in God's word>. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother

No commentary needed.......

Acts 17:30-31
30, And the TIMES OF IGNORANCE GOD WINKS AT; but NOW COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT: 31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which HE WILL JUDGE THE WORLD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS <see Psalms 119:172> by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

No commentary needed............

If you have unrepentant sin in your life it is God's Word that says you stand guilty before God of breaking his Law and need to seek God in repentance and forgiveness. It is not God's will that you continue in sin........

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.

Romans 6:12
LET NOT SIN REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Romans 6:14
FOR SIN SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15
What then? SHALL WE SIN, because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

If any man does sin...........

1 John 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

If anyone is choosing to live a life of known unrepentant sin God's Word says they will not enter the kingdom of Heaven because they do not know God.........

1 John 3:6

Whosoever abides in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM, NETHER KNOWN HIM.

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we SIN WILLFULLY after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

the chapter continues.........

Hebrews 10:29-31

29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

If we knowingly break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them.............

James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If we are following the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God.............

Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR OWN TRADITION? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.7, You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9, BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God......

Who should we believe God or man?

Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of His judgement has come. We all need to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand and believe the Word of God. Those that love him hear His voice.....
Your literalist understanding of scripture is your undoing.
 
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I'm afraid you do not understand Gods word. You have a very shallow understanding of it. As I have told you many times, simply reeling off the letter does not enable you to understand the message. You have a limited head theology that has absolutely no bearing on the reality of your life. To believe you never commit sin is, being blinded I am afraid.
You words are your own words and you believe them. I trust not my own words because they are deceitful. Only God's Words are true and a lamp to my feet. I do not walk by the things that I see because I am blind. I trust in him who loves me. I believe him so I follow him when he bids me come.
 
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Everything has been answered honestly. Maybe you did not like the answer because it does not agree with you. The answer is true because it is God's Word and when His Word is in me I cannot lie so I tell the truth because this is what I believe.
You haven't plainly answered the questions put for you cannot. Many others also note you do not address their questions either.
 
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You words are your own words and you believe them. I trust not my own words because they are deceitful. Only God's Words are true and a lamp to my feet. I do not walk by the things that I see because I am blind. I trust in him who loves me. I believe him so I follow him when he bids me come.
The law is not based on faith
Gal3:12
I repeat. You have a head theology you preach, based on a literal understanding on the partial letter that has absolutely no bearing on the reality of your own life.
That is most certainly true
 
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The law is not based on faith
Gal3:12 I repeat. You have a head theology you preach, based on a literal understanding on the partial letter that has absolutely no bearing on the reality of your own life.
That is most certainly true

It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.

Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.

Come let us reason together; Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Call upon me while I am near, tomorrow may be too late and why will you die when by my stripes you may be healed. With an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you therefore why will you turn from me? It is hard to kick against the pricks.

Do you know the meaning of the scriptures?
 
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It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.

Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.

Come let us reason together; Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Call upon me while I am near, tomorrow may be too late and why will you die when by my stripes you may be healed. With an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you therefore why will you turn from me? It is hard to kick against the pricks.

Do you know the meaning of the scriptures?
Do you?

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
 
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Some just read and read the literal words of the bible, and formulate head theology based on what they read. But the reality of their lives cannot match the head theology they have.
Which begs the question. How can people convince themselves they do not commit sin?

If the law is written on your mind and placed on your heart, it is in your most inward parts. You cannot hide from your sin. So, can a truly born again Christian, who has the law in their most inward parts, truly believe in their heart they never commit any sin?
I honestly do not see how that is possible
 
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Only on the internet have I come across people who claim to never commit sin
Seems some like to make up their own stories. All I can do without him is sin for I am a sinner but in him is no sin and that is where we should hide. Who am I that he should love me? I love him because he loves me but now I walk by faith in him that loves me and abide in him and he in me. His commands are his promises to me so I can follow him and walk in his ways. The victory that overcomes the world is only found in him and he is the Word that creates all things and works in those who believe. Those that do not believe are still in their sins and do not know him. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
 
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Seems some like to make up their own stories. All I can do without him is sin for I am a sinner but in him is no sin and that is where we should hide. Who am I that he should love me? I love him because he loves me but now I walk by faith in him that loves me and abide in him and he in me. His commands are his promises to me so I can follow him and walk in his ways. The victory that overcomes the world is only found in him and he is the Word that creates all things and works in those who believe. Those that do not believe are still in their sins and do not know him. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Many have their heads so full of theology based on the literal letter, there is no room for the Spirit to work with.

As the bible says:

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

It appears you do not love, or embrace all of Gods word
 
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