one is abolished, one is fulfilled... there is an immediate product that they share.... what is it?
What is the same between an abolished law and a fulfilled law?
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The law stands for those who try and fulfill it on their own from their own strenght and own righteousness. This is why Jesus said unless your righteousness exceed the Pharisees you will not enter the kingdom. Jesus fulfilled the law so we do not have to nor are we held to that, which is why for those under the blood it remains fulfilled through him.
Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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Some scholars say, "Where Israel failed, Jesus, the Israel of God, succeeded." The first son fails, the younger son is chosen. A very common Jewish theme. David instead of Eliab, Christ instead of Adam:
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John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit inkeeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, `We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise upchildren for Abraham. The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.(Luke 3:7-9
Where Israel failed to be a light to the Nations, Jesus, by his life, death, and resurrection, succeeded.
Jesus came to fulfill what Israel failed to achieve
They seem to say Israel could have been the suffering servant, the lamb without blemish, if she had been faithful. Does this view hold water?
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Their immediate product? An ending.
To abolish the law would be to throw it out 'before' it is consummated.
To end it properly gives it an end with purpose. Specifically, pointing the way forward.
Forgive me...
To abolish the law would be to throw it out 'before' it is consummated.
To end it properly gives it an end with purpose. Specifically, pointing the way forward.
Forgive me...
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He did. As he said, it is finished.
For instance, the law would say no movement on a Sabbath.
Christ laid in the grave and fulfilled it.
Forgive me...
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The reason for the law, was that we would know one that was perfect in every way. We would recognize HIM. We would know that GOD walked among us.
Blessed is the man, the man who walks not, in the council of the wicked. Psalm 1 (about Christ Jesus)
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Blessed is the man, the man who walks not, in the council of the wicked. Psalm 1 (about Christ Jesus)
Forgive me...
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I don't have a view on this, so I'm genuinely exploring. Thanks for being a sounding board:
Proverbs 27:17
17Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.
Has heaven and earth passed away?
Matthew 5:18
"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
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"It is finished." ~ Jesus Christ on the cross.
If we read this in the original text, we see this as another one of those phrases that belongs to the 1st century and doesn't translate the way we might expect for modern ears.
Sort of like... "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."
We are actually asking to be led "away from temptation", but that's not what we hear in translation.
We are left with a beginning of a statement that ends a different way. Give it some thought as a literary device.
Forgive me...
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Lol! (j/k)
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You know... in the East we never use that 'payment' analogy. When we speak of the gift, we say it was offered to the Father out of Christ's willing love. We speak of the abolishment of death in a way that shows cooperation and not conflict resolution. We see a love 'offering' of self. Something planned and hidden from the beginning in fore--knowledge.
Do you think that 'payment idea' sets up an idea of an angry Father?
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How can we share in His work if it is "finished":
Colossians 1:24
24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions.
Philippians 3:7-11
7But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
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This is from HIS perspective, not ours. We have much to do.
Christ's resurrection marks the completion of all that "will be done" towards mans salvation. He announces that the eternal plan is completed. The rest is up to us.
God is giving us the rest of time to do so.
In simplicity? Raise up Christians!
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No. Why would it?
Remember that the concept of "covenant" is not limited to a God-man covenant. Men made covenants between each other all the time. Society was based on honest covenant making and faithful covenant keeping. Good friends made covenants and good covenants made good friends. When a covenant was successfully fulfilled, that laid a good foundation of faith for future covenants.
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Because there those out there who teach an angry Father payoff. You may be right... payment may not be the linchpin word. I'm just offering it for conversation.
Forgive me...
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But Jesus has now obtained a superior ministry, and to that degree He is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been legally enacted on better promises. -- Hebrews 8
We have entered into a new covenant with God.
A covenant contains promises made by both parties. God has made promises to us; we have made promises to God. Compared to the first covenant, both parties of the new covenant have made better promises. We both have agreed to more than the old covenant required of either.
The old covenant did not promise everlasting life; the old covenant did not require the Sermon on the Mount.
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My pastor offered up a "thought" (Ummm...maybe it was more than that, an assertion, a prophecy? He was going ballistic in his Pentecostal blowout...).
He said Jesus's work washed away all the previous sins. Our work washes away the sins committed after He ascended.
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