Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

JacksBratt said:

Building an airplane to fly..... this was well within the abilities of man.

There is no human capability of living a sinless life. It is beyond our ability.

The parallel is not representative.

We can build an airplane.

We cannot earn or do anything to achieve salvation.

We are saved through Christ and live our lives out, here on earth, striving to live as righteously as we are able.

Some live much more outwardly visible Christian walk.

Some struggle more with their trials, hurdles and demons.......yet despite these worldly conflicts within them... are bound for heaven. Just as assuredly as Dr. Billy Graham or even any of the apostles.

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When the Lord "FORGAVE" you "SAVED" you and "QUICKENED" you and "DWELLS" within you...
ask yourself WHY.

Did He do those things, Because you didn't believe in, know, love, your mom and dad?
And from the moment of your natural birth, did you believe in, know, love, your mom and dad?

He did those things Because, WHEN you were naturally born, you didn't believe in Him, know Him, love Him. It is ALL about your relationship WITH GOD. You were born AGAINST HIM.
And when you chose to STAND WITH HIM, everything, EVERYTHING changed.

There is no human capability of living a sinless life. It is beyond our ability.

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Of course you can not live a SIN-LESS life. You were born in sin. You do not become UNBORN to that sin. You don't shed that skin like a snake. Deal with it. It is flesh that is going to drape your bones until "it's" life (which is it's blood), stops keeping it alive.

All your sin from birth was AGAINST GOD. Now that you are in STANDING WITH GOD -
THINK about it - Can your mind, your heart, your soul, your spirit, think, speak, AGAINST GOD?

Try it- YOU CAN"T!!

You can't. Can you? Or do you have to TRY not to think and speak AGAINST GOD? Nah!

The Truth is; your FLESH sinned against God. And your FLESH was sentenced to DEATH.
The Truth is; your FLESH death WILL be accomplished. It is already pronounced, and will come to pass.

The Truth is; God has provided a WAY, called Jesus, for YOUR STANDING AGAINST God to be forgiven.
If your reached out and claimed YOUR SALVATION, and WAS Forgiven, saved, born again.....

Why do you preach YOU STILL STAND AGAINST GOD?
Why do you preach YOU try, You can not accomplish sinning no more?

Take the test again - Try "TO" think or speak against God. Do it!! YOU CAN'T!!!

Your sin against God has been forgiven, and forward, you can SIN NO MORE!!

It is not by YOUR power, IT IS BY HIS POWER within you!! He has given you FULL- faithfulness in Him.
You can not reject Him, think against Him, speak against Him, ever!

YOU can sin no more!! 1 John 3

Does that make you, never having committed sin? no
Does that make you, sinless? no

No, that makes you forgiven and standing with God, who FREED you FROM sin.

So what about your thoughts and words, that may be about OTHER men? What about them? Are they sins? How can they be? Doesn't scripture tell YOU to forgive men, and for MEN to forgive you?

ARE YOU God? No. Only God forgives sin. So WHAT are YOU forgiving or other MEN forgiving?
Trespasses, NOT SIN.

And what exactly do you think is "YOUR supposed" SIN, that you keep saying you do, but try hard not to? Drink too much? Skip work? Cheated your spouse? Lied and told someone you would do something, then didn't? AND? Which one of those things could have caused you to testify AGAINST God? NONE! And which one of those things, would have involved another person? ALL of them.

And what did God say to do, when you wrong another? Deal with it, with your asking THEM, not God, for forgiveness, and YOU pay or fix damages.

God already had you covered. He declared your flesh against Him, and your flesh shall die for that.
You declared your repentance, and He forgave you. Why don't you trust, what occurred between YOU AND GOD, and stop trying to make what occurs between you and men, EQUAL, to what occurred between you and GOD?

SIN is against God. Only God forgives SIN. And once He forgives you, you can sin no more.

Trespasses are between men, and men do the forgiving one to the other.

God Bless,
SBC

Archivist said:

No, saying that you are a sinner is a statement of fact. I’m a sinner too we all sin and come short of the glory of God, and if we say we are without sin the truth is not in us.

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This is the second time you've quoted the same two scriptures that refer to the unsaved that still need Christ inside them and not just on the outside still knocking at the door of their heart, and apply them to Christians who already have Christ and His Spirit and are dead to sin.

I've seen many do that to justify their own sinful nature that has never experienced being reborn. They think they are good enough with just the law, and don't need Christ. Does that apply to you, or are you or your teachers/denomination just ignorant of the CONTEXT of those two scriptures? Don't seek your denomination's approval; seek God's!

Archivist said:

The example you offered is of righteous anger. That is not a sin. Please read what I wrote. I specifically said becoming angry with someone when they were in fact in the right. That is unjustified anger and it is a sin.

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Never mind, if you are unable to understand what an Oxymoron is, I can't expect you to understand anything else.

genez said:

You need to learn what the Bible says and stop being ruled by your wishful desired outcome.

Please... read carefully. Romans 7:15-20.

The Apostle Paul....

15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me."


Then Paul continues to describe the battle that all born again believers must face at some time in their maturing process. And, will face it, if the Holy Spirit can get through to them. Problem is... Dull self righteousness remains numb. The Spirit is grieved and quenched when a self righteous believer fails to admit the truth that he chooses to deny as a means to save his delusion about himself. That is why Jesus said if we want to save our life, we will lose it. But, if we lose it for the sake of Christ? We will find it! The new life that can only be had in the power of the Spirit when a believer humbly submits to the Truth...


21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

If you never experience that in your post salvation life? You are not living the needed life to gain the life God wants us to have in Christ. We must decrease, so he can increase. We can not decrease if we can not see what it is that gets in the way. That is why Jesus had such a hatred for the mind set of the Pharisees. They thought they were above being sinners... Its one reason why they are mentioned in the Bible. For believers who think like them must see what their problem is before God's grace can overcome it. Paul was the worst of Pharisees at one time. His example leaves all the little pharisees amongst us to be without excuse before God. .

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You need to Confess, and Repent of that anger, before it eats you up.

With all of the Blah, Blah, Blah, there has yet to be seen, verses which definitively say.

1) Christians do not commit Willful sin.
2) Christians do commit Unknown sin.
3) Christians go through a process of being perfected.

These are viewpoints on the Christian condition, but without any Verification, that is all they will ever be, Viewpoints.

JacksBratt said:

There is no human capable of living a sinless life. It is beyond our ability.

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You are absolutely correct, that is exactly the reason Jesus died.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

JIMINZ said:

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NO, NO, NO, and NO.

But, if you call yourself a sinner, then you are a sinner.

I call myself a Christian, set free from sin, by Jesus Christ.

I cannot sin, because I am born of God and His seed resides within me.

Christians are.
Dead to the Flesh.
Dead to the Law.
Dead to Sin.

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Christians are also seated together with Christ in Heaven, (Ephesians 1:6) but as with being Dead to the Flesh, the Law and Sin, this is their positional status, which in practice they are to seek to live out. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. (Galatians 5:25)

But insomuch as we fail to fully do so, then we are sinners, and to deny that have sinned is to deny Christ: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

For believers can sin: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1)

As for, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God," (1 John 3:9) A.T. Robertson states,

The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jo_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jo_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jo_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).

James is clearly addressing believers in James 4, and clearly calls them "sinners:"

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (James 4:8-11)

Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (1 Timothy 5:19-20)

JIMINZ said:

With all of the Blah, Blah, Blah, there has yet to be seen, verses which definitively say.
1) Christians do not commit Willful sin.

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Christians are warned (n being addressed as Christians) against committing will-full (versus out of weakness) sin:

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:1-4)

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:25-27)

2) Christians do commit Unknown sin.

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Christians are nowhere promised omniscience or such a change from OT believers that they cannot ignorantly commit sins. as OT believers could. (Numbers 15:25,26; Leviticus 4:2; Leviticus 4:13; Leviticus 4:22; Leviticus 4:27; Leviticus 5:15)

3) Christians go through a process of being perfected.

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Denying that Christians go through a process of being (practically) perfected is ignorance, if not a sin.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Ephesians 4:11-13)

But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. (1 Peter 5:10)

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 1:4-8)

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. (2 Peter 3:18)

Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: (Colossians 3:2-10)

Notice the affirmation of what they are positionally is followed by appeal to live as one dead to sin, but alive to Christ. Which appeal means they had not arrived at that level.

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. (Philippians 3:12-15)

Both Paul's redeemed status as well as his striving for perfection of character are both realities, which he exhorts all to be part of as believers whose citizenship is already in glory:

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. (Philippians 3:15)
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Philippians 3:20-21)

Paul, who said "I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better, (Philippians 1:23) yet strove " toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus," to "apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ," that of conformity to Christ, to attain to being like a resurrected believer as much as he could be in this life.

HOWEVER, this growth towards perfection of character only takes place in this life, with its trials and temptations, thus it was here that "in bringing many sons unto glory," God made the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings [not as growth, but complete in being "in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin"]. (Hebrews 2:10; 4:15)

True believers are already accepted in the Beloved, and positionally seated together with Him in Heaven, and have boldness to enter into the holy of holies, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6; Heb. 10:19; cf. Phil. 3:21) and will go to be with the Lord at death or at His return. . (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) Note in the latter case all believers were assured that if the Lord returned, which they expected in their lifetime, so would they “ever be with the Lord.” (1Thes. 4:17) though they were still undergoing growth in grace, as was Paul, who expressed he would go to be with the Lord at death, yet was not already perfect. (Phil. 3:10f)

PeaceByJesus said:

Christians are also seated together with Christ in Heaven, (Ephesians 1:6) but as with being Dead to the Flesh, the Law and Sin, this is their positional status, which in practice they are to seek to live out. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. (Galatians 5:25)

But insomuch as we fail to fully do so, then we are sinners, and to deny that have sinned is to deny Christ: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

For believers can sin: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1)

As for, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God," (1 John 3:9) A.T. Robertson states,

The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jo_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jo_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jo_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).

James is clearly addressing believers in James 4, and clearly calls them "sinners:"

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (James 4:8-11)

Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (1 Timothy 5:19-20)

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Your right Paul did say that, but he finished his though by saying.

Rom 6:2-6
2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, I know, but who is A.T.Robertson?

1stcenturylady said:

Hi again, Kenny LOL

When you read Romans 8:9, that we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, do you believe Paul is referring to after we receive our immortal body? I ask, because many seem to believe that. I don't. I believe we are not in the flesh, if we walk in the Spirit, now.

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It's a little of both... we can walk on the spirit now but we are still trapped in fleshly bodies. Just look in the mirror... have you aged? Is there decay? Disease? Death? The wages of sin is death and we still die which means Yeshua has paid the price and earned the right to perfect us, but we remain (at this time) imperfect. When he comes we will be changed, until then we are what we are.

genez said:

You said...

Paul was saying he was the chief of pesha... he was using chata'ah, no other word fits there.​

Did you mean to say?

Paul was saying he was not the chief of pesha... he was using chata'ah, no other word fits there.​

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Thanks... an oversight that ended up making no sense at all. Thank you for taking the time to point that out... I did just edit that post.

JIMINZ said:

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Your right Paul did say that, but he finished his though by saying.

Rom 6:2-6
2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

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And? Are you actually arguing that Paul was saying that Christians cannot sin any longer, versus as showed via Scripture upon Scripture, that appeal is made to the positional status of believers that they should live accordingly? Thus "we also should walk in newness of life," and the exhortation that you you left out:

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (Romans 6:11-12)

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (Romans 6:19)

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, I know, but who is A.T.Robertson?

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And what evil spirit said that? In the light of his surpassing knowledge of Greek it is more like the spiritual men saying, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who is JIMINZ?

I know that the Holy Spirit said,
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16)

Neogaia777 said:

Did Paul consider himself a "sinner"?, How many of which disciples/apostles think of themselves as sinners...? Are we supposed to think of ourselves or consider ourselves as sinners...? Even after we say we are saved...?

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Neogaia777,

1. There are different views on this subject and must go by context.

2. The literal view in Galatians 5:19-21, is the word commit and it is talking to Christians. Those that commit sin would not inherit the KoG.
If sin brings one out of harmony with God then the logic is to repent after each sin.
It is true it only took one sin to damn Adam to hell.
Those who believe this would say that it would take commuting a death penalty sin to lose one's salvation. At the same time the Spirit will automatically convict and one has the choice to Repent or not.
It is said this position brings the spirit of the law on a person. This is one view.

3. There is another that says God is looking more at the heart than a legalistic tally for Revelation 2 says he looks upon the reins of the heart etc. Unconditional Eternal Security can enter her or even the first one as well.

3. Another is that a Christian can be called a sinner because he commits a sin.
A Christian can say he is not a sinner because he has been saved from sin.
A truthful person is not a liar. Why? Because he's truthful. At the same time a truthful could tell a lie.

4. Paul said one could serve one master at a time. You are either a saint or a sinner but you can't be both at the same time. But a saint could become a sinner and a sinner could become a saint.

5. I'm just a sinner saved by grace by itself is an oxymoron and doesn't separate us from the world.
If said in the context of what the past life was it would be right.

6. In Roman's 6 there were those who sinned to magnify grace more and so this would fall into the category of a sinner saved by grace in an exaltation way.
For some it is we're only human because they don't want to get puffed up. This is not thinking much about the power of God helping to overcome sin. I have to go but this is a little food for thought. Jerry kelso

PeaceByJesus said:

Christians are warned (n being addressed as Christians) against committing will-full (versus out of weakness) sin:

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:1-4)

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So is the above addressing Willful Sin or, Unknown Sin?

JIMINZ said:

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Your right Paul did say that, but he finished his though by saying.

Rom 6:2-6
2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, I know, but who is A.T.Robertson?

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What does Koine Greek scholar AT Robertson have to do with this?

PeaceByJesus said:

And? Are you actually arguing that Paul was saying that Christians cannot sin any longer, versus as showed via Scripture upon Scripture, that appeal is made to the positional status of believers that they should live accordingly? Thus "we also should walk in newness of life," and the exhortation that you you left out:

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (Romans 6:11-12)

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (Romans 6:19)

And what evil spirit said that? In the light of his surpassing knowledge of Greek it is more like the spiritual men saying, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who is?

I know that the Holy Spirit said,
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16)

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Am I supposed to think highly of this A.T. Robertson because you do?

I have never heard of the man.

I have quoted Apostles, and you don't believe them, you don't respect my position on the issue, but I am supposed to honor yours?

I don't think we have anything further to discuss.
You have a good evening.

redleghunter said:

What does Koine Greek scholar AT Robertson have to do with this?

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You will have to ask PeaceByJesus Post #267

JIMINZ said:

Am I supposed to think highly of this A.T. Robertson because you do?

I have never heard of the man.

I have quoted Apostles, and you don't believe them, you don't respect my position on the issue, but I am supposed to honor yours?

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Who do you think translates the Bibles we have today? Guys like Robertson did.

redleghunter said:

Who do you think translates the Bibles we have today? Guys like Robertson did.

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He translated the 1611 KJV WOW?!

JIMINZ said:

He translated the 1611 KJV WOW?!

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My point was those who know the languages.