Yahwah is the source of life immortal

CherubRam · Oct 20, 2017

Living Water of Life.
Yahwah is the source of life immortal.

Jeremiah 2:13
“My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Jeremiah 17:13
Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken Yahwah, the spring of living water.

John 4:14
but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

Zechariah 14:8
On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
Psalm 135:21
Praise be to Yahwah from Zion, to Him who dwells in Jerusalem. Praise Yahwah.
After Yahwah has made all things new He will dwell in Jerusalem.

John 4:10
Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

John 4:11
“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

PrettyboyAndy · Oct 20, 2017

CherubRam said:
Living Water of Life.
Yahwah is the source of life immortal.

Jeremiah 2:13
“My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Jeremiah 17:13
Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken Yahwah, the spring of living water.

John 4:14
but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

Zechariah 14:8
On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
Psalm 135:21
Praise be to Yahwah from Zion, to Him who dwells in Jerusalem. Praise Yahwah.
After Yahwah has made all things new He will dwell in Jerusalem.

John 4:10
Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

John 4:11
“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

Wow didn't realize there were this many verses on this

Open Heart · Oct 20, 2017

CherubRam said:
Living Water of Life.
Yahwah is the source of life immortal.

I have no argument with you. The LORD is the source of everything that is, our very life and being, including our immortal lives.

Lulav · Oct 21, 2017

Yes, the one and only source of life.

Water contains life in many different ways.

There is life in water that can only be HaShem working through it.

It reminds me of experiments done on water to see how it is effected by words and the symbiosis of the two.

Heber Book List · Oct 21, 2017

Water is often a metaphor for Torah

CherubRam · Oct 21, 2017

Heber Book List said:
Water is often a metaphor for Torah

Show us the scriptures that support that?

Heber Book List · Oct 21, 2017

CherubRam said:
Show us the scriptures that support that?

The metaphor is self evident - or do you really think, for example, that following the Greatest Day of the Feast, water started pouring from those who believed in Yeshua and drank freely of him? Or that the woman at the well, in asking for the water that means she will never have to drink again, was given some sort of magic water that existed inside certain people, so that they never needed real water again? Or that John simply introduced baptism to the world, as a good idea at the time, and that it was not linked to the people needing to return to Torah by publicly repenting of their former laxity. John declined to dip Yeshua because he knew that Yeshua was Torah, as John witnessed in his letter, and therefore could not repent of not following the Law. Yeshua was dipped as a part of him being appointed King of the Jews. Etc etc.

The Church took on the same metaphor, to a certain extent, by requiring those who were to be baptised by total immersion, to learn a catechism - the 'laws' by which the Church measured sufficient knowledge for a person to be admitted as a member of the Christian faith. It is the water that is the key component.

Please note that water is not always a metaphor for Torah, it depends on the context

Lulav · Oct 21, 2017

Heber Book List said:
Water is often a metaphor for Torah

I'm going to take that as you mean 'Living water' there is a difference. I just heard a sermon last night and they were speaking of visiting Israel and how the Jordon is considered 'Living water' but the Dead Sea which it flows into is not.

I think it 's about washing away the unclean to make clean.

As far as Torah being water It makes it a bit difficult to understand Paul where he says:

They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Lulav · Oct 21, 2017

Since immersion was an ancient custom and amongst the laws of purity from Mt Sinai it was not foreign that John was doing this, and in the #1 way, in the Jordan, in living water (see below, #6).

It is also interesting that the word Mikvah means a gathering of water or waters and also is related to the word 'tikvah' known mostly as 'Hope'.

From Tractate Mivaoth, Babylonian Talmud, Mishnah 1-8
There are six degrees of gatherings of water, each superior to the other.
1.The water of pits… The same rules apply to the water of pits, the water of cisterns, the water of ditches, the water of caverns, the water of rain drippings which have stopped, and mikwehs of less than forty se’ahs: they are all clean during the time of rain; when the rain has stopped those near to a city or to a road are unclean, and those distant remain clean until the majority of people pass [that way].
2.Superior to such [water] is the water of rain drippings which have not stopped.
3.Superior to such [water] is [the water of] the mikveh containing forty se’ahs, for in it persons may immerse themselves and immerse others.
4.Superior again is [the water of] a fountain whose own water is little but has been increased by a greater quantity of drawn water; it is equivalent to the mikveh inasmuch as it may render clean by standing water, and to an [ordinary] fountain in as much as one may immerse in it whatever the quantity of its contents.
5.Superior again are ‘smitten waters’ which can render clean even when flowing.
6. Superior again are ‘living waters’ which serve for the immersion of persons who have a running issue and for the sprinkling of lepers, and are valid for the preparation of the water of purification.

Heber Book List · Oct 21, 2017

Lulav said:
I'm going to take that as you mean 'Living water' there is a difference. I just heard a sermon last night and they were speaking of visiting Israel and how the Jordon is considered 'Living water' but the Dead Sea which it flows into is not.

I think it 's about washing away the unclean to make clean.

As far as Torah being water It makes it a bit difficult to understand Paul where he says:

They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Try Isaiah 25:10-11 as a very clear use of the metaphor.

The Isaiah version of the misquote in Luke 3:4-6 is about someone shouting 'in the desert (of your hearts)...', (see the Tanach) and not the wrong version shown in Luke, where punctuation has been altered to make it fit John in the desert! There are many metaphors from which to choose, but not all have the prefix of 'living', though I agree Torah is the Living Word.

Philo allegorised the Paul quote as the 'word and wisdom of G_d' - that may be at the root of that line of thought. Some scholars take it that Paul is speaking about the fact that the water came courtesy of the Holy Spirit and, over the years, this has been shortened to 'spiritual'.

However, as already stated, it is not always the case that water = Torah; only the context will show if it is being used as a metaphor.

Heber Book List · Oct 21, 2017

Lulav said:
Since immersion was an ancient custom and amongst the laws of purity from Mt Sinai it was not foreign that John was doing this, and in the #1 way, in the Jordan, in living water (see below, #6).

It is also interesting that the word Mikvah means a gathering of water or waters and also is related to the word 'tikvah' known mostly as 'Hope'.

From Tractate Mivaoth, Babylonian Talmud, Mishnah 1-8
There are six degrees of gatherings of water, each superior to the other.
1.The water of pits… The same rules apply to the water of pits, the water of cisterns, the water of ditches, the water of caverns, the water of rain drippings which have stopped, and mikwehs of less than forty se’ahs: they are all clean during the time of rain; when the rain has stopped those near to a city or to a road are unclean, and those distant remain clean until the majority of people pass [that way].
2.Superior to such [water] is the water of rain drippings which have not stopped.
3.Superior to such [water] is [the water of] the mikveh containing forty se’ahs, for in it persons may immerse themselves and immerse others.
4.Superior again is [the water of] a fountain whose own water is little but has been increased by a greater quantity of drawn water; it is equivalent to the mikveh inasmuch as it may render clean by standing water, and to an [ordinary] fountain in as much as one may immerse in it whatever the quantity of its contents.
5.Superior again are ‘smitten waters’ which can render clean even when flowing.
6. Superior again are ‘living waters’ which serve for the immersion of persons who have a running issue and for the sprinkling of lepers, and are valid for the preparation of the water of purification.

Please note that, as I have said, not every mention of water is a metaphor for Torah. John's immersion was one of forgiveness - forgiveness for not being obedient to Torah. This took place to prepare them to meet Torah in flesh and blood - Yeshua, the Word. John introduced what he was doing in these terms, I believe.

AbbaLove · Oct 21, 2017

Heber Book List said:
There are many metaphors from which to choose, but not all have the prefix of 'living', though I agree Torah is the Living Word.
However, as already stated, it is not always the case that water = Torah; only the context will show if it is being used as a metaphor.

Lulav said:
As far as Torah being water It makes it a bit difficult to understand Paul where he says:
They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Isaiah 55:1-3 could be one of Paul's most treasured that he drew upon when it comes to 'water' as a spiritual metaphor. These 3 verses in Isaiah 55 may also seem a bit difficult to understand spiritually--being a metaphor.

1 All you who are thirsty, come to the water! You without money, come, buy,
and eat! Yes, come! Buy wine and milk without money — it’s free!
2 Why spend money for what isn’t food, your wages for what doesn’t satisfy?
Listen carefully to me, and you will eat well, you will enjoy the fat of the land.
3 Open your ears, and come to me; listen well, and you will live — I will make
an everlasting covenant with you, the grace I assured David.

Heber Book List · Oct 21, 2017

AbbaLove said:
Isaiah 55:1-3 could be one of Paul's most treasured that he drew upon when it comes to 'water' as a spiritual metaphor. These 3 verses in Isaiah 55 may also seem a bit difficult to understand spiritually--being a metaphor.

1 All you who are thirsty, come to the water! You without money, come, buy,
and eat! Yes, come! Buy wine and milk without money — it’s free!
2 Why spend money for what isn’t food, your wages for what doesn’t satisfy?
Listen carefully to me, and you will eat well, you will enjoy the fat of the land.
3 Open your ears, and come to me; listen well, and you will live — I will make
an everlasting covenant with you, the grace I assured David.

No problems with that - what problem do you see?

AbbaLove · Oct 21, 2017

Heber Book List said:
No problems with that - what problem do you see?

seems to be an Age-Old Problem with mankind

1 Corinthians 2:14 - Bible Gateway
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