Religous freedom versus Child neglect

Zoii said:

JS do not accept blood products,

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I think you mean "JW" as in Jehovah Witness. They are not Christians as they deny the divinity of Christ.

Zoii said:

Yes.... if you like i can provide you the links.... JS do not accept blood products, while many denominatiobs do not accept medical attention.

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Many? i highly doubt that.

FMG though does not apply to christians as far as I am aware, but to other Nth African religions including Ngai and islam

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I suspected you were referring to 'Nth African religions', but it wasn't that clear.

Dave-W said:

Since it surfaced in the gnostic community a century after Peter died.

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The earliest copy may date from the 2nd century but that doesn't mean it wasn't written earlier. Even if it wasn't written by the Apostle Peter that doesn't mean it's not scripture. Why couldn't God have inspired a Christian in the gnostic community to write scripture 100 years after all the apostles died?

samir said:

The earliest copy may date from the 2nd century but that doesn't mean it wasn't written earlier.

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There is zero evidence for the gnostic gospels being written in the same time as the NT.

Even if it wasn't written by the Apostle Peter that doesn't mean it's not scripture.

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It's not scripture because it's not consistent with the rest.

Why couldn't God have inspired a Christian in the gnostic community to write scripture 100 years after all the apostles died?

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Why would He choose a false religion to join in?

samir said:

Why couldn't God have inspired a Christian in the gnostic community to write scripture 100 years after all the apostles died?

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Nothing that came out of the gnostic community should be considered "scripture." They were exceedingly deceived and wrote documents (supposedly from the apostles) to support their deception.

Zoii said:

Yes I meant JW. It's just that they would define themselves as Christians. My point though was there are many denominations with in Christianity alone, with some of the minor denominations having belief systems that can lead to child harm in some circumstances.

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..or so they told you..

Hieronymus said:

There is zero evidence for the gnostic gospels being written in the same time as the NT.
It's not scripture because it's not consistent with the rest.Why would He choose a false religion to join in?

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The largest two groups were Catholic and Gnostic. If you're not Catholic, how do you know the Catholic group wasn't the false religion and the Gnostics the true Christian religion?

Well, for starters, the gnostics believe/d that the material world was bad or evil, and only spirit was good.

We know this to be false; God created the material world and called it good. Christ came in the flesh, and his incarnation was not an entrapment or descent into evil but a free choice undertaken for the loving service of creation. The eschatological hope is not for the removal of the material world but of its renewal in its essential goodness.

Gnosticism, even on this one key point, is incompatible with basic Christian belief.

(It is also not something which can be debated outside Controversial Christian Theology, so if you want to continue this discussion, I suggest you start a thread there).

Zoii said:

My point though was there are many denominations with in Christianity alone, with some of the minor denominations having belief systems that can lead to child harm in some circumstances.

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Unfortunately I would have to agree with you on that.

Paidiske said:

Gnosticism, even on this one key point, is incompatible with basic Christian belief.

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Amen! Preach it sister!

Its not just about religion. There are people who support alternative and natural medicines and therapies who can cause harm to themselves and their children. There are parents who do not believe that immunization works and choose not to immunize their children and they end up getting sick and in some cases die.

stevevw said:

There are parents who do not believe that immunization works and choose not to immunize their children and they end up getting sick and in some cases die.

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It is not so much about the immunizations not working as it is the point they believe is immunizations cause other serious damage like autism.

The autism claim was based on faked data. It has been thoroughly debunked, and it is totally irresponsible to repeat it.

Paidiske said:

The autism claim was based on faked data. It has been thoroughly debunked, and it is totally irresponsible to repeat it.

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I know that. But there are many who are still clinging to it.

Zoii said:

Should a religous practice be permitted to extend to actions, either direct or by ommission, that result in harm to a child.

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NO.

Hey Zoli! I'm once again coming upon one of your threads at a very late hour when my eyes are protesting that I'm keeping them open, so this is brief. I wanted to recommend a book about this topic that might be of interest to you.

Review: ‘The Children Act,’ by Ian McEwan

A movie adaptation of it has been made, but I don't think it's been released in the US or Australia yet.

Dave-W said:

It is not so much about the immunizations not working as it is the point they believe is immunizations cause other serious damage like autism.

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A belief based on 1 study by a guy that was found to have lied in 1997, yet the study didn't even get much attention until many years later.

-_- furthermore, that demands extreme ignorance about autism. Autistic people show symptoms as early as six months of age, and to be blunt, I highly doubt a child older than 2 would have any risk of developing it as a newly acquired disorder. A 10 year old most certainly won't, yet anti-vax people act as if age is irrelevant to autism. Also, anyone that would rather risk their child die from the flu and spread it to other kids over their kid becoming autistic doesn't deserve that child.