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I am a Christian Antinatalist. I do not want to be married for several reasons but one is that I do not want to have children. I feel that the world is not a safe place and I do not want to bring children into the world.

Since no child is born that God did not intend and since He intends children as a blessing, you have put yourself distinctly at odds with your Maker in your disinterest in having children. Now, perhaps you are one of those natural eunuchs Paul speaks of, who are entirely comfortable living without any sexual dimension to their lives. But if not, if you are sexually active but refuse to let doing so result in children, then you mistake quite profoundly God's view of procreation and the fundamental purpose of human sexuality.

God is more than able to care for the children He brings into the world. No child suffers except their Maker allows it. And if He allows it, He has some good reason for doing so. It seems you don't believe this, however.

I feel peace knowing my children will never hurt, because they will never be born.

If you bear no children, you have no children about whom to feel at peace.

I have experienced alot of pain in my life and I don't feel life is good.

And why should your painful life necessarily be the life your children will have? Not everyone who lives endures an unending chain of pain and horror. And even in the midst of such a life there is God who in knowing we find even a painful life worth enduring.
 
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Hi Bluerose

I have 4 kids, I always wanted children because, like you, I love them.

That said I often wonder what on earth I've done when I watch the news and see the state that this world is now in (and perhaps always has been). Every time we have another one I say "No more!" for various reasons, financial, practical, e.g. bigger house, bigger car etc. but also because of my concerns and anxiety about keeping them all safe.

Let me give you an example, my third boy has a peanut allergy and so I worry about keeping him safe every day and preventing him from having a life threatening allergic reaction, my anxiety about this is highlighted in a dream I had recently called "Oh Nuts!" posted on this forum.

In the grand scheme of things this is by no means the worst thing that could possibly happen to him or any other child, but does that mean they would be better off not having been born? I don't think so. God has a plan and a purpose for everyone of us ("no matter how small" to quote Dr. Seuss) and He wants to give us all a chance to fulfil it.

Yes lots of bad things can and do happen to children in this world, some don't make it past their first sunset, others don't even get born (and I cannot explain why this is so except that we live in a fallen world) but a long safe life does not always = a good saved life, sometimes those who burn for only a little while burn brightest and best!

On a personal note, I don't think I fully appreciated just how much God loves me until I had kids. For Him to send His only son to die for me, that is truly .... sorry I just cannot find the right word! I'm not saying that you cannot fully appreciate this without children, just that having kids has helped for me.

Finally, I don't know about your church but in mine my boys make up half of the Sunday School, now we're doing some outreach to try and address this soon but it's a big problem in churches, especially in western society I believe.

Congregations are getting older and dying off. Churches here in the UK are actually closing as a result of this, partly because we are not doing enough to reach out to kids and 'gather in the harvest' but also because we're not 'growing our own' as it were.

Non-Christians aren't going to stop having kids, it's just about the only 'commandment' of God they do keep anymore, but if Christians do then the world won't get any better, the lamp will not only be hidden under the bushel it will also be completely extinguished (with the exception of God revealing himself in person to individuals)!

However, I appreciate that this is a very personal choice each of us has to weigh carefully. If by not having children it means that you can serve Christ better (perhaps by working with children who are already lost and broken or in another way) then I believe that is perfectly acceptable to God.
 
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Does that make it any less true, or at the very least, make you question your harsh comment towards the OP?

I was not going to elaborate, but since you continue to ask. Celibacy is a choice that is lead by the Spirit. The context of Paul's statement was to further the Gospel. Jesus also made that statement that some men are called to celibacy (in KJV the term "eunuch" is used). In both cases we are talking about a dedication to God. Verse 6 in 1 Cor. 7 makes it clear that Paul's statement is not a command of God.

You think that my statement that it makes Satan happy is harsh? The reasons given by the OP are not in the Spirit of Christ. Consider again what he says:

"I do not want to be married for several reasons but one is that I do not want to have children. I feel that the world is not a safe place and I do not want to bring children into the world. I think children are beautiful but because of what I have experienced in life it shows me that life is not a safe place and not compassionate. I feel peace knowing my children will never hurt, because they will never be born. I have experienced alot of pain in my life and I don't feel life is good."​

These are all selfish reasons. If everyone made this choice, simply because there is pain in the world, then we would be extinct as a people. There is no mention of wanting to further the kingdom of God as Paul and Jesus allude to. His reasons are drawn from the globalist propaganda that is satanically inspired who wants to reduce the world's population down to the millions instead of the billions. These globalists own the media and have been actively undermining the nuclear family in portraying dads as unreliable morons and encouraging women to have careers instead of marriages. His self pitying reasons filled with fear does not come from God. There is no nobility in his statements, only unbelief in the power of God.

God wants babies born. He wants them born his way in committed marriages and families, but still wants all babies born even if they come about the wrong way. Not being willing to live life because there is also evil, sin and death is a loser's attitude. Life is good, because God is Life. Sin is bad, but it is impotent compared to our omnipotent God.

Everyone who makes such decisions based upon fear serves Satan and makes Satan happy.
 
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I was not going to elaborate, but since you continue to ask. Celibacy is a choice that is lead by the Spirit. The context of Paul's statement was to further the Gospel. Jesus also made that statement that some men are called to celibacy (in KJV the term "eunuch" is used). In both cases we are talking about a dedication to God. Verse 6 in 1 Cor. 7 makes it clear that Paul's statement is not a command of God.

You think that my statement that it makes Satan happy is harsh? The reasons given by the OP are not in the Spirit of Christ. Consider again what he says:

"I do not want to be married for several reasons but one is that I do not want to have children. I feel that the world is not a safe place and I do not want to bring children into the world. I think children are beautiful but because of what I have experienced in life it shows me that life is not a safe place and not compassionate. I feel peace knowing my children will never hurt, because they will never be born. I have experienced alot of pain in my life and I don't feel life is good."​

These are all selfish reasons. If everyone made this choice, simply because there is pain in the world, then we would be extinct as a people. There is no mention of wanting to further the kingdom of God as Paul and Jesus allude to. His reasons are drawn from the globalist propaganda that is satanically inspired who wants to reduce the world's population down to the millions instead of the billions. These globalists own the media and have been actively undermining the nuclear family in portraying dads as unreliable morons and encouraging women to have careers instead of marriages. His self pitying reasons filled with fear does not come from God. There is no nobility in his statements, only unbelief in the power of God.

God wants babies born. He wants them born his way in committed marriages and families, but still wants all babies born even if they come about the wrong way. Not being willing to live life because there is also evil, sin and death is a loser's attitude. Life is good, because God is Life. Sin is bad, but it is impotent compared to our omnipotent God.

Everyone who makes such decisions based upon fear serves Satan and makes Satan happy.

Maybe Bluerose is lead by Holy Spirit to "feel that the world is not a safe place". You can't see what's going on inside so your conclusions are arbitrary. And by the way, not everybody in a Body of Christ is same part of the body with same functions and purpose.
 
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I think I just am aware how damaged the world is at this point and it scares me that a child of mine could suffer terribly even if I protect them. Something horrific could happen to them and I might not be able to heal them.
What concerns me is that this seems to be the driving force behind your decision not to have children. The problem with this is that it shows a lack of trust and faith in Christ. The fact is that you are not in control of anything. You are not in control of your health, or of anyone else's.

The question you need to answer is do you believe God is sovereign or not? Motives matter. Your heart matters. You sound like someone who's coming from a place of fear, not from a place of faith. The above motivation is not coming from someone trusting Christ and relying on Him, but from someone living out of fear and trying to hold onto the illusion of control.
 
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I have no desire for a spouse and I practice celibacy and have for a long time.
OK. That seems to fit.

Do you have a sex drive? And if you do, how burdensome is it?
Not something that should be answered here. But ask yourself that question; and be harshly honest in your answer to yourself.
 
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but what on earth is this,
That is the test of the true gift of celibacy. It is just a yes/no question: Is it a bother or not?

It will not be a burden to those rare individuals who actually have the gift.
 
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That is the test of the true gift of celibacy. It is just a yes/no question: Is it a bother or not? It will not be a burden to those rare individuals who actually have the gift.

Nowhere in the Bible is a gift guaranteed to be given as smooth sailing. But even if that was so, the issue you raised a question about is not something to be discussed publicly. Not even privately in most cases, let alone publicly.
 
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But even if that was so, the issue you raised a question about is not something to be discussed publicly. Not even privately in most cases, let alone publicly.
And it can be taken as a question for the person to answer to themselves only.

I have edited the post to reflect that.
 
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I am a Christian Antinatalist. I do not want to be married for several reasons but one is that I do not want to have children. I feel that the world is not a safe place and I do not want to bring children into the world. I think children are beautiful but because of what I have experienced in life it shows me that life is not a safe place and not compassionate. I feel peace knowing my children will never hurt, because they will never be born. I have experienced alot of pain in my life and I don't feel life is good. I long for heaven and I long for being safe and healed in God's heaven. Antinatlism is just the philosophy that it is better not to have children because life is unsafe. Has anyone decided not to have children for similar reasons? What are your opinions of Christian Antinatalism?
Why not get married to someone of like mind and adopt kids that are already in this world and give them the safety and chance to reach their dreams? Chances they may not have otherwise.
 
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Why not get married to someone of like mind and adopt kids that are already in this world and give them the safety and chance to reach their dreams? Chances they may not have otherwise.
I have no desire to get married but adopting is an amazing blessing. I dont think I will be able to adopt though because I have disability and my family helps support me.
 
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Maybe Bluerose is lead by Holy Spirit to "feel that the world is not a safe place". You can't see what's going on inside so your conclusions are arbitrary. And by the way, not everybody in a Body of Christ is same part of the body with same functions and purpose.
From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. It doesn't take great discernment to see he is not led of the Spirit. If he was the Gospel probably would have been mentioned.
 
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Considering the traumatic things that have happened in your life i doubt their is a desire to get married. Maybe that changes over time maybe it doesn't. When the time is right you will have a story to tell that can and will effect many. The testimony you can give in time can change a life. That may be gods ultimate plan for you. Seek first his kingdom and righteousness. Only our father knows what is truly in our hearts. If he wants you ti have a husband and child he can put that desire their. Right now it's not and may never be. Don't feel bad or guilty for something you didn't cause.
 
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I am a Christian Antinatalist. I do not want to be married for several reasons but one is that I do not want to have children. I feel that the world is not a safe place and I do not want to bring children into the world. I think children are beautiful but because of what I have experienced in life it shows me that life is not a safe place and not compassionate. I feel peace knowing my children will never hurt, because they will never be born. I have experienced alot of pain in my life and I don't feel life is good. I long for heaven and I long for being safe and healed in God's heaven. Antinatlism is just the philosophy that it is better not to have children because life is unsafe. Has anyone decided not to have children for similar reasons? What are your opinions of Christian Antinatalism?
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Blue, some others sent me reminders of what you had gone through. I did not remember those things. What I said remains true, but I apologize to you for the manner in which I said those things. There are many Christians who are choosing not to have families because of globalist propaganda, which is not the will of God. The command of God is be fruitful and multiply, yet our young women are being convinced that they should have careers first. My wife and I are of that first generation that believed that lie. When we married, it was too late for her to bear children. I know many women my age (60's) who could not have children for the same reason so they either adopted, if they could, or remained childless with regret.

As I said before, evil in this world is impotent compared to the omnipotence of God. Evil is a feignt shadow compared to the bright light of God' goodness. You may choose to not have a family, but it would be a matter of God's mercy, not his leading. As I said to others the leading of the Lord is for the sake of the Gospel.

You asked for our opinions on Christian Antinatialism. It is not the will of God for the majority of people. If you are an exception, then it relates to the traumas you've gone through, not God's will. It is God's will that my wife and I have children, but it is His mercy that carried us through the reality of marrying too late.
 
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The premise seems flawed. If you find it is wrong to bring new people into the world because of the potential danger, what do you say of your own parents or even God for that matter? Danger, even in the most abject of circumstances (people were still having babies before Modern Medicine and when war was far more frequent and the life expectancy was incredibly low centuries ago) does not abrogate one's responsibility to propagate mankind, or as God commanded, go forth and bear fruit.

If you don't think you would make a good spouse/parent, that seems to me a better justification for not having children because you simply are not able to provide for others, though you don't know until you've tried it (Having a child can serve as an effective motivator). Or even simply admitting your natural desire is not to have children, you don't need to justify it with the world being dangerous.
 
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Blue, some others sent me reminders of what you had gone through. I did not remember those things. What I said remains true, but I apologize to you for the manner in which I said those things. There are many Christians who are choosing not to have families because of globalist propaganda, which is not the will of God. The command of God is be fruitful and multiply, yet our young women are being convinced that they should have careers first. My wife and I are of that first generation that believed that lie. When we married, it was too late for her to bear children. I know many women my age (60's) who could not have children for the same reason so they either adopted, if they could, or remained childless with regret.

As I said before, evil in this world is impotent compared to the omnipotence of God. Evil is a feignt shadow compared to the bright light of God' goodness. You may choose to not have a family, but it would be a matter of God's mercy, not his leading. As I said to others the leading of the Lord is for the sake of the Gospel.

You asked for our opinions on Christian Antinatialism. It is not the will of God for the majority of people. If you are an exception, then it relates to the traumas you've gone through, not God's will. It is God's will that my wife and I have children, but it is His mercy that carried us through the reality of marrying too late.

Well, the command to be fruitful and to multiply that was given to Adam and later again to Noah and his family was for what purpose? To fill the Earth. That command has been fulfilled already!
Anyways, if Paul had permission to write Scripture to give spiritual advice that it is better to remain single than to marry, then that is true. Believe or don't believe it. But his words are important and God breathed still. The Scriptures say it is better to marry than to burn. Oh, and where is the command to have children in the New Testament? I must have missed that one. Our command is to make disciples (spiritual children) not physical ones. Granted, it is not wrong for a Christian to have a family if they feel called to do that. But neither is wrong to choose not to have children, too.
 
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I am a Christian Antinatalist. I do not want to be married for several reasons but one is that I do not want to have children. I feel that the world is not a safe place and I do not want to bring children into the world. I think children are beautiful but because of what I have experienced in life it shows me that life is not a safe place and not compassionate. I feel peace knowing my children will never hurt, because they will never be born. I have experienced alot of pain in my life and I don't feel life is good. I long for heaven and I long for being safe and healed in God's heaven. Antinatlism is just the philosophy that it is better not to have children because life is unsafe. Has anyone decided not to have children for similar reasons? What are your opinions of Christian Antinatalism?

God did not have your same perspective when He expressed His will to make a great nation out of Moses, Abraham, and Jesus. Just FYI.
 
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Well, the command to be fruitful and to multiply that was given to Adam and later again to Noah and his family was for what purpose? To fill the Earth. That command has been fulfilled already!
Anyways, if Paul had permission to write Scripture to give spiritual advice that it is better to remain single than to marry, then that is true. Believe or don't believe it. But his words are important and God breathed still. The Scriptures say it is better to marry than to burn. Oh, and where is the command to have children in the New Testament? I must have missed that one. Our command is to make disciples (spiritual children) not physical ones. Granted, it is not wrong for a Christian to have a family if they feel called to do that. But neither is wrong to choose not to have children, too.
The gifts and the callings of God are without repentance. The command to be fruitful has not been rescinded by God. What number fulfills his command? Billions? Trillions? You can not say that the number has been fulfilled. How can there be spiritual children if there are not physical children first? For someone who is proud of his biblical knowledge, you don't seem to be aware of the influence of globalist propaganda in your thinking.
 
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