Startrek, Guardians of the Galaxy, Star Wars....

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

One theme all these and other space movies have is the population of the other worlds are not like us, yet like us in many ways. This thread is about the possibility of the existence of other "beings" on other solar systems, other galaxies, and what relationship they have with God.

The cross speaks to the hosts of heaven, to worlds unfallen, and to the fallen world, the value which God has placed upon men, and of His great love wherewith He has loved us. It testifies to the world, to angels, and to men, the immutability of the divine law. The death of God’s only begotten Son upon the cross in the sinner’s behalf is the unanswerable argument as to the changeless character of the sacredness and holiness of the Law of God. It is the argument of the ages that all heaven and earth will forever acknowledge.

Why is it so hard to imagine that out in space are multitudes of God’s creations which habit other galaxies, other solar systems? We sit and watch science fiction regarding space battles in far away planetary places and we can not see that it could well be true. No so much the wars any more. For God said the war was over in Heaven. There will come a time when we will get to see all of heaven and all that God created in the entire universe and "Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named." So with that for variety, I think we will have plenty to admire and praise God for.

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

God said And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. Since we know that He wasn’t talking about Yeshua who was able to open the book, there is indication that there are other “men” in heaven.

They are also called every creature, which gives you the understanding that they are not all looking as we do. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

It almost sounds like the entire universe that God has created has been populated with many multitudes of creatures, men of heaven, as he says from one end of heaven to the other. The entire universe has been well informed of our creation and the controversy with regard to the accusations of Satan.

God asked His other creations if they have every seen the like, where God would lay down His life for His creations. Had they even heard such a thing? For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there has been any such thing as this great thing is, or has been heard like it? And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

We know the story of in Job’s day when the throngs gather before the throne. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. By all these verses, it is to see that we are not alone in the universe, and that God has created beings that are in his universe and not just on this planet. When all things are new, we will be able to go visit these places that they live and meet with these beings that God has created.

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

I also think that we are the only planet that sinned. As Yeshua tells the story “I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

Well, we know there is no one other than Yeshua that had needed no repentance on this earth so that rules out this planet that Yeshua was talking about. On the other planets that are inhabited, they may have never sinned and are just persons and needed no repentance, thereby be the ones that are fulfilling God’s words.

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

It wasn’t that they were not being accused of lots of things by Satan. They were just righteously following God’s Law and never deviated from it. Satan was boldly thrown out of heaven and those that needed no repentance were no longer being pestered, accused before God any more.

And they that live in heaven rejoiced “for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night Therefore, rejoice, you heavens, and you that dwell in them, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time.”

visionary · Oct 14, 2017

The war in heaven is won by God and Satan lost. The issue was over, and the devil and His angels are thrown out. We know that when Job was alive, that Satan was still allowed in heaven’s courts. Was it the death of Yeshua on the cross that resolved it in Heaven to have nothing more to do with Satan? No place was found in heaven for Satan.

This earth is Satan’s last strong hold. We are the final battle ground in this war. God will win this war here also. Is it resolved in your own heart, and do you want Satan cast out of you forever too? How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Hoshiyya · Oct 14, 2017

one of the reasons i like Dune is because while taking place on other planets it is very much about humanity and doesn't include any aliens or robots.

it is also amazing to read how much Frank Herbert was able to conceive of vis-a-vis space travel and life on other planets back in 1966 (prior to the actual moon landing).

before the moon landing even happened he was able to map out a theory of the life cycle of inhabited planets and human civilization upon habitable planets.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 14, 2017

Hoshiyya said:
one of the reasons i like Dune is because while taking place on other planets it is very much about humanity and doesn't include any aliens or robots.

I enjoyed the Dune series of books too. Herbert, though agnostic, was quite prophetic.

tampasteve · Oct 16, 2017

Hoshiyya said:
one of the reasons i like Dune is because while taking place on other planets it is very much about humanity and doesn't include any aliens or robots.

it is also amazing to read how much Frank Herbert was able to conceive of vis-a-vis space travel and life on other planets back in 1966 (prior to the actual moon landing).

before the moon landing even happened he was able to map out a theory of the life cycle of inhabited planets and human civilization upon habitable planets.

I like both sci-fi involving just humans as well as alian/human sci-fi. One series I like a lot is the "Empires Corps" By Christopher Nuttall. Similarly to Dune there are no aliens, just humans spread across the galaxy. The book explores the fall of an empire and the aftermath in the disparate worlds.

chunkofcoal · Oct 16, 2017

Visionary, you don't think "heaven" at least in some references in the scripture is other dimensional?

Interesting thread. I did read a bit about this a while back. There is a question of whether or not "Meroz" as mentioned in Judges 5:23 could be a planet.

visionary · Oct 16, 2017

chunkofcoal said:
Visionary, you don't think "heaven" at least in some references in the scripture is other dimensional?

Interesting thread. I did read a bit about this a while back. There is a question of whether or not "Meroz" as mentioned in Judges 5:23 could be a planet.

The context of Judges 5:23 seems to indicate a local population within helping distance of the battle near the Jezreel valley. So while I have no idea where or what community this "Meroz" is, I never thought it in the context of a third dimension or planet.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 16, 2017

visionary said:
Well, we know there is no one other than Yeshua that had needed no repentance on this earth so that rules out this planet that Yeshua was talking about. On the other planets that are inhabited, they may have never sinned and are just persons and needed no repentance, thereby be the ones that are fulfilling God’s words.

When we think of Lord Jesus, we think that He committed no sin. But, it is more than that. He was born sinless in His spirit. Unlike sinful man, He was born whole not broken. He was born a whole X while the rest of us, because Adam sinned, are born a broken X, like one of the limbs was broken off, if you can imagine a X with a broken limb. I guess you can call it maimed.When we are born again,it is like the refresh button on the computer. ^_^

We are restored to soundness and wholesomeness.We know some of the watchers sinned as per Genesis 6. But they sinned on Earth. They are imprisoned on Earth as per Jude 1.

The Bible says this:
Psalms 115:15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.

16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

So it seems to me that the Earth was given to the children of men. I believe the big bru-ha-ha in heaven causing the war was because our Father decided to make mankind in His image to reproduce after His kind. I don't know how people feel about that notion, but if you think about it,satan tried to mess mankind up big time. He almost succeeded. But :clap:

Lord Jesus, the last Adam offered His life up to ransom mankind from the curse of death, and to refresh the page for all who believe He did it.

My theory on this is if there are other beings on other planets, whatever they may be called, are to be subject to the children of God who are His image.

chunkofcoal · Oct 16, 2017

visionary said:
The context of Judges 5:23 seems to indicate a local population within helping distance of the battle near the Jezreel valley. So while I have no idea where or what community this "Meroz" is, I never thought it in the context of a third dimension or planet.

When you look at some of the other verses, it doesn't sound like it was just local -

Jdg 5:20-23 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. (21) The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon. O my soul, thou hast trodden down strength. (22) Then were the horsehoofs broken by the means of the pransings, the pransings of their mighty ones. (23) Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.

visionary · Oct 16, 2017

chunkofcoal said:
When you look at some of the other verses, it doesn't sound like it was just local -

Jdg 5:20-23 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. (21) The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon. O my soul, thou hast trodden down strength. (22) Then were the horsehoofs broken by the means of the pransings, the pransings of their mighty ones. (23) Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.

I see what you are saying... Maybe there is moe to the story of Meroz...

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 16, 2017

chunkofcoal said:
When you look at some of the other verses, it doesn't sound like it was just local -

Jdg 5:20-23 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. (21) The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon. O my soul, thou hast trodden down strength. (22) Then were the horsehoofs broken by the means of the pransings, the pransings of their mighty ones. (23) Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.

It does sound rather mystical. But, I checked some commentaries and Meroz was evidently a town near Issachar and Naphtali that was cursed out of remembrance. Angels were involved in Deborah's and Baraks battle but the battle was on Earth.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/judges/5.htm
. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary23. Curse ye Meroz—a village on the confines of Issachar and Naphtali, which lay in the course of the fugitives, but the inhabitants declined to aid in their destruction.

chunkofcoal · Oct 16, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
It does sound rather mystical. But, I checked some commentaries and Meroz was evidently a town near Issachar and Naphtali that was cursed out of remembrance. Angels were involved in Deborah's and Baraks battle but the battle was on Earth.
. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary23. Curse ye Meroz—a village on the confines of Issachar and Naphtali, which lay in the course of the fugitives, but the inhabitants declined to aid in their destruction.

Meroz - Wikipedia
"According to the Talmud (Moed Katan 16a), Meroz is a certain planet in the stellar sphere, and because the mention of it in Judges 5:23 is preceded by the phrase, "the stars in their course fought against Sisera" (v.20), it thus follows that Meroz must be defined as a celestial body.[2] This mysterious 'Meroz' may not only be the name of a star, but also may allude to an unidentified group of outworld inhabitants somewhere in the second heaven (outer space) to which failed in their willingness to assist the righteous in a war against the wicked, and hence cursed by the angel of God."

I guess we can only speculate but in speculating we are contemplating what wonders may be in God's universe(s). :clap:

visionary · Oct 17, 2017

chunkofcoal said:
Meroz - Wikipedia
"According to the Talmud (Moed Katan 16a), Meroz is a certain planet in the stellar sphere, and because the mention of it in Judges 5:23 is preceded by the phrase, "the stars in their course fought against Sisera" (v.20), it thus follows that Meroz must be defined as a celestial body.[2] This mysterious 'Meroz' may not only be the name of a star, but also may allude to an unidentified group of outworld inhabitants somewhere in the second heaven (outer space) to which failed in their willingness to assist the righteous in a war against the wicked, and hence cursed by the angel of God."

I guess we can only speculate but in speculating we are contemplating what wonders may be in God's universe(s).

Things just get more and more interesting the deeper we dig. I love it. Thank you

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 17, 2017

visionary said:
Things just get more and more interesting the deeper we dig. I love it. Thank you

Yes it gets interesting. What if Meroz was both a town and a planet? I ask because there was an Earthly battle won by Deborah and Barak.

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