proving evolution as just a "theory"

TLK Valentine said:

No doubt they'll be forgiven with a quickie deathbed conversion...

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Actually, they will soon be given the real Truth which destroys the False ToE. God's Truth (Spirit of Truth) will be poured out to ALL flesh, Act 2:17 including atheists, agnostics and phonies. Can you tell us HOW this event is happening today?

Belk said:

So your answer on why every scientific and academic institution accepts evolution as science is that it is a belief system? That somehow a bunch of people independently came up with similar theories. Then they managed to convince a society steeped in biblical belief that this false idea was true? Somehow this false belief has managed to not only become the predominant theory that underpins every biological science but to withstand every competing theory for 150+ years?

That strains credulity to the breaking point.

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Only if you don't have a spiritual understanding. For those of us who do, it makes perfect sense. Our real battle is not against flesh a blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. An enemy who appears as an angel of light, the great deceiver, the father of lies. We fight against principalities and power that is a spiritual enemy who will do anything and everything to convince anyone and everyone that the Bible is false, God doesn't exist and neither does he. And because humanity is loves the darkness rather than the light they fall for it hook line and sinker.

xianghua said:

it doesnt realy matter since they both need several parts. in the car example it's more simple to show the concept of minimal complexity. so we both agree that such a car cant evolve from a self replicating materials? if so then a creature cant evolve stepwise too, and therefore stepwise evolution is impossible.

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You’ve failed to demonstrate that a creature can’t evolve stepwise. You’ve made plenty of valid points as to why a car couldn’t evolve, but cars aren’t analogous to creatures. We most certainly do not agree.

rjs330 said:

Yes you are right. It was a supernatural process that began the natural process. All things natural had a supernatural start.

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Have you observed a supernatural entity creating life?

Didn't think so, "assumptions" are OK when they're made by ancient middle easterns are they?

TLK Valentine said:

That, as always, would be your understanding, correct? God kept the truths hidden not only until science could catch up, but until you arrived to explain the science properly.

Aren't you?

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No, that would be the unbelievers who think they know more than God. Some of them don't realize that they are nothing but mortal, sin filled, men.

xianghua said:

it doesnt realy matter since they both need several parts. in the car example it's more simple to show the concept of minimal complexity. so we both agree that such a car cant evolve from a self replicating materials? if so then a creature cant evolve stepwise too, and therefore stepwise evolution is impossible.

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You make zero sense.


Why would a human contrivance evolve?

Can you really make NO positive case for your position such that you have to resort to these truly silly distractions and diversions about 'cars can't evolve,m therefore evolution is false'?

Aman777 said:

Actually, they will soon be given the real Truth which destroys the False ToE. God's Truth (Spirit of Truth) will be poured out to ALL flesh, Act 2:17 including atheists, agnostics and phonies. Can you tell us HOW this event is happening today?

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Quite well... in spite of fundamentalism and creationism, it would seem.

rjs330 said:

We fight against principalities and power that is a spiritual enemy who will do anything and everything to convince anyone and everyone that the Bible is false, God doesn't exist and neither does he. And because humanity is loves the darkness rather than the light they fall for it hook line and sinker.

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To be honest mate, the clearly ridiculous things Creationists say probably do more to make Christianity look bad than anything else.

TLK Valentine said:

No doubt they'll be forgiven with a quickie deathbed conversion...

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That's the beauty of it. Yes they could be. But by then many are so hardened that they won't even then. Most people will never even have that chance.

Astrophile said:

So how do you know that you are a Christian?

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Because I have been born again Spiritually by the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Just as you cannot see my intelligence, you cannot see my salvation, but it's there. It's nice to know that you have been made an Immortal being. Amen?

Aman777 said:

No, that would be the unbelievers who think they know more than God. Some of them don't realize that they are nothing but mortal, sin filled, men.

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As are you, my friend -- a well as one who has clearly forgotten that when Jesus came to Earth, God the Father saw it fit to not impart all His knowledge into His earthly vessel... as such, there were mysteries that even Jesus himself did not know.

That would mean that Jesus, in his time on this Earth, was not omniscient, meaning it is possible, without necessarily being smarter than him, to know something that he himself did not. This is not a sin, it is a truth.

Aman777 said:

No, that would be the unbelievers who think they know more than God. Some of them don't realize that they are nothing but mortal, sin filled, men.

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Who are these people think they're immortal and omniscient?

Jimmy D said:

Who are these people think they're immortal and omniscient?

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And what does any of this have to do with the theory of evolution?

Jimmy D said:

To be honest mate, the clearly ridiculous things Creationists say probably do more to make Christianity look bad than anything else.

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That's okay by me.
Do not ·fool [deceive] yourselves. If you think you are wise in this ·world [age], you should become a fool so that you can become truly wise,because the wisdom of this world is ·foolishness [folly] with God. [L For] It is written in the Scriptures, “He catches those who are wise in their own ·clever traps [craftiness; cunning; Job 5:13].”·It is also written in the Scriptures [L And again], “The Lord knows ·what wise people think [L the thoughts/reasoning/machinations of the wise] . He knows their thoughts are ·worthless [pointless; useless; futile; Ps. 94:11] .” - 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 - Expanded Bible

In other passages Jesus talks about us being rejected by those who don't believe.
I get it. You don't believe. It's nonsense and foolishness to you. Why? Because spiritual truths are only spiritually discerned. The natural man cannot understand the spiritual. You may mock or scorn, but that is irrelevant. The truth remains. One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father. I just hope for you my friend it happens before you pass from this world.

TLK Valentine said:

Quite well... in spite of fundamentalism and creationism, it would seem.

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What you don't know is that God's Truth in Genesis chapter one AGREES with the recent discoveries of Science. As scientists, in these last days, announce their discoveries, it will become clear, even to the worst God hater, that God's Truth is the Truth in every way and He told us this more than 3k years ago. It's proof of God.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

rjs330 said:

That's okay by me.
Do not ·fool [deceive] yourselves. If you think you are wise in this ·world [age], you should become a fool so that you can become truly wise,because the wisdom of this world is ·foolishness [folly] with God. [L For] It is written in the Scriptures, “He catches those who are wise in their own ·clever traps [craftiness; cunning; Job 5:13].”·It is also written in the Scriptures [L And again], “The Lord knows ·what wise people think [L the thoughts/reasoning/machinations of the wise] . He knows their thoughts are ·worthless [pointless; useless; futile; Ps. 94:11] .” - 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 - Expanded Bible

In other passages Jesus talks about us being rejected by those who don't believe.
I get it. You don't believe. It's nonsense and foolishness to you. Why? Because spiritual truths are only spiritually discerned. The natural man cannot understand the spiritual. You may mock or scorn, but that is irrelevant. The truth remains. One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father. I just hope for you my friend it happens before you pass from this world.

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Great argument.


Totally irrelevant and off topic and condescending and empty, but great...

Aman777 said:

What you don't know is that God's Truth in Genesis chapter one AGREES with the recent discoveries of Science.

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Provide 3 examples please.

TLK Valentine said:

As are you, my friend -- a well as one who has clearly forgotten that when Jesus came to Earth, God the Father saw it fit to not impart all His knowledge into His earthly vessel... as such, there were mysteries that even Jesus himself did not know.

That would mean that Jesus, in his time on this Earth, was not omniscient, meaning it is possible, without necessarily being smarter than him, to know something that he himself did not. This is not a sin, it is a truth.

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In your twisted dreams. Jesus IS the Son in the beginning, (Elohim) and as part of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), this means that Jesus IS God. The only thing you can point to that Jesus didn't know while on Earth is the time of the Rapture. This, of course depends on Humankind's filling of the host of Heaven, Gen 2:1 which comes only by the Creation of New Creatures in Christ, which is dependent on how many receive the Gift of God Eph 2:8 and Heb 11:6

USincognito said:

I would say that approach to reality is madness, but I know that it's just false statement on your part because the Bible doesn't "tell" us anything. We need to interpret Scripture and your literalist interpretation is simply is discord with reality. You are telling us you reject reality itself in favor of your interpretation of Genesis.



Agreed. Except we're not talking about theology or "what the world says". We're talking about science and what reality itself tells us. You are rejecting reality itself in favor of your interpretation of Genesis.



"The world" doesn't tell us that, the evidence (aka reality itself) tells us that. Again, you are rejecting reality itself in favor of your interpretation of Genesis.

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You my friend have fallen into a very bad trap. You see when we say that the Bible doesn't tells us anything then we leave all truth to us. My truth may not be yours. When Jesus says he is the only way, I may interpret that different than you. Or I accept what he says as "telling" me something. In Exodus God says he created everything in six days. God himself confirmed what he said in Genesis. Jesus confirms Genesis and so does Paul. This whole "I interpret how I want to" is very dangerous. When Paul says in Galations 5 that people who do the things he mentions will not inherit the kingdom of God is he not telling us something? Or perhaps is that up to our own interpretation? Perhaps we can interpret it a different way.

No the Bible tells us much that is fact. We need to believe it rather than man's pursuit of wisdom and understanding.

No the bible is not a science book. But it is a book of truth. God does not talk about cells and so on, but he did tell us exactly how he created life and how long it took him. He dies not go into all the details. But he was clear enough to let us know it was by evolution from a common ancestor.

By the way, do you believe in the story of Abraham?

rjs330 said:

That's okay by me.

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I'm not surprised.

rjs330 said:

That's okay by me.
Do not ·fool [deceive] yourselves. If you think you are wise in this ·world [age], you should become a fool so that you can become truly wise,because the wisdom of this world is ·foolishness [folly] with God. [L For] It is written in the Scriptures, “He catches those who are wise in their own ·clever traps [craftiness; cunning; Job 5:13].”·It is also written in the Scriptures [L And again], “The Lord knows ·what wise people think [L the thoughts/reasoning/machinations of the wise] . He knows their thoughts are ·worthless [pointless; useless; futile; Ps. 94:11] .” - 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 3:18-20 - Expanded Bible

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That could apply to anyone, I don't see much humility coming from creationists though.

rjs330 said:

In other passages Jesus talks about us being rejected by those who don't believe.
I get it. You don't believe. It's nonsense and foolishness to you. Why? Because spiritual truths are only spiritually discerned. The natural man cannot understand the spiritual. You may mock or scorn, but that is irrelevant. The truth remains. One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father. I just hope for you my friend it happens before you pass from this world.

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I don't think Christianity is nonsense or foolish, many of my friends and family are Christian, as was I. What I do think is nonsense and foolish is people, with no or little education in the sciences, having the arrogance to presume to tell people who have spent their lives studying such subjects that they are wrong.