Is it being implied here that Israel and the Church are the same group? what does John 10 say? I do not read it tos ay those not of the fold will be brought into "this fold" (Israel). "One fold" is not reference to Israel.No problem. There are clearly three folds in the verse. Do I need to post a word for word literal translation and meanings of each?We also know that the promise to Abraham is all nations will be blessed and not caused to be one nation.
John 10:16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become
one flock with one shepherd.
Rom 12:4-5 For just as we have many members in
one body and all the members do not have the same function,
5 so we, who are many, are
one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
I Cor 10:16-17 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?
17 Since there is one bread, we who are many are
one body; for we all partake of the one bread.
I Cor 12:12-13 For even as the body is one and
yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into
one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
I Cor 12:20 But now there are many members, but
one body.
Eph 2:14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both
groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
Eph 4:4-5 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Col 3:15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in
one body; and be thankful.
I think the scriptures are clear, there is only one body of Messiah. Not three.
Who or what is Israel's own Olive Tree? The Root is Jesus, not Israel. John1 5 makes this very clear. The Christian abides (lives) in Jesus by His own recorded statement. Why is this misunderstood?
Rom 11:1-2a I say then,
God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew.
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural
branches be
grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that
a partial hardening has happened to
Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26 and so
all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
From this text we can see that:
*Israel has not been rejected.
*Gentiles are grafted into "Israel's own olive tree".
*Once the fullness of the Gentiles has come into (grafted into) Israel, then all Israel will be saved.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Please highlight where this passage says gentiles are included in the commonwealth of Israel.
Remember who the saints are as listed in Hebrews.
bugkiller
Done, but you'll need to expand to see the highlights.
