Are you squeamish about the word "catholic"?

Are you squeamish about the word "catholic"?


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Would the world, in your opinion, be better off without Christianity?
No. Christians do good works so they are beneficial to society. However politics are unnecessary to do good works and should be avoided because they are full of strife, division and covetousness, which are works of flesh.
 
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yes, crusades and "heretic" burning worked out well. You cant force the gospel onto people.
That's what a theocracy does but its wrong.
If it wasn't for the Crusades, Europe would've become overrun by Islamic hordes.
I think we could probably use another Crusade today, actually.
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1Ch 1:28
The sons of Abraham were Isaac [Christ-ian] and Ishmael [Muslim].

Ezekiel 38:21
Then will I call against him every terror, declareth my Lord Yahweh.
The sword of every man
against his brother shall be;
[Matt 10:34/Revelation 6:4]

John 16:2
Putting out of the synagogue they shall be doing ye,
but is coming an hour that every one killing ye should be supposing a divine service to be offering to the God
!

Matthew 10:34
"No thou should be inferring that I came to be casting Peace upon the land.
Not I came to be casting peace but a sword

[Ezekiel 38/Reve 6:4]

Revelation 6:4
and there went forth another horse--red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land,
and that one another they may slay,
and there was given to him a great sword.

[Ezekiel 38:21]


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Where do I sign up?

1Ch 1:28
The sons of Abraham were Isaac [Christ-ian] and Ishmael [Muslim].

Ezekiel 38:21
Then will I call against him every terror, declareth my Lord Yahweh.
The sword of every man
against his brother shall be;
[Matt 10:34/Revelation 6:4]

John 16:2
Putting out of the synagogue they shall be doing ye,
but is coming an hour that every one killing ye should be supposing a divine service to be offering to the God
!

Matthew 10:34
"No thou should be inferring that I came to be casting Peace upon the land.
Not I came to be casting peace but a Sword

[Ezekiel 38/Reve 6:4]

Revelation 6:4
and there went forth another horse--red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land,
and that one another they may slay,
and there was given to him a great sword.

[Ezekiel 38:21]


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Our weapons of warfare are not carnal. Gods armor doesnt consist of a firearm.
 
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~Cassia~ said:
The gift of the catholic church belongs to all of Christianity. The gift of the Catholic church belongs to all of christianity.
I have not said otherwise.
I do believe that the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are a gift to all the world.
That's nice to know.........
 
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Would the world, in your opinion, be better off without Christianity?
Good. I happen to agree with that.

Your comment about politics is interesting and has some merit to it. But if Christianity ceases to exist (which is what Christendom was facing before the Crusades) then that's kind of the end of the line, isn't it?
 
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Good. I happen to agree with that.

Your comment about politics is interesting and has some merit to it. But if Christianity ceases to exist (which is what Christendom was facing before the Crusades) then that's kind of the end of the line, isn't it?
No, christianity would never cease to exist. Even underground it would thrive.
 
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Looks to me that the Church thrived better after the Crusades.
Yes after a bloody war. You have to wonder who started these wars. The holy land crusade was obviously a lack of discernment to say the least. Other crusades involved suppressing what catholicism deemed paganism and heresy. However look at the contrast against the true apostles who lived in pagan rome and never started a civil war. No, give unto caesar that which is his, and to God what is His.
 
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Yes after a bloody war. You have to wonder who started these wars. The holy land crusade was obviously a lack of discernment to say the least. Other crusades involved suppressing what catholicism deemed paganism and heresy. However look at the contrast against the true apostles who lived in pagan rome and never started a civil war. No, give unto caesar that which is his, and to God what is His.
Is extinction from the bloody sword of Islam better than the peace under European that eventually ensued?
 
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Is extinction from the bloody sword of Islam better than the peace under European that eventually ensued?
As if our God were powerless, and our kingdom was of this world. O ye of little faith. Catholicism was a carnal religion, responsible for starting a war in the holy land. They also used war to suppress what they called heresy. That's not the example given by the TRUE apostles however.

2 corinthians 10:2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
 
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The Church doesnt fight wars. Its war is on poverty and hopelessness. God will use worldly men to fight the wars, but we are holy. We dont fight wars. God wouldn't allow David to build His temple because he shed blood. What kind of temple are you going to build then with blood on your hands?
 
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As if our God were powerless, and our kingdom was of this world. O ye of little faith. Catholicism was a carnal religion, responsible for starting a war in the holy land. They also used war to suppress what they called heresy. That's not the example given by the TRUE apostles however.

2 corinthians 10:2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
Just to be clear, if extinction was a real possibility, you understand that God would act to ensure the faith doesn't die out. Is that it?
 
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Just to be clear, if extinction was a real possibility, you understand that God would act to ensure the faith doesn't die out. Is that it?
Yes but you are missing the point. The true apostles didnt fight a carnal war and they lived in pagan rome! They didnt try to liberate the holy land from rome!
 
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Yes but you are missing the point. The true apostles didnt fight a carnal war and they lived in pagan rome! They didnt try to liberate the holy land from rome!
They didn't have the option and they had safe places to hide. The Crusaders did have that option and no place else to go.

In other words, the two situations have basically nothing in common.
 
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They didn't have the option and they had safe places to hide. The Crusaders did have that option and no place else to go.

In other words, the two situations have basically nothing in common.

Self defense is one thing, but starting a war in the holy land is obviously wrong, and starting wars to suppress so called heresy, this is wrong.
 
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Self defense is one thing, but starting a war in the holy land is obviously wrong, and starting wars to suppress so called heresy, this is wrong.
Is your position that the Christian residents of the Holy Land and Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land didn't deserve protection? Frankly, I don't see how starting a war in the Holy Land is wrong ipso facto at all. Valuable objectives were achieved in the Crusades. If the Crusaders truly were the brutes that they're made out to be, Islam wouldn't exist today. And it's hard to imagine that the world be worse off today without Islam.
 
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Is your position that the Christian residents of the Holy Land and Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land didn't deserve protection? Frankly, I don't see how starting a war in the Holy Land is wrong ipso facto at all. Valuable objectives were achieved in the Crusades. If the Crusaders truly were the brutes that they're made out to be, Islam wouldn't exist today. And it's hard to imagine that the world be worse off today without Islam.
You are rationalizing holy war and theocracy. Our warfare is not carnal. You problem is that you dont understand holiness. Holiness is separation from the world. The apostles teach us to be separate, and to pray. God will take care of the world.
 
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You are rationalizing holy war and theocracy.
Nonsense, I'm doing no such thing. Holy war and theocracy need no rationalization.

What I'm doing is justifying them.

Our warfare is not carnal. You problem is that you dont understand holiness. Holiness is separation from the world. The apostles teach us to be separate, and to pray. God will take care of the world.
And your problem is that you seem to think Christians should not bother about the problems of the material world (even to the point of saving innocent lives), as though there's nothing of value in the material world. That's a view which I've always found strange, almost gnostic.
 
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