List of unfulfilled prophecies, anyone?

Shulamite:Maranatha! · Oct 14, 2017

vinsight4u said:
Daniel 9:23
"Seventy weeks...determined...to finish the transgression..."
Daniel 9:26
"...unto the end of the war...determined."

Gabriel told Daniel about two different determined times.
the 70 weeks -
and - the determined war
The determined war -the time of Titus would end-desolate the city - but the final week of the 70 weeks would start sometime later. Babylon will then rise again and finish her 70 years to rule and desolate Jerusalem.

vinsight4u said:
You are right to head to Daniel 9:2. Daniel had seen the Babylonian kingdom fall to Darius the Mede. This chapter opens in his first year, so it is about 67 years into the captivity. Jeremiah 29:10 shows that the Jews will be held for 70 years in Babylon. Daniel was confused, he began to pray and supplicate over this situation. How would the Babylonians ever fall at the end of 70 years? Their last king has fallen at about 66 years. It won't be until the first year of Cyrus that the decree goes out for some to return to Israel and rebuild. Daniel continues to supplicate. Refers to how they have departed from His judgments. Verse 11 mentions Moses and the curse. The curse that Moses foretold that came to pass in the days of Daniel is found in Deuteronomy 28:48. the yoke of iron
Jeremiah 28:14 shows this yoke was Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon. Jeremiah 30:6-9 tells about a yoke that will break at the time of Jacob's trouble.

The last verse of Daniel 9 refers to a "he" and how he will desolate -till the consummation.

Gabriel came to Daniel due to his supplications. When Daniel started to supplicate - the command was given to Gabriel to go to him and help him understand when the final Babylonian king will fall and the 70 years of them in power will end.

vinsight4u, thank you for the dialogue! With all of the varying of opinion concerning dating biblical events I can’t help but wonder if there is some discrepancy concerning the exact years the Babylonian Kingdom began or ended. For example if scholars can differ on Jesus birth year ranging from 2 B.C. to 6 B.C. isn’t it possible that there could be differing opinions as to the start of this kingdom pushing it four years back to about 609 B.C or to its end pushing it to about 535 B.C? The dating of the gospels can range significantly depending on the scholarship being referenced and the time span from Adam to Japheth in Genesis 5 differs depending on which manuscript you reference whether the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Septuagint, or the Masoretic text. My point is while those are different issues (though similar) it wouldn’t surprise me if there are some plausible sources and/or opinions that challenge the traditional viewpoint concerning the period of the Babylonian Kingdom.

You’re stirring me up to search and pray vinsight4u. So, thank you!

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Andrew4jesus · Oct 14, 2017

rockytopva said:
I started a thread on the Ezekiel 38 prophecy some time ago...

Seven Reasons Why Ezekiel 38 has not been fulfilled

I'm going to have a look at this- thanks

vinsight4u · Oct 14, 2017

Shulamite:Maranatha! · Oct 14, 2017

I'm finding that it is a held belief that the captivity period was indeed seventy years. One of the periods thought to conclude the Babylonian captivity is from 608 B.C. to 538 B.C. thus being recognized as the fulfillment of Jeremiah 29:10.

rockytopva · Oct 14, 2017

If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

Before Christ comes the Anti-Christ must be revealed...

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Who....

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13:16-18

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Shulamite:Maranatha! · Oct 14, 2017

Jeremiah 25:12 Commentaries: 'Then it will be when seventy years are completed I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation,' declares the LORD, 'for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation.
Jeremiah 29:10 Commentaries: "For thus says the LORD, 'When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place.

From my search so far I have the support of multiple commentators regarding Jeremiah 25:12 and 29:10 in viewing 29:10 as fulfilled. For me that's not an end all as I would like to further know and understand this issue.

Shulamite:Maranatha! · Oct 14, 2017

I just read your last two responses after my own.

vinsight4u · Oct 14, 2017

Shulamite:Maranatha! · Oct 14, 2017

"... So the Jewish chronicle (i):

that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the Lord, for their iniquity; the king for his tyranny, and the nation for their idolatry; and both for these and other sins they were guilty of; for, though they did the will of God in carrying the Jews captive, they no doubt in their usage of them exceeded their commission, and were justly punishable for their iniquities. This is not to be understood of the present king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar; but of Nabonadius, or Belshazzar, whom the Lord punished by Cyrus; who appears to have been a very wicked man, and in the excess of not, profaning the vessels of the temple the night he was slain, Daniel 5:1;

and the land of the Chaldeans; and will make it perpetual desolations; even as other nations had been made by them, Jeremiah 25:9. .." - John Gill

John Gill believed the king being spoken of in Jeremiah 25:12 was Nabonidus (Nabonadius) or Belshazzar. (See Jeremiah 25:12 Commentaries: 'Then it will be when seventy years are completed I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation,' declares the LORD, 'for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation.)

Shulamite:Maranatha! · Oct 14, 2017

I wonder how much influence unbelieving liberal "biblical scholars" have had on dating biblical events and to what degree they have inspired misinterpretations of Bible history and prophecy. Secondly, how much of it is unintentional and intentional? That discussion would make for a whole new thread.

For now, I plan to analyze the other Scriptures you mentioned concerning Babylon.

I'm privileged to have this dialogue with you vinsight4u, thank you!

vinsight4u · Oct 14, 2017

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Daniel Martinovich · Oct 14, 2017

Shulamite:Maranatha! said:
Hello,

Does anyone know where I can find an exhaustive list of all the Scriptures containing unfulfilled prophecies (or prophecies being fulfilled)? I'm trying to piece together all of the Scriptures concerning the end things surrounding Jesus' return and the thousand year reign before New Jerusalem descends.

In advance, thank you!

Our Master and Husband Comes,
Zachary Hammonds

How about starting at the back of the book? The New Jerusalem is interpreted by the Bible as something other than heaven , the next life or the next world. There are over 3 dozen chapters about it. All those chapters are being fulfilled before our eyes. You can see it in this link.

The New Jerusalem

Original Happy Camper · Oct 21, 2017

vinsight4u said:
but the final week of the 70 weeks would start sometime later.

Gabriel did not explain that the last week was in the future so where did this explanation come from?

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