Why we cannot accept the Reformation!

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2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their owndestruction.
 
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What Jesus and the Bible require is that we believe the apostles!
And "thee faith" is the faith of the apostles, this promise made to the apostles!
John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you
Matt 28 go into the whole world, teaching them...
Lk 10:16 he who hears you (the apostles) hears me!
 
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Eph 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets
luther, calvin, etc. Are NOT Apostles!


You edited the last and most critical part of the verse!

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

The "church" is built on Jesus Christ, not men.
 
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1 Cor 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

1 Cor 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

Yes. Just one Church, already, the Body of Christ, all of us. He is the cornerstone, as in Eph 2:20, and indeed the prophets, apostles, all of us are part of the Church, as 1 Cor 12:27, just as you know, and as you read there in 1 Cor 12, every part belongs, and no part can be excluded. The Body, the Church, is one in Him.
 
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[for me anyway] it is just as the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through the Apostle Paul made it plain and clear at that time, yet it of course is meant for all times, even now after the reformation, namely in (1 Corinthians 1:12-13) along with (1 Corinthians 3:3-4): for when we apply it (for example) to now in our present time we easily behold the wrongness of its continuation.

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Corinthians 1:12-13)
By merely replacing names to our present time we see the same matter:
>>Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Catholic; and I of Prodestant; and I of Orthodox; and I of This or That. Is Christ divided? was Catholic crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Protestant?<<

And again:
"For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?" (1 Corinthians 3:3-4)
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>>For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Catholic; and another, I am of Protestant; are ye not carnal?<<

The Holy Spirit of Truth making it abundantly clear that Christ is not supposed to be divided, yet men still insist on their own will over the Lord's.
 
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What was reformed? The church?

No reformation here in reality new churches were started!

The new churches are false churches with false doctrines be cause the Bible says so!

Jesus Christ and the Bible say
Matt 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Jesus Christ is the one who builds the church, not luther, calvin or Henry the eighth!

One church: I will build my church, singular!
There's one church cos it's the kingdom of God, and there is one king and one kingdom!

The church singular is the body of Christ, Christ has only one body!

1 Cor 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

Eph 4:5

one Lord, one faith, one baptism

The new testament days 31 times "the faith" one faith we all have to believe! As in "I have kept the faith"
2 Tim 4:7

And "thee faith" is the faith of the apostles, this promise made to the apostles!
John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you
Matt 28 go into the whole world, teaching them...
Lk 10:16 he who hears you (the apostles) hears me!

The church is built on the apostles!

Eph 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets
luther, calvin, etc. Are NOT Apostles!

If you believe the Bible alone, where does the Bible say to have a reformation? Or camp meeting, or Sunday school, or a revival, or a revival in a tent?
So, are you saying that those of us who are not Roman Catholic are not saved?
 
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[for me anyway] it is just as the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through the Apostle Paul made it plain and clear at that time, yet it of course is meant for all times, even now after the reformation, namely in (1 Corinthians 1:12-13) along with (1 Corinthians 3:3-4): for when we apply it (for example) to now in our present time we easily behold the wrongness of its continuation.

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Corinthians 1:12-13)
By merely replacing names to our present time we see the same matter:
>>Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Catholic; and I of Prodestant; and I of Orthodox; and I of This or That. Is Christ divided? was Catholic crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Protestant?<<

And again:
"For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?" (1 Corinthians 3:3-4)
Again replacing:
>>For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Catholic; and another, I am of Protestant; are ye not carnal?<<

The Holy Spirit of Truth making it abundantly clear that Christ is not supposed to be divided, yet men still insist on their own will over the Lord's.

Just so. For each individual, of the real situation in their heart.

Individually (in our own hearts, each of us), we are to correctly realize that all of our brothers and sisters in Christ are belonging with us, and not have divisions in our hearts over such as our own pronouncements we follow this or that (and such stuff, like 'we are right and they are wrong', etc., divisions and strife). Strife and divisions -- these are the signs of that problem. If the attitude (individually, for each of us, one at a time) isn't love, then the individual needs to listen to Paul here and get the message he is saying.
 
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So, are you saying that those of us who are not Roman Catholic are not saved?

That is exactly what the OP is saying. Even further more the OP is implying we are heretics and false.

It would seem the loving soft hand of eccumenticalism is turning to a fist. I would like to say I did not see this coming but fact is there are those of us who have seen this agenda brewing for years now.
 
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So if Jesus was going to found His church on Peter, He failed miserably.

No, he DID found his Church on Peter, with all Peter's flaws.

And the Church flourished despite Peter and all of his flaws, and Paul and his, and all of since.
 
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That is exactly what the OP is saying. Even further more the OP is implying we are heretics and false.

It would seem the loving soft hand of eccumenticalism is turning to a fist. I would like to say I did not see this coming but fact is there are those of us who have seen this agenda brewing for years now.

Well, that's would be foolish. You may be in error about things, but you don't realize it, and that doesn't make you bad people. It certainly doesn't make you heretics.
 
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No, he DID found his Church on Peter, with all Peter's flaws.

And the Church flourished despite Peter and all of his flaws, and Paul and his, and all of since.

So true. And over and over it seems we hear of how the saints, many if not all, and we would think every one, all, sinned, and often in a significant way, not small.

Christ knew when He said to Peter how Peter would deny him 3 times.

How could anyone not be encouraged by this!

When each of us stumble, we know our Father is just and faithful to forgive us and cleanse us when we confess and repent.
 
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That is exactly what the OP is saying. Even further more the OP is implying we are heretics and false.

It would seem the loving soft hand of eccumenticalism is turning to a fist. I would like to say I did not see this coming but fact is there are those of us who have seen this agenda brewing for years now.
That's what I assumed, but I wanted him to come out and say it.

He is only one person. I can't believe that the majority of Catholics believe this about us? If they do, then it is something new that is being emphasized. I had many Roman Catholic friends in college that were a part of a Bible study with us Protestants. We all got along well together because we all believed in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. That is what we emphasized. While there were differences, we never let that get in the way.
 
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That's what I assumed, but I wanted him to come out and say it.

He is only one person. I can't believe that the majority of Catholics believe this about us? If they do, then it is something new that is being emphasized. I had many Roman Catholic friends in college that were a part of a Bible study with us Protestants. We all got along well together because we all believed in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. That is what we emphasized. While there were differences, we never let that get in the way.

My experience is that the Catholics I meet generally embrace me, and with love. Now, these are the people that are available to meet, of course, that is people that are friendly enough to meet in person. And they haven't treated me less good knowing I go to a different church.

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(I don't think my particular label of church means anything, men's labels, errors, but error is part of human life, part of being human. I see us all as one together in Christ, and labels, names we dare to add to churches, can't block or alter that even slightly.)
 
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My experience is that the Catholics I meet generally embrace me, and with love. Now, these are the people that are available to meet, of course, that is people that are friendly enough to meet in person. And they haven't treated me less good knowing I go to a different church.

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(I don't think my particular label of church means anything, men's labels, errors, but error is part of human life, part of being human. I see us all as one together in Christ, and labels, names we dare to add to churches, can't block or alter that even slightly.)
Exactly. I don't think that labels matter either. All that matters is Christ.

All the Roman Catholics I have met in real life are friendly and accept me, too.

We all believe different things, but the main focus should be on Jesus Christ.
 
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Baby cottontail's question?
So, are you saying that those of us who are not Roman Catholic are not saved?
How many who did not enter the ark were saved? Yes but if you have been baptized you are Catholic, you have to be in the new covenant to be saved! John 3 by water and the spirit (baptism)
 
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