What is and is not a sin... The correct view of sin...?

I hear you, the law is important to society today. It may not protect us from death, more it holds accountability to what is good and right to that what is not. Don't make graven images and worship idols, only sacrifice animals and not humans; don't steal, cheat or lie or take away your neighbours donkey. Moses was writing a law given to him to protect the people from death and utter corruption and division and unite them under one authority, namely God. Just like a country has laws to follow and traditions, God had his laws put into place... and then came Jesus.

What was wrong with Jesus to the Jews? Why those Sadducees and Pharisees who really didn't agree much with each other, both turn on Jesus because they murmured to each and knew not what he was talking about. What was he saying that caused such a stir? Jesus fulfilled the law, becoming our High Priest, abolish the animal sacrificed. Go straight to Jesus from now on, no more asking forgiveness of sins to God, you tell our Lord Jesus straight what happened (he's on your left). Do you think our Lord and Saviour aims to shame you? I think not, your his child within, he knows your true heart and mind and is not confused.

Those who love Lord Jesus know He is the Way, he wants that none should perish, so going back is in error, rather moving forward & acknowledging him in all your ways is the only way to develop relationship with him. Lord Jesus will direct your path and the Holy Spirit will teach and comfort you and together they both lead you to the Father, to know who you are in Him, thus the white stone with the new name.

Before Jesus we had the high priests who could not take away our sins, now we have Jesus who is not counting sin against us. Should we continue to sin? I think not. We have grace to move forward with him and when our hearts condemn us he does not. We know He is true, we feel it, we know ourselves and He alone knows our hearts and minds and he hasn't left us alone to figure this out, we have the power of Holy Spirit now on our right to help keep us in line and no circling.

We are not dealing with sin any longer, we are coming face to face with our strengths and weaknesses & not to be confused with egocentric thinking. Sin is darkness (not knowing) and cannot enter into the Father's presence of knowing the LIGHT and we cannot walk in darkness any longer, we are walking in the light and we learn to self correct along the way.

God proved the organic psyche of the flesh sinful through the law, Jesus proves our inner workings of the soul through fulfilling the law. Our souls are able to transform within by the renewing of our mind, our minds are to become as One with Christ, we are to go from being a servant to becoming a son and daughter. One has to let go of the old in order to understand the new one has to become new through JC in order to be filled with Light. Keep the feet planted firmly on the earth while the mind walks in the heavens.

Kelly McArthur said:

I hear you, the law is important to society today. It may not protect us from death, more it holds accountability to what is good and right to that what is not. Don't make graven images and worship idols, only sacrifice animals and not humans; don't steal, cheat or lie or take away your neighbours donkey. Moses was writing a law given to him to protect the people from death and utter corruption and division and unite them under one authority, namely God. Just like a country has laws to follow and traditions, God had his laws put into place... and then came Jesus.

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Then came Jesus, who set a perfect example for his followers to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's Law, whose example we are told to follow (1 Peter 2:21-22).

What was wrong with Jesus to the Jews? Why those Sadducees and Pharisees who really didn't agree much with each other, both turn on Jesus because they murmured to each and knew not what he was talking about. What was he saying that caused such a stir? Jesus fulfilled the law, becoming our High Priest, abolish the animal sacrificed. Go straight to Jesus from now on, no more asking forgiveness of sins to God, you tell our Lord Jesus straight what happened (he's on your left). Do you think our Lord and Saviour aims to shame you? I think not, your his child within, he knows your true heart and mind and is not confused.

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The problem that the Pharisees had Jesus was that questioned their authority and spoke on his own authority. In Matthew 15:2-3, Jesus was asked why his disciples broke the traditions of the elders and he responded by asking them why they broke the command of God for the sake of their tradition. He went on to say that for the sake of their tradition they made void the Word of God (Matthew 15:6), that they were worshiping God in vain because they were teaching as doctrines the commands of men (Matthew 15:8-9), and that they were hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions (Mark 7:6-9), so his major problem with the Pharisees was that they were not teaching to obey God's Law.

To fulfill the Law means to cause God's will as made known in the Law to be obeyed as it should. After Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law in Matthew 5:17, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly understand and obey it. In Galatians 5:14, it says that loving your neighbor fulfills the entire law, so anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, which means that it does not refer to something unique that Jesus did.

Those who love Lord Jesus know He is the Way, he wants that none should perish, so going back is in error, rather moving forward & acknowledging him in all your ways is the only way to develop relationship with him. Lord Jesus will direct your path and the Holy Spirit will teach and comfort you and together they both lead you to the Father, to know who you are in Him, thus the white stone with the new name.

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The Law is the way (Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 30:15-20, Proverbs 3:18, Matthew 19:17), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Law is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh. Obedience to the Law is the way to grow a relationship with Jesus for righteousness for everyone who has faith (Romans 10:4) and the Holy Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to the Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

Before Jesus we had the high priests who could not take away our sins, now we have Jesus who is not counting sin against us. Should we continue to sin? I think not. We have grace to move forward with him and when our hearts condemn us he does not. We know He is true, we feel it, we know ourselves and He alone knows our hearts and minds and he hasn't left us alone to figure this out, we have the power of Holy Spirit now on our right to help keep us in line and no circling.

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According to John 8:56, Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day and was glad, so the people before the cross looked to Christ in faith for the remission of sins, just as we do.

God proved the organic psyche of the flesh sinful through the law, Jesus proves our inner workings of the soul through fulfilling the law. Our souls are able to transform within by the renewing of our mind, our minds are to become as One with Christ, we are to go from being a servant to becoming a son and daughter. One has to let go of the old in order to understand the new one has to become new through JC in order to be filled with Light. Keep the feet planted firmly on the earth while the mind walks in the heavens.

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There are many verses in the NT that speak about us becoming servants of God, such as Romans 1:1, Romans 6:15-19, 1 Corinthians 4:1, and James 1:1, but we are also sons and daughters.

We are to come before the Father's presence and receive the white stone with the new name and know the hidden manna, a little here and a little there which is food for the soul. I'm not a professional forumist; I'm just a mum and a grandma who saw a veil lift and a white stone caught with a left hand and there was a name on this stone that appeared within my forehead.

It was an accident, I was only following simple instructions and now I know what's going on. I thought the truth would be easy to get out but it appears not. I'm a tad bit of a recluse these days and I'm afraid if it were up to me I'd want to forget all of this and drift away somewhere yet that's kind of a silly thing to write since the reason we are here on this earth is to transform within, by freewill and choice. It's not easy getting the word out, it takes two, one to listen correctly and the other to write as best as possible. I may need help in writing and in speaking.

Kelly McArthur said:

he said that when your heart condemns you he does not.

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I was wondering what passage you got this from?

We do know we are specifically instructed to confess our sins, in the epistles, and thus repent and then "he is just and merciful to forgive" -- if we confess. Read the short and helpful of 1 John chapter 1.

So, when our heart feels guilty ("condemns you"), then you only need confess/repent, and you are forgiven!

I know from need to do this many times that after that confession my heart is no longer burdened with guilt, but the weight is gone!

We are forgiven, even though we've not earned it, but are simply contrite/humble, confess.

Like the prodigal son. Luke chapter 15.

Kelly McArthur said:

We are to come before the Father's presence and receive the white stone with the new name and know the hidden manna, a little here and a little there which is food for the soul. I'm not a professional forumist; I'm just a mum and a grandma who saw a veil lift and a white stone caught with a left hand and there was a name on this stone that appeared within my forehead.

It was an accident, I was only following simple instructions and now I know what's going on. I thought the truth would be easy to get out but it appears not. I'm a tad bit of a recluse these days and I'm afraid if it were up to me I'd want to forget all of this and drift away somewhere yet that's kind of a silly thing to write since the reason we are here on this earth is to transform within, by freewill and choice. It's not easy getting the word out, it takes two, one to listen correctly and the other to write as best as possible. I may need help in writing and in speaking.

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Hi kelly, I also have a little white stone with a name on it. But if, I had to reach for it, it would have been with my right hand, not my left. Be Blessed in Jesus Holy Name

OP: Q: 'What is and is not "a sin"... The correct view of sin.?

Romans 14:23 ...and whatever is not from faith is sin.

1. SIN = "falling short" = ANYTHING contrary to the perfect CHARACTER and ATTRIBUTES of the TRI-UNE GOD...ALL fall short!
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

This is the spiritual gap between God's perfect good and Man's spiritual imperfections.

2. SIN(S) = personal "missing the marks" = willful or ignorant, commission or omission, "trespasses" that cause loss of fellowship with / create a barrier between God and Man...
These can be FORGIVEN!
For unbelievers, SALVATION...another important subject. For believers, CONFESSION (spiritually agreeing with God) 1 John 1

Matthew 1:21
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

sins...Greek 266...hamartia...
B.to miss the mark
C.to err, be mistaken
D.to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
E.to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin
II.that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act

3. SIN NATURE = the natural-born innate capacity and inclination to do / not do those things that can in no way commend Man and his "works" to God....Present in angels and in Eden, the negative part of "free will". This natural tendency is SPIRITUALLY changed by the SALVATION / REDEMPTION EVENT, BUT it still rears its ugly head in the BODY / SOUL combo ("flesh") during the SANCTIFICATION PROCESS.

SEE: Jesus on the Heart of Man
Matthew 15: 15-20

4. IMPUTED SIN:?...Romans 5:12. 15-17 (NIV)...Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ = BUT: IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS

2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 3:10
as it is written, “There is none (spiritually) righteous, not even one;

How believers deal with SIN(S) in their lives...>>> the "carnal Christ-follower " must CONFESS (agree with God)...
1 John 1: 5-10...Walking in the Light

1 Peter 3: 15-22 (NIV1984)... substitutionary atonement
For Christ (Jesus the God-Man) died FOR (ALL) sin(s) once FOR ALL,
the righteous (Jesus the God-Man) FOR the unrighteous,(all natural men with IMPUTED SIN)
to bring you to God. (salvation and reconciliation)

How did this happen for you, are you able to write? For myself there was a counterclockwise swirling beneath my sternum; I grasp my right hand and held wondering "what?" and this swirl stopped and became hard and dropped and I looked down and saw a veil lift and a left hand caught a white stone with a name on it. I only saw the stone for a twinkle.

John 10:27.

Peace and blessing to you from Lord Jesus ~

Revelations 3:21.

Halbhh said:

I was wondering what passage you got this from?

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Romans 8:34.
1 John 3:21
1 John 4:4
1 Corinthians 4:4
Acts 23:1

Sin is darkness, Jesus is light. When you're walking with Lord Jesus, darkness is no more. The trip here is people separate Lord God from our Lord Jesus and go back to the old ways.

Peace is coming to the world because of Christ. He is first, we are second, we are the body, our minds are to be renewed through following Him straight to the Father.

"Peace is coming to the world because of Christ."

oops...That is not what Jesus says/prophesizes.

Spiritually discern Matthew 24!

Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

A sword is the "word of God". It divides families, Nations, and the entire world.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Kelly McArthur said:

Romans 8:34.
1 John 3:21
1 John 4:4
1 Corinthians 4:4
Acts 23:1

Sin is darkness, Jesus is light. When you're walking with Lord Jesus, darkness is no more. The trip here is people separate Lord God from our Lord Jesus and go back to the old ways.

Peace is coming to the world because of Christ. He is first, we are second, we are the body, our minds are to be renewed through following Him straight to the Father.

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John teaches us we are to confess and repent from our sins, and then our hearts won't feel guilty (chapter 1, leading into chapter 3), just as in the verse you cite in chapter 3. That is, the verse 21 in chapter 3 (or verses 19-23) follow after chapter 1 verses 8-10 (all, not just one). In John's writing here, the previous chapters matter -- they lead into the verses that come after. 1 John has many invaluable teachings for us, and it's totally worth reading.

We have (99% of us) to start in the first chapter, and it's worth the hours of time, because what it at stake is so great.

Neogaia777 said:

What is and is not a sin... The correct view of sin...?

Some say just about everything is a sin, some say some things are under some circumstances and not in others, then some others say "not everything we think is a sin, is a sin", and I would like those ones to explain further...? They seem to have a narrower view of sin, while having to broad a view of sin, makes everything a sin...

Who's right...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

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Fortunately, we have a very straightforward definition of sin in the Bible!

1 John 3:4
"...for sin is the transgression of the Law"

So the question is what is the Law? It's Genesis through Deuteronomy. So if you're looking for a way to debate with these people what sin is then read Genesis through Deuteronomy.

Now the next question is "did Jesus change the Law and therefore change what sin is defined as?". I would say "no". There is no prophecy that the Messiah will change the Law. On the contrary, there is prophecy that the Messiah will teach the Law (see Deut 18:15). One of Moses' primary roles was the teacher/medium by which God taught Israel the Law. Disturbingly, there is a prophecy that the Antichrist will change the Law (Daniel 7:25).

But don't worry, Jesus is the Messiah! The Christian Church just misunderstands what Jesus taught. Unfortunately, many pastors are versed in tradition and only those parts of Scripture that seemingly support that tradition.

Hope that helps!

christopheralan88 said:

Fortunately, we have a very straightforward definition of sin in the Bible!

1 John 3:4
"...for sin is the transgression of the Law"

So the question is what is the Law? It's Genesis through Deuteronomy. So if you're looking for a way to debate with these people what sin is then read Genesis through Deuteronomy.

Now the next question is "did Jesus change the Law and therefore change what sin is defined as?". I would say "no". There is no prophecy that the Messiah will change the Law. On the contrary, there is prophecy that the Messiah will teach the Law (see Deut 18:15). One of Moses' primary roles was the teacher/medium by which God taught Israel the Law. Disturbingly, there is a prophecy that the Antichrist will change the Law (Daniel 7:25).

But don't worry, Jesus is the Messiah! The Christian Church just misunderstands what Jesus taught. Unfortunately, many pastors are versed in tradition and only those parts of Scripture that seemingly support that tradition.

Hope that helps!

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Wonderfully, Christ Himself says what is the Law in essence (such as in Matthew 22, v36-40, and in Matthew 7, v12).

Matthew 22:36 Context: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?"

Some Christians always need to learn because there are so many millions. Many realize we are to obey His commandments, and have no misunderstanding of that at all. We know that after Ephesians 2, v 8-9, so often quoted, immediately next comes verse 10 the clear continuation of verse 8 and 9, clearly meant as a part of them.

"So the question is what is the Law? It's Genesis through Deuteronomy."

It is NOT. Capital L "Law" is the Mosaic Law, those OT commands given by God to Moses on the Tablets. SEE:
EXODUS 20!

Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law.

Matthew 5:17 (all NASB)
“Do not think that I came to abolish the (Mosaic) Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Luke 24:44...post-resurrection Jesus to His closest followers
Now He said to them,
“These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

IN CONTEXT:

1 John 3 (NASB)...Children of God Should Love One Another
1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called "children of God"; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now we are "children of God" (believers), and it has not appeared as yet what we will be.
We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

lawlessness...Greek 458...anomia...
I.the condition of without law
A.because ignorant of it
B.because of violating it
II.contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Neogaia777 said:

When does, or how does that "start" most often, do you think?

Does it start with loving God...? Loving others...? Certainly it does not start with yourself at least...?

What does the process of this "love growth" look like...?, What are it's "stages" (so to speak) to growing into this maturity, this understanding of love that transforms you to a place, where Love and the Law, will meet, basically...?

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We are living in a programmed 'school', and we move through different 'doors' or stages upwards or downwards according to our behaviour . Since all of us have sinned since we were created, (at creation) and none of us could save ourselves, as the last age begun Jesus knowing it was the Last Age, sacrificed Himself to earn the universal grace which allows us to enter 'heaven '.
Most people are stuck at the 'milk stage' of spiritual developement ,but not all .

Moses did received the Law from the angels.

The Father's plan is being fulfilled (Matthew 5:17) through the Law, its a sting operation and Christ Jesus who loves us is now our High Priest and not worried one Iota; knowing full well the ego is a copy cat manifested from the flesh who wears many hats, he cannot do what Jesus has done and never is able to inherit eternal life.

The second coming will show the manifestation of the ego in a copy cat fashion, those who pretend to know and call themselves a Christ when they really don't have a clue, rather are able to play the part. Only those who trust Lord Jesus will be able to cross over.

John 13:35
John 14:9. "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

Matt 16:24. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

1 John 3:6. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

John 14:26,27 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Ephesians 1:4

Our sweet Lord and precious Saviour Jesus is leading all who seek him to the Father. We learn to trust Him alone, we know there is none good except him.

Lord Jesus is One with the Father able to enter into the holy of holies within our hearts and minds and we know nothing by ourselves, thought the ego would like deceive many to believe otherwise. We know only what is good and pleasing because of Him & we are able to enter into the presence of the True Father of Lights and receive Truth in the most inner parts only because of Jesus, because he made the way for us; He loved us first.

I asked Lord to awaken me on purpose, every day, every time I remembered I asked while I kept working, taking care of what needed to be done and I began to understand how much I didn't know and found he was on my left side, it was really quite something. He directed me to the Holy Spirit who was on my right and together I was taught how to walk the way with him. It was a pendulum swinging across the way LEFT and RIGHT and LEFT... and the path was made straight and I took one step at a time like a glide. Anyone else find this?

Ron Gurley said:

"So the question is what is the Law? It's Genesis through Deuteronomy."

It is NOT. Capital L "Law" is the Mosaic Law, those OT commands given by God to Moses on the Tablets. SEE:
EXODUS 20!

Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law.

Matthew 5:17 (all NASB)
“Do not think that I came to abolish the (Mosaic) Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Luke 24:44...post-resurrection Jesus to His closest followers
Now He said to them,
“These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

IN CONTEXT:

1 John 3 (NASB)...Children of God Should Love One Another
1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called "children of God"; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now we are "children of God" (believers), and it has not appeared as yet what we will be.
We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

lawlessness...Greek 458...anomia...
I.the condition of without law
A.because ignorant of it
B.because of violating it
II.contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

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The Law (Torah in Hebrew) is the first five books of the Tanakh ("Old Testament"). Below is the Hebrew word "Torah" on Blue Letter Bible, which commonly translates to "Law". In the Outline of Biblical Usage section you'll see "Mosaic Law". In the Strong's Concordance section you'll see "a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch:—law". The Pentateuch is the first five books of the Bible - Genesis through Deuteronomy. If you go to wikipedia and search "Torah" you'll get this as one of the first sentences on the page: " It (Torah) can most specifically mean the first five books (Pentateuch) of the 24 books of the Tanakh ("Old Testament").

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

It's interesting to me when Matthew 5:17 is quoted as seeming proof that Jesus said in His own words that He changed the Law for us. The way you used it, it sounds like Jesus is saying "Don't anyone think I came to abolish the Law. I didn't come to do abolish, but to do away with". That doesn't make sense.

Also, when we read the next two verses in Matthew 5:18 we see "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." We don't see heaven and earth passing away until Revelation 21:1, which is after the 1000 year reign of Messiah on earth. This 1000 year reign and earth and heaven passing away clearly has not happened yet, so per Jesus' own words, the Law is still in place today.

Moreover, Jesus says in 5:19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven". If Jesus is fulfilling/doing away with the Law so that we don't have to do it anymore, then why is there a punishment for those who don't do the Law and teach other people not to do it, as well as a reward for those who do the Law and teach others to do the Law also?

You're interpretation of Matthew 5:17 hinges on the word "fulfill", which is translated from the Greek word "pleroo". Here is the link for this word on Blue Letter Bible.

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)

Notice especially how it says in the Outline of Biblical Usage section: "to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment". And in the Strong's Concordance section: "fully preach". So, that word doesn't mean "do away with". It seems to mean more like "correctly or fully teach/preach". That definition ties in very well with what Jesus says in Matthew 5:18-19 about no jot or tittle of the Law passing away until heaven and earth pass away (which doesn't happen until Revelation 21:1) and there being a reward/punishment for doing/not doing the Law.

It's interesting how you only quoted "New Testament" verses and ignored the prophecy about Messiah in Deuteronomy 18:15 and the prophecy of the Antichrist in Daniel 7:25. Shouldn't we apply those to Jesus if we're claiming He's Messiah? Again, if He is Messiah then according to Deuteronomy 18:15 and Daniel 7:25 He could not be changing the Law, but could only be teaching it (which again lines up with "pleroo" in Matthew 5:17). In fact, if Jesus had taught anything other than the Law, He would be sinning (Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32) and would be a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:1-6). If He added/removed commands to/from the Law, then He wouldn't have been keeping the Law perfectly.

Kelly McArthur said:

Moses did received the Law from the angels.

The Father's plan is being fulfilled (Matthew 5:17) through the Law, its a sting operation and Christ Jesus who loves us is now our High Priest and not worried one Iota; knowing full well the ego is a copy cat manifested from the flesh who wears many hats, he cannot do what Jesus has done and never is able to inherit eternal life.

The second coming will show the manifestation of the ego in a copy cat fashion, those who pretend to know and call themselves a Christ when they really don't have a clue, rather are able to play the part. Only those who trust Lord Jesus will be able to cross over.

John 13:35
John 14:9. "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

Matt 16:24. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

1 John 3:6. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

John 14:26,27 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Ephesians 1:4

Our sweet Lord and precious Saviour Jesus is leading all who seek him to the Father. We learn to trust Him alone, we know there is none good except him.

Lord Jesus is One with the Father able to enter into the holy of holies within our hearts and minds and we know nothing by ourselves, thought the ego would like deceive many to believe otherwise. We know only what is good and pleasing because of Him & we are able to enter into the presence of the True Father of Lights and receive Truth in the most inner parts only because of Jesus, because he made the way for us; He loved us first.

I asked Lord to awaken me on purpose, every day, every time I remembered I asked while I kept working, taking care of what needed to be done and I began to understand how much I didn't know and found he was on my left side, it was really quite something. He directed me to the Holy Spirit who was on my right and together I was taught how to walk the way with him. It was a pendulum swinging across the way LEFT and RIGHT and LEFT... and the path was made straight and I took one step at a time like a glide. Anyone else find this?

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Hi Kelly,

No, Moses did not receive the Law from the angels. He received from God. And if Jesus is God, then He received it from Jesus. Look through the Law and you will see many commands start like this "The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 'Speak to the people of Israel and say to them..." (Leviticus 23:1-2). You won't find any mention of angels speaking the Law to Moses. Jesus spoke it to Moses and Moses taught the Law to Israel.

You also said "we are able to enter into the presence of the True Father of Lights and receive Truth in the most inner part". What does the Bible define as Truth? As one example, look at Psalm 119:142: "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth". Let the Bible define words for you and you'll be surprised what you find . We also see Jesus in John 16:13 say "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come". Again, the Bible defines truth as the Law. The Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth/Law and He (actually the Spirit is feminine, but that's another topic) will guide us in Truth/Law.

I can relate to what you are saying in your last paragraph . You may not realize it, but God is teaching you some of the Law ! Consider Deuteronomy 5:32 and 28:14! If we're walking with God and we're not supposed to deviate to the left or right according to these verses (and others), then what direction are we supposed to keep walking? Straight (check out Matthew 7:14)!!! The Law is the straight and narrow path, which we are not to turn to the left or right from .

Oh, and in case there's any confusion, I'm not saying that the Law is my salvation. Jesus alone is my salvation. But, by following the Law, I show evidence of my salvation (James 2:18) .

Halbhh said:

Wonderfully, Christ Himself says what is the Law in essence (such as in Matthew 22, v36-40, and in Matthew 7, v12).

Matthew 22:36 Context: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?"

Some Christians always need to learn because there are so many millions. Many realize we are to obey His commandments, and have no misunderstanding of that at all. We know that after Ephesians 2, v 8-9, so often quoted, immediately next comes verse 10 the clear continuation of verse 8 and 9, clearly meant as a part of them.

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Hey Halbhh,

Just to clarify, are you saying Jesus changed the Law? If so, my response to Ron Gurley above might shed some light on that .

The 10 Commandments in Exodus/Deut. is the heart and spirit of the Torah/Pentateuch.
The remainder is ritual rules/history for the Abramic/Mosaic chosen peoples/Nations.

Jesus was sinless. He did not break the Law given to Moses, the Mosaic Law. He confirmed, clarified, added to and obeyed God's "Laws" in the NT. His NEW precepts and example replaced and fulfilled the OLD letter of the "Law" of the OT.

As Christ-Followers we are freed from the impossible burden of perfect obedience to the OT Law.

Galatians 2:16
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Romans 3:27-28,31
Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 4:13-14,16
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.
For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace,
so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law,
but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,