LDS How did the Mormon Jesus get his Exaltation?

Peter1000

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The verse in not troubling at all!! You are making it in order to force it to say what you want it to say. Bottom line----likeness is not the same as the actual object. Reflection, image, resemblance, lookalike, You claim God could have breathed His substance into 'Adam, that obviously did not happen or every creature that draws breath would be made of His substance. Do you still maintain this is what happened or were you just grasping at straws???
Repetition and redundancy in the bible is rampant!!!

42:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and [why] art thou disquieted in me?
hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him [for] the help of his countenance.

42:11 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God:
for I shall yet praise him, [who is] the health of my countenance, and my God.

43:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God:
for I shall yet praise him, [who is] the health of my countenance, and my God.
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God.
They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand,
[and] seek God.
They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people [as] they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
There were they in great fear: for God [is] in the generation of the righteous.
Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD [is] his refuge.
Oh that the salvation of Israel [were come] out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people,
Jacob shall rejoice, [and] Israel shall be glad.
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God.
Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.
God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand,
that did seek God.
Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.
Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people [as] they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
There were they in great fear, [where] no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth [against] thee: thou hast put [them] to shame, because God hath despised them.
Oh that the salvation of Israel [were come] out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people,
Jacob shall rejoice, [and] Israel shall be glad.
Here are a few lengthy passages (including entire chapters): II Kings 18:13-20:11 & Isaiah 36:1-22:8,
and II Kings 24:18-25:30 & Jeremiah 52.
II Chronicles 36:22-23 above & Ezra 1:1-3
Psalm 40:13-17 & Psalm 70
Psalms 57:7-11 + 60:5-12 & Psalm 108

1Ch 16:34 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 106:1 Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 107: 1 O give thanks unto the LORD, for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 118: 1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: because his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 118:29 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 136: 1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth]

There is more---much, much more
Repetition & Redundancy in the Scriptures


1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, ...
1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
1:17 ... I am the first and the last:
2:8 ... saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. ...
21:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. ________________________
1:4 ... from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; ...
1:8 ... which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
4:8 ... Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Did you sit up all night coming up with redundant scriptures? I guess I thank you, but it is not going to pursuade me from knowing that 'image' = shape of God, and 'likeness' = the substance of God. Sorry to keep you up all night.

As you say, 'likeness' is not the same as the actual object. Do you think that our substance (flesh) is exactly the same as God's substance (perfect, resurrected, incorruptible, exalted flesh)??? That's exactly why He uses 'likeness', because although we both have flesh, they are light years apart in qualities. We have God's image and we are in His likeness, but not till we are resurrected will we have the same substance as Jesus has and God has.
 
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Did you sit up all night coming up with redundant scriptures? I guess I thank you, but it is not going to pursuade me from knowing that 'image' = shape of God, and 'likeness' = the substance of God. Sorry to keep you up all night.

As you say, 'likeness' is not the same as the actual object. Do you think that our substance (flesh) is exactly the same as God's substance (perfect, resurrected, incorruptible, exalted flesh)??? That's exactly why He uses 'likeness', because although we both have flesh, they are light years apart in qualities. We have God's image and we are in His likeness, but not till we are resurrected will we have the same substance as Jesus has and God has.

Not at all---you just have to go to the website I posted. And I knew that facts were not going to change your mind. I was just putting it out there in case someone else might be able to hear the Holy Spirit talking and see that your theory is all wrong. There is not one single word in the entire bible that says what you believe and your only source for such an idea is JS. It is JS that you believe in, not the bible and certainly not the Holy Spirit.
And that is why you are not considered Christian, for not one apostle, not one OT Jew, not even Jesus ever said that or ever thought such a thing. Jesus could, for He was once the same as God, but than He took on humanity and remains human, though glorified. It is something that JS thought of, and not through the Holy Spirit but through the same Spirit that once said --"I will be like the most high." It is quite obvious to those that are not blinded by delusions of power.
 
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Not at all---you just have to go to the website I posted. And I knew that facts were not going to change your mind. I was just putting it out there in case someone else might be able to hear the Holy Spirit talking and see that your theory is all wrong. There is not one single word in the entire bible that says what you believe and your only source for such an idea is JS. It is JS that you believe in, not the bible and certainly not the Holy Spirit.
And that is why you are not considered Christian, for not one apostle, not one OT Jew, not even Jesus ever said that or ever thought such a thing. Jesus could, for He was once the same as God, but than He took on humanity and remains human, though glorified. It is something that JS thought of, and not through the Holy Spirit but through the same Spirit that once said --"I will be like the most high." It is quite obvious to those that are not blinded by delusions of power.
So you do not even think that Jesus is made of the same stuff as God his Father?
 
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So you do not even think that Jesus is made of the same stuff as God his Father?


Did I not say He was?---He certainly was. But now, He is also human. We never were made up of the same thing as God---only Jesus.
 
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Did I not say He was?---He certainly was. But now, He is also human. We never were made up of the same thing as God---only Jesus.
So Jesus was once made of the same stuff as God the Father, but now he is also human. Which I'm guessing means he is made of flesh and spirit?

Doesn't that kind of throw a wrinkle in the stuff?

If Jesus is made up of both flesh and spirit, and he is made up of the same stuff as God the Father, wouldn't God the Father have to be made up of flesh and spirit also? Is He?

Or do you believe that Jesus is now made up of something different than God the Father?
 
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So Jesus was once made of the same stuff as God the Father, but now he is also human. Which I'm guessing means he is made of flesh and spirit?

Doesn't that kind of throw a wrinkle in the stuff?

If Jesus is made up of both flesh and spirit, and he is made up of the same stuff as God the Father, wouldn't God the Father have to be made up of flesh and spirit also? Is He?

Or do you believe that Jesus is now made up of something different than God the Father?


God the Father and Jesus were the same. Jesus became human---He retains His humanity. God the Father is not, never has been human. Jesus is now different and yet the same as His Father. It's not something that is explained in the bible. What you want to do is bring God the Father down to that pet theory of JS that God was once human---He never was, never will be. Only Jesus became human in order to save us--period. You think whatever you want--this demeans God and elevates us so that we too can be gods---there is no other God but the Father and there never will be. God is alone with the Holy Spirit and only Jesus is a partaker of His Father for He is of the Father. That is why God must adopt us---for we are not, never have been His natural children. It is something that JS and his alter ego dreamed up and the concept clearly shows that JS was not a prophet of God. If he was any kind of prophet at all, he was not God's. There is no way on the earth that you can even come close to proving this devilish concept for it is in no way even hinted at anywhere in the bible.
 
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God is spirit. We are not, nor will we be. God is divine. We are not, nor will we be.

You said God would be a liar (there is your lie tactic again) if he made us divine.

I asked how would that make God a liar?

You say he would be a liar because God is a spirit, and God is divine. That's kind of not a good reason, because God is divine, and LDS believe (and it is backed up by scripture) that God has promised to make His adopted children in the gospel of Jesus Christ, joint-heirs with his Son Jesus Christ in all that the Father has. We would never be able to be joint-heirs and sit on his throne if we were not divine too.

The right answer is: God is divine, and He is powerful enought to make his adopted heirs divine too.
Oh, and He lies not.
 
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You said God would be a liar (there is your lie tactic again) if he made us divine.

I asked how would that make God a liar?

You say he would be a liar because God is a spirit, and God is divine. That's kind of not a good reason, because God is divine, and LDS believe (and it is backed up by scripture) that God has promised to make His adopted children in the gospel of Jesus Christ, joint-heirs with his Son Jesus Christ in all that the Father has. We would never be able to be joint-heirs and sit on his throne if we were not divine too.

The right answer is: God is divine, and He is powerful enought to make his adopted heirs divine too.
Oh, and He lies not.
God would violate his own scripture.

You are my witnesses, says the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he. Before me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after me (Isaiah 43:10).

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts; I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).

God has always existed; he did not become God. We have not always existed, despite what is taught by the lds.
 
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God would violate his own scripture.

You are my witnesses, says the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he. Before me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after me (Isaiah 43:10).

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts; I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).

God has always existed; he did not become God. We have not always existed, despite what is taught by the lds.
Which God said this? God the Father, God the Son, or God the HS?
 
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Which God said this? God the Father, God the Son, or God the HS?

There is only ONE GOD!

Deuteronomy 6:4-9(KJV)
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
 
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There is only ONE GOD!

Deuteronomy 6:4-9(KJV)
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Which God of the Godhead said this?

Or which Person of the Trinity said it? Since the Persons are distinct from each other, which one said it?
 
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Which God of the Godhead said this?

Or which Person of the Trinity said it? Since the Persons are distinct from each other, which one said it?

There is only ONE GOD!
 
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There is only ONE GOD!
In the Trinity doctrine there are 3 Persons in 1 God.

In the Godhead doctrine there are 3 Gods in 1 God.

Almost the same. So I ask again, which God or Person said there is no one beside me?

You know there names, so which one said it?
 
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In the Trinity doctrine there are 3 Persons in 1 God.

In the Godhead doctrine there are 3 Gods in 1 God.

Almost the same. So I ask again, which God or Person said there is no one beside me?

You know there names, so which one said it?

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is One God, not exalted humans nor three individual beings. God is all knowing. Our One God is the only God.

Which Mormon god said there is no one beside me?
 
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Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is One God, not exalted humans nor three individual beings. God is all knowing. Our One God is the only God.

Which Mormon god said there is no one beside me?
If I had to guess, it was Yahweh/Jesus Christ. He is the one that was given power and authority to create all things physical in the universe. He is the one that was given power and authority to manage the creation and make contact with prophets and finally to sacrifice himself for the salvation of all mankind.

So as far as we are concerned, Yahweh/Jesus was it. He was given power and authority to be our God, there is no god beside him when it comes to the governance of this earth and heavens. None.

Having said that, that does not eliminate Jesus's God and Father, God the Father, nor does it eliminate God the HS. They just concur that it is Yahweh/Jesus that is the 1 in charge.

So now that I have answered your question, tell me which Person of the Trinity made this statement?
 
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If I had to guess, it was Yahweh/Jesus Christ. He is the one that was given power and authority to create all things physical in the universe. He is the one that was given power and authority to manage the creation and make contact with prophets and finally to sacrifice himself for the salvation of all mankind.

So as far as we are concerned, Yahweh/Jesus was it. He was given power and authority to be our God, there is no god beside him when it comes to the governance of this earth and heavens. None.

Having said that, that does not eliminate Jesus's God and Father, God the Father, nor does it eliminate God the HS. They just concur that it is Yahweh/Jesus that is the 1 in charge.

So now that I have answered your question, tell me which Person of the Trinity made this statement?
So when the Bible says "no god", the lds don't really believe that because there are other gods, right? And the Bible does not state "governance of this earth and heavens", so the lds just make that up to fit their theology, right?

She did answer your question - God said that. There is no "1 in charge."
 
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So when the Bible says "no god", the lds don't really believe that because there are other gods, right? And the Bible does not state "governance of this earth and heavens", so the lds just make that up to fit their theology, right?

She did answer your question - God said that. There is no "1 in charge."

Your Trinity declares that there are 3 Persons in that 1 God. Those 3 Persons have to be standing next to each other, because they are distinct. In fact, Jesus is at the present sitting next to the Father waiting for the time of his second coming.

Right now, Jesus is sitting next to God in heaven. How exactly does that manifest itself. If God said no god is next to me, does that change when you know that Jesus is sitting next to God in heaven?
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Does that change when you see Stephen seeing Jesus standing next to God as he is being killed?
 
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