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What is your interpretation of 'partaking of the divine nature' that God has promised us if we overcome the corruption of this world?
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

As far as I know there is only 1 divine nature and that is God's divine nature.

So how do you interpret this scriputre???

Do you guys not read the answers to your questions?? This was already answered--
Yes, physically like Him, the scriptures do testify of this doctrine.

In the very first chapter of Genesis it says that God (and others, using the words 'let us') made man 'in His image, and in His likeness'. Now I know you deny this, but LDS believe we were made of the same stuff as God. This 1 statement to us, confirms that we are right.

Jesus is our perfect example of being made of the same stuff as God. Jesus is made of the same stuff as God is, isn't he??

Jesus changed form from spirit to flesh. He became 100% man, (yes he was divine too) but his flesh was exactly the same as our flesh. We know that because he had to eat, he hand to sleep, he felt pain, he bled, and he died. That is exactly our experience in the flesh, exactly.

The when Jesus died, he changed form again and went back to just spirit for 3 days, and then changed form again and was resurrected into a body of flesh again, which he showed his apostles and others. And in this flesh body, he ascended to heaven and to his God and to his Father (John 20:17)

Is Jesus made of the same stuff as God. Because there is no reason from the bible to believe that our bodies will not be exactly like Jesus's resurrected body and Jesus's resurrected body is made of the same stuff as God. Right?

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Yes, physically like Him, the scriptures do testify of this doctrine.

In the very first chapter of Genesis it says that God (and others, using the words 'let us') made man 'in His image, and in His likeness'. Now I know you deny this, but LDS believe we were made of the same stuff as God. This 1 statement to us, confirms that we are right.

Jesus is our perfect example of being made of the same stuff as God. Jesus is made of the same stuff as God is, isn't he??

Jesus changed form from spirit to flesh. He became 100% man, (yes he was divine too) but his flesh was exactly the same as our flesh. We know that because he had to eat, he hand to sleep, he felt pain, he bled, and he died. That is exactly our experience in the flesh, exactly.

The when Jesus died, he changed form again and went back to just spirit for 3 days, and then changed form again and was resurrected into a body of flesh again, which he showed his apostles and others. And in this flesh body, he ascended to heaven and to his God and to his Father (John 20:17)

Is Jesus made of the same stuff as God. Because there is no reason from the bible to believe that our bodies will not be exactly like Jesus's resurrected body and Jesus's resurrected body is made of the same stuff as God. Right?


As has been pointed out time and time again--being made in the image is not the same thing as being made of the same material. A Barbie doll is made in our image---so are corn cob dolls, so are the most realistic robots out there that are difficult to even see that they are not real---but they are not made of real flesh and blood and bone and real skin---image is just that--resemblance only. You know that but refuse to accept it. Jesus and God are a whole different thing---they are one in a way we can not be for Jesus was not created from mud--you know that. We were. Jesus is not an image--He is from God in a way we can not understand---before and after His human conception. We are an image. You have yet to show anywhere that states we are made of the same material as God.
 
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As has been pointed out time and time again--being made in the image is not the same thing as being made of the same material. A Barbie doll is made in our image---so are corn cob dolls, so are the most realistic robots out there that are difficult to even see that they are not real---but they are not made of real flesh and blood and bone and real skin---image is just that--resemblance only. You know that but refuse to accept it. Jesus and God are a whole different thing---they are one in a way we can not be for Jesus was not created from mud--you know that. We were. Jesus is not an image--He is from God in a way we can not understand---before and after His human conception. We are an image. You have yet to show anywhere that states we are made of the same material as God.
That is why God chose 2 words to explain this verses meaning.

Genesis 1:26 says Let us make man in our 1) image, and in our 2)likeness. Mainstream Christians always forget the word likeness because it strongly implies that we were made to be of the same kind of stuff that is like He is made of.

However, if we only had the word 'image', it still tells us what God's image is. It has a head, and a torso, and 2 legs, and 2 arms, and 10 toes, and 10 fingers. That is our image and therefore it has to be the image of God for as
Genesis 1:26 we were made in His image.

The 'likeness' part is to let us know that we were made to be like He is made. Since we are made of flesh, and Jesus was made of flesh, you would not argue that Jesus is made of the same stuff as God, then it proves that we are too, made of the same stuff as God. Besides if we have the capability of immortality, it strongly implies again that we have enjoyed immortality for a long time only in a different form. Remember Jeses went through many form changed before he was exalted in his resurrected body. We will do the same thing as Jesus, he is our perfect example.

So your doll example falls apart after you get past 'image'. Yes a doll can be made in our 'image', but a doll has not flesh, but plastic, which is not in our 'likeness'. Don't forget 'likeness', it is the key.

The only person I know of that was made from mud was Adam. We don't know that even Eve was made from mud and Adams sons came from Eves body, not from mud. Now there is some metaphoric statements that from dust we came and to dust we will return. Well, unless a woman has a lot of dust in her body and that is where the fetus begins, then that statrment has to be metaphoric rather than real. I go with metaphoric.
 
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Do you guys not read the answers to your questions?? This was already answered--


read the posts again!!!
Yes this was answered. You believe that we were made in God's image. So we look like Him.

You believe that we can have the same kind of character as God has. So we act just like Him.

But there you stop.

LDS takes it just 1 step further and lets people know that we are not only in God's image and we can have the same kind of character (divine) that He has, be we believe that He has given us the power (if we overcome the corruption of this world) to be made of the same stuff that He's is made of. This is not a great leap of faith.
 
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Which is refusing to acknowledge that Bible does not say anything about God versus humans being made up of two different types of "stuff".

Until you're willing to acknowledge that is actually in the Bible versus not, I'm sorry... but this is an extremely fruitless conversation.
This is an illustration of the differences, found in the Bible itself:

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand.

The clay cannot become the potter, or any potter for that matter. There are numerous other versus with this potter and clay analogy. We will never be divine like our Heavenly Potter!
 
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What is your interpretation of 'partaking of the divine nature' that God has promised us if we overcome the corruption of this world?
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

As far as I know there is only 1 divine nature and that is God's divine nature.

So how do you interpret this scriputre???
Partaker does not mean "become the same as". I can partake in the offerings of food and drink at a party, but I do not become the food or drink by doing so.

We partake in God's divine nature when we, through God's grace, are saved by believing in Jesus Christ.
 
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That is why God chose 2 words to explain this verses meaning.

Genesis 1:26 says Let us make man in our 1) image, and in our 2)likeness. Mainstream Christians always forget the word likeness because it strongly implies that we were made to be of the same kind of stuff that is like He is made of.

However, if we only had the word 'image', it still tells us what God's image is. It has a head, and a torso, and 2 legs, and 2 arms, and 10 toes, and 10 fingers. That is our image and therefore it has to be the image of God for as
Genesis 1:26 we were made in His image.

The 'likeness' part is to let us know that we were made to be like He is made. Since we are made of flesh, and Jesus was made of flesh, you would not argue that Jesus is made of the same stuff as God, then it proves that we are too, made of the same stuff as God. Besides if we have the capability of immortality, it strongly implies again that we have enjoyed immortality for a long time only in a different form. Remember Jeses went through many form changed before he was exalted in his resurrected body. We will do the same thing as Jesus, he is our perfect example.

So your doll example falls apart after you get past 'image'. Yes a doll can be made in our 'image', but a doll has not flesh, but plastic, which is not in our 'likeness'. Don't forget 'likeness', it is the key.

The only person I know of that was made from mud was Adam. We don't know that even Eve was made from mud and Adams sons came from Eves body, not from mud. Now there is some metaphoric statements that from dust we came and to dust we will return. Well, unless a woman has a lot of dust in her body and that is where the fetus begins, then that statrment has to be metaphoric rather than real. I go with metaphoric.


Yes--Adam was made from and we are his offspring. It just says God took Adam's rib and made Eve. You can call it metaphoric, more likely the rib was used to form her from the dust also---for she was "bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh"--she definitely was of the same material as Adam. Likeness and image are the same thing---it's been said to you over and over and you know by now but you keep trying to sneak this concept in---it is the same as when this was said
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Reiteration---
the fact or quality of being alike; resemblance:
"her likeness to him was astonishing" ·
resemblance · similarity · similitude · correspondence
antonyms: dissimilarity
26 and~he~will~SAY(Verb) {וַיֹּאמֶר / wai'yo'mer} Elohiym {אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him} we~will~DO(Verb) {נַעֲשֶׂה / na'a'seh} HUMAN {אָדָם / a'dam} in~IMAGE~us {בְּצַלְמֵנוּ / bê'tsal'mey'nu} like~LIKENESS~us {כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ / kid'mu'tey'nu} and~he~did~RULE(Verb) {וְיִרְדּוּ / wê'yir'du} in~FISH {בִדְגַת / vid'gat} the~SEA {הַיָּם / hai'yam} and~in~FLYER {וּבְעוֹף / uv'oph} the~SKY~s2 {הַשָּׁמַיִם / ha'sha'ma'yim} and~in~the~BEAST {וּבַבְּהֵמָה / u'va'be'hey'mah} and~in~ALL {וּבְכָל / uv'khol} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets} and~in~ALL {וּבְכָל / uv'khol} the~TREADER {הָרֶמֶשׂ / ha're'mes} the~TREAD(Verb)~ing(ms) {הָרֹמֵשׂ / ha'ro'meys} UPON {עַל / al} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets}

and Elohiym said, we will make a human in our image, like our likeness, and he will rule in the fish of the sea and in the flyers of the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all the treaders treading upon the land,
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

God did not create the man out of nothing; instead he formed him out of the ground. With our new understanding of the word ברא, discussed previously, he filled him with his image, which brings us to the next word.

The word צלם (tselem), translated as "image" above, is also translated in other passages as an "idol", which is an "image" of a god. A more Hebraic understanding of the word would be a "shadow". An idol is meant to be a "shadow" of the original, a representation, just as a "shadow" is the image of the original. We can now read the above passage as:

"So God filled the man with his shadow, with the shadow of God he filled him; male and female he filled them". Genesis 1:27
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We are not God's natural children---that is why He adopts, for only the natural child can be a "real" child---the unrelated must be adopted.
 
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Yes this was answered. You believe that we were made in God's image. So we look like Him.

You believe that we can have the same kind of character as God has. So we act just like Him.

But there you stop.

LDS takes it just 1 step further and lets people know that we are not only in God's image and we can have the same kind of character (divine) that He has, be we believe that He has given us the power (if we overcome the corruption of this world) to be made of the same stuff that He's is made of. This is not a great leap of faith.


It is fiction. JS made it up and you fell for it. Not one passage in all of the bible states his point of view.
 
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Were the first 2 statements fiction? (look at post 404)

No, we are made to resemble God---we can reflect His character. Somehow, we are made to look somewhat like him, what that means we do not fully know yet---like I said, a doll is made in our image. They are a likeness, not the actual being.
 
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Yes--Adam was made from and we are his offspring. It just says God took Adam's rib and made Eve. You can call it metaphoric, more likely the rib was used to form her from the dust also---for she was "bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh"--she definitely was of the same material as Adam. Likeness and image are the same thing---it's been said to you over and over and you know by now but you keep trying to sneak this concept in---it is the same as when this was said
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Reiteration---
the fact or quality of being alike; resemblance:
"her likeness to him was astonishing" ·
resemblance · similarity · similitude · correspondence
antonyms: dissimilarity
26 and~he~will~SAY(Verb) {וַיֹּאמֶר / wai'yo'mer} Elohiym {אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him} we~will~DO(Verb) {נַעֲשֶׂה / na'a'seh} HUMAN {אָדָם / a'dam} in~IMAGE~us {בְּצַלְמֵנוּ / bê'tsal'mey'nu} like~LIKENESS~us {כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ / kid'mu'tey'nu} and~he~did~RULE(Verb) {וְיִרְדּוּ / wê'yir'du} in~FISH {בִדְגַת / vid'gat} the~SEA {הַיָּם / hai'yam} and~in~FLYER {וּבְעוֹף / uv'oph} the~SKY~s2 {הַשָּׁמַיִם / ha'sha'ma'yim} and~in~the~BEAST {וּבַבְּהֵמָה / u'va'be'hey'mah} and~in~ALL {וּבְכָל / uv'khol} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets} and~in~ALL {וּבְכָל / uv'khol} the~TREADER {הָרֶמֶשׂ / ha're'mes} the~TREAD(Verb)~ing(ms) {הָרֹמֵשׂ / ha'ro'meys} UPON {עַל / al} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets}

and Elohiym said, we will make a human in our image, like our likeness, and he will rule in the fish of the sea and in the flyers of the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all the treaders treading upon the land,
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

God did not create the man out of nothing; instead he formed him out of the ground. With our new understanding of the word ברא, discussed previously, he filled him with his image, which brings us to the next word.

The word צלם (tselem), translated as "image" above, is also translated in other passages as an "idol", which is an "image" of a god. A more Hebraic understanding of the word would be a "shadow". An idol is meant to be a "shadow" of the original, a representation, just as a "shadow" is the image of the original. We can now read the above passage as:

"So God filled the man with his shadow, with the shadow of God he filled him; male and female he filled them". Genesis 1:27
MT of the Torah - Home Page

We are not God's natural children---that is why He adopts, for only the natural child can be a "real" child---the unrelated must be adopted.

If 'image' and 'likeness' really mean exactly the same thing, then why did God use 2 words that mean the same thing, in the same verse, to help explain our relationship to Him.

He wouldn't. 'Image' tells us we look like Him. 'Likeness' tells us that we are made of like kind stuff as Him.

I also figure you know there is something diferent between 'image' and 'likeness' because you never use the word 'likeness' when we have this discussion. You avoid 'likeness'. Why?
 
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If 'image' and 'likeness' really mean exactly the same thing, then why did God use 2 words that mean the same thing, in the same verse, to help explain our relationship to Him.

He wouldn't. 'Image' tells us we look like Him. 'Likeness' tells us that we are made of like kind stuff as Him.

I also figure you know there is something diferent between 'image' and 'likeness' because you never use the word 'likeness' when we have this discussion. You avoid 'likeness'. Why?

Well, it is obvious that in spite of knowing the meaning of these words---you will persist in believing a lie. Can you please post the name of a Non-Mormon dictionary that explains the meaning of these 2 words to support your theory???

I did forget to mention that the above is what the dictionary states as the meaning for the word "likeness"----you can hardly say that that is avoiding the word.

the fact or quality of being alike; resemblance:
"her likeness to him was astonishing" ·
resemblance · similarity · similitude · correspondence
antonyms: dissimilarity
 
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No, we are made to resemble God---we can reflect His character. Somehow, we are made to look somewhat like him, what that means we do not fully know yet---like I said, a doll is made in our image. They are a likeness, not the actual being.

Ok, so we resemble God, which I quess looks kind of like Him. And we can reflect his character. A reflection is the same as looking at a mirror and seeing your reflection, so if we reflect His character, to me that means our character is similar to His. So to me you are saying that we are 2/3 the way from being like him. See we are not that far apart.

A doll looks like us, that is what 'image' is trying to portray. But just because it looks like us it is not made of the same material like us. That is why God uses 'likeness' when He does because He is trying to portray that we not only look like Him (image), we are also made like Him (likeness).

So lets look at the scripture 1 more time, here it is:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Now lets put your words and thoughts to the scripture. And God said, Let us make man to look resemble us, after our resemblence. There, does that feel better? No, it is redundant. It does not work. Image and likeness are 2 different words for 2 different meanings. No redundancy, and it fits.
 
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Ok, so we resemble God, which I quess looks kind of like Him. And we can reflect his character. A reflection is the same as looking at a mirror and seeing your reflection, so if we reflect His character, to me that means our character is similar to His. So to me you are saying that we are 2/3 the way from being like him. See we are not that far apart.

A doll looks like us, that is what 'image' is trying to portray. But just because it looks like us it is not made of the same material like us. That is why God uses 'likeness' when He does because He is trying to portray that we not only look like Him (image), we are also made like Him (likeness).

So lets look at the scripture 1 more time, here it is:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Now lets put your words and thoughts to the scripture. And God said, Let us make man to look resemble us, after our resemblence. There, does that feel better? No, it is redundant. It does not work. Image and likeness are 2 different words for 2 different meanings. No redundancy, and it fits.


Again---what dictionary are you using to define the word likeness???
 
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This is an illustration of the differences, found in the Bible itself:

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand.

The clay cannot become the potter, or any potter for that matter. There are numerous other versus with this potter and clay analogy. We will never be divine like our Heavenly Potter!
Can God:
1) take a lump of clay
2) form it into a clay man
3) breath into that clay mans nostrils and turn it into a real flesh man
4) and then give that flesh man His divine nature so that the flesh man is now made of the same substance as God?

Could God do such a thing?
 
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Can God:
1) take a lump of clay
2) form it into a clay man
3) breath into that clay mans nostrils and turn it into a real flesh man
4) and then give that flesh man His divine nature so that the flesh man is now made of the same substance as God?

Could God do such a thing?


Whether He could or not is not the point---The point is---That is not what the bible says happened!!!
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen_6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen_7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Gen_7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

God's breath does not give His substance to all the animals on the planet. He gave that breath of life to all living things! Unless, of course, you believe that an elephant and a bee are made of the same substance as God.

SORRY, BIGDADDY---I butted in again!!
 
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Again---what dictionary are you using to define the word likeness???
Your definition of 'likeness' is fine. Similar, or resemblence would be synonyms.
The issue is what is the word 'likeness' is referring to??

We know what the word 'image' is referring to. It is referring to the shape of God.
It is unlikely that the word 'likeness' is also referring to the shape of God, for it would be silly redundant. So the words 'after our likeness', has to be referring to something other than God's shape. LDS believe 'likness' is referring to His substance or what He is made of. Using the 2 synonyms, God's substance is similar to ours, or God's substance resembles our substance.

Putting the whole doctrine together this verse is telling us that God's image is similar to our shape, and God's substance is similar to our flesh and bone.

Since we are made in His image, after His likeness, it makes perfect sense, unless you believe God is a formless, immaterial Being, and then you would have to work extra innings to sidestep this very piculiar, very troubling verse.
 
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Can God:
1) take a lump of clay
2) form it into a clay man
3) breath into that clay mans nostrils and turn it into a real flesh man
4) and then give that flesh man His divine nature so that the flesh man is now made of the same substance as God?

Could God do such a thing?
God did 1-3 (with dirt, not clay). God will NOT do #4. There is no other god beside Him.
 
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Your definition of 'likeness' is fine. Similar, or resemblence would be synonyms.
The issue is what is the word 'likeness' is referring to??

We know what the word 'image' is referring to. It is referring to the shape of God.
It is unlikely that the word 'likeness' is also referring to the shape of God, for it would be silly redundant. So the words 'after our likeness', has to be referring to something other than God's shape. LDS believe 'likness' is referring to His substance or what He is made of. Using the 2 synonyms, God's substance is similar to ours, or God's substance resembles our substance.

Putting the whole doctrine together this verse is telling us that God's image is similar to our shape, and God's substance is similar to our flesh and bone.

Since we are made in His image, after His likeness, it makes perfect sense, unless you believe God is a formless, immaterial Being, and then you would have to work extra innings to sidestep this very piculiar, very troubling verse.


The verse in not troubling at all!! You are making it in order to force it to say what you want it to say. Bottom line----likeness is not the same as the actual object. Reflection, image, resemblance, lookalike, You claim God could have breathed His substance into 'Adam, that obviously did not happen or every creature that draws breath would be made of His substance. Do you still maintain this is what happened or were you just grasping at straws???
Repetition and redundancy in the bible is rampant!!!

42:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and [why] art thou disquieted in me?
hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him [for] the help of his countenance.

42:11 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God:
for I shall yet praise him, [who is] the health of my countenance, and my God.

43:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God:
for I shall yet praise him, [who is] the health of my countenance, and my God.
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God.
They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand,
[and] seek God.
They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people [as] they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
There were they in great fear: for God [is] in the generation of the righteous.
Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD [is] his refuge.
Oh that the salvation of Israel [were come] out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people,
Jacob shall rejoice, [and] Israel shall be glad.
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God.
Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.
God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand,
that did seek God.
Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.
Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people [as] they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
There were they in great fear, [where] no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth [against] thee: thou hast put [them] to shame, because God hath despised them.
Oh that the salvation of Israel [were come] out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people,
Jacob shall rejoice, [and] Israel shall be glad.
Here are a few lengthy passages (including entire chapters): II Kings 18:13-20:11 & Isaiah 36:1-22:8,
and II Kings 24:18-25:30 & Jeremiah 52.
II Chronicles 36:22-23 above & Ezra 1:1-3
Psalm 40:13-17 & Psalm 70
Psalms 57:7-11 + 60:5-12 & Psalm 108

1Ch 16:34 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 106:1 Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 107: 1 O give thanks unto the LORD, for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 118: 1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: because his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 118:29 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
Psa 136: 1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth]

There is more---much, much more
Repetition & Redundancy in the Scriptures


1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, ...
1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
1:17 ... I am the first and the last:
2:8 ... saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. ...
21:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. ________________________
1:4 ... from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; ...
1:8 ... which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
4:8 ... Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
 
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