What is God's judgment...? Is it different for the believer and the non-believer...?

Neogaia777 said:

The problem with trying to impose any commandments or requirements on anybody, from anyone, including God himself, is/are many...

Were individuals for one thing, and each has to be considered on an individual by individual basis, cause each case, judicially is each very unique and specific, and there cannot be one rule or one law for all, across the board and it be just... And since God is not unjust... Well...?

Each person is a unique person, with very unique and different histories, personalities, situations, circumstances, (factor's) you name it, and none are exactly alike...

We also all each operate on different timetables than another, and some take longer to mature than others, and others, not as long (which can be tied or linked to each individual's individual cases or circumstances...

What requirements other than faith or believing, in Christ, and maybe Love, whatever is required of someone by God other than that, (and there may be some (more)) (but it will be just you, and just for you, and custom tailored to and for you, not necessarily the same for someone else)... Anyhow, whatever (more) is required by someone other than those, would be between that person and God alone, and, I do not see how any mere man thinks he can judge such things...

There are just to many factor's that would need to be considered and known, and I am of the opinion that only God can do that or know that, and judge, perfectly...

God Bless!

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Agree God IS the judge.

However we CAN KNOW the basis of His Judgement.

His basis is in a word; His "Word".

His basis is concluded; on three things;

1) Does a man BELIEVE on His WORD.
2) Does God have AN ACCOUNTING of the mans BELIEF on His WORD.
3) Judgement of God, commences FROM Gods BOOK, which is His ACCOUNTING. (record).

We have revealed to us, Gods "Word", has a name. ie Jesus.
OT man, had Jesus' name, Kept Secret from them.

We have revealed to us, Gods "Word", named Jesus, is the Christ, God with us.
OT man, had Jesus' name, the Christ's name, Kept Secret from them.

We have revealed to us, Gods "Word, Jesus, Christ, God" revealed in the "LIKENESS" as a man.
OT man, had revealed to them, a "LIKENESS" as a man -
Yet it was KEPT SECRET from OT man; the name of "this man", revealed to them.

Judge 13
[18] And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Point being -
OT man, NT man, NOW man - WHO, believes on the "WORD" of God, by default is believing IN GOD.
(whether or not the MAN, knows "His Name".)

And a man, from any era, who Believes on the "WORD" of God, up to the point of the mans physical death, IS a man Saved, forever alive, (unto God) by Gods Grace.

And that ACCOUNTING, is revealed, in Gods "record", ie Gods "Book of Life", from which Gods Judgement, shall be made.

(When Judgement Day, arrives, and the Book is opened, ALL names of men that appear, Are Gods to claim as His to KEEP.

and ALL names of men (who did not endure, ie did not believe until the end of their natural life; their names shall not appear, nor shall they be Judged, as claimed or kept by God)

So, I agree; Gods records are perfect, and His judgement are perfect and JUST.

Scripture tells us ASK, and you SHALL receive.
Scripture tells us God knows our thoughts in our hearts.
Scripture tells us Our hearts tell God our true beliefs and wants.

A man who WANTS to be WITH the LORD forever, BELIEVES in God, and so it shall be,
the man will get what he wanted; to be forever WITH the LORD.
A man who WANTS to be WITHOUT the LORD forever, DOES NOT BELIEVE in GOD, and so it shall be,
the man will get what he wanted; to be forever separated from the LORD, and WITHOUT Him.

God is JUST!

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Agree God IS the judge.

However we CAN KNOW the basis of His Judgement.

His basis is in a word; His "Word".

His basis is concluded; on three things;

1) Does a man BELIEVE on His WORD.
2) Does God have AN ACCOUNTING of the mans BELIEF on His WORD.
3) Judgement of God, commences FROM Gods BOOK, which is His ACCOUNTING. (record).

We have revealed to us, Gods "Word", has a name. ie Jesus.
OT man, had Jesus' name, Kept Secret from them.

We have revealed to us, Gods "Word", named Jesus, is the Christ, God with us.
OT man, had Jesus' name, the Christ's name, Kept Secret from them.

We have revealed to us, Gods "Word, Jesus, Christ, God" revealed in the "LIKENESS" as a man.
OT man, had revealed to them, a "LIKENESS" as a man -
Yet it was KEPT SECRET from OT man; the name of "this man", revealed to them.

Judge 13
[18] And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Point being -
OT man, NT man, NOW man - WHO, believes on the "WORD" of God, by default is believing IN GOD.
(whether or not the MAN, knows "His Name".)

And a man, from any era, who Believes on the "WORD" of God, up to the point of the mans physical death, IS a man Saved, forever alive, (unto God) by Gods Grace.

And that ACCOUNTING, is revealed, in Gods "record", ie Gods "Book of Life", from which Gods Judgement, shall be made.

(When Judgement Day, arrives, and the Book is opened, ALL names of men that appear, Are Gods to claim as His to KEEP.

and ALL names of men (who did not endure, ie did not believe until the end of their natural life; their names shall not appear, nor shall they be Judged, as claimed or kept by God)

So, I agree; Gods records are perfect, and His judgement are perfect and JUST.

Scripture tells us ASK, and you SHALL receive.
Scripture tells us God knows our thoughts in our hearts.
Scripture tells us Our hearts tell God our true beliefs and wants.

A man who WANTS to be WITH the LORD forever, BELIEVES in God, and so it shall be,
the man will get what he wanted; to be forever WITH the LORD.
A man who WANTS to be WITHOUT the LORD forever, DOES NOT BELIEVE in GOD, and so it shall be,
the man will get what he wanted; to be forever separated from the LORD, and WITHOUT Him.
God is JUST!
God Bless,
SBC

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The most important is that the KINGDOMS of THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever, as was promised by the Most High and Almighty God, and expressed in the Word of God since ancient time. Remembering that the KINGDOM of GOD must be established now in this beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day of God's week. But the KINGDOM of GOD comes not with observation, neither may we say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within us. Our Lord JESUS, KING of the kings and LORD of the lords, is already sat in His Tribunal, at the Judgment Seat of Christ, for to Judge all nations qhich are alareadu Judged, Condemned and will be punished strongly day after day in the days ahead.

The governments of the nations will not be able to rule their nations from now ahead because they will all be annihilated by heavy punishments. The kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, they all will want to hide themselves from Him that sits on the throne of Judgment, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great Day of His wrath has arrived and who shall be able to stand it?

The rulers of this world will walk like blinds, without knowing what to do, suffering great punishments that will come upon all, beginning with the idolatrous Brazilian nation, whose Country named Brazil is already suffering severe punishments and its rulers are being dismantled to never more becomes to be a power in the hands of the Devil. The same will happen to all the other nations of the earth, DAY after DAY, in the days ahead. And the man doomed to perdition, the man of sin, the Jewish son of perdition, will manifest himself before the world saying he is the messiah, but he is a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, AN USURPER, and will deceive multitudes, inclusive the believers without discernment which are sleeping a profound sleep.

Hear who has ears to hear.

As I have said many times in divers topics of this site, the kingdoms of this world are became the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ, In the face of this great and wonderful hapenning, to what will serve the denominations in the whole world? All of them will pass through the fire, even now, in this first century of the seventh and last millennium, the Milleniium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, and the Millennium of Judgment, and Millennium of Vengeance, the seventh and last Day of the week of God, that is the Day of the Lord.
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, every man's work must be made manifest now in this last Day. For this Day must declare it, because it must be revealed by fire; and the fire must try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he must receive a reward. If any man's work be burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself may be saved; yet so as by fire.He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches.

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever, beginning in this first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day of God's week. My Lord JESUS, KING of the kings and LORD of the lords, is already sat in His Tribunal, at the Judgment Seat of Christ, for to Judge all nations.

The governments of the nations will not be able to rule their nations from now ahead because they will all be annihilated by heavy punishments. The kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, they all will want to hide themselves from Him that sits on the throne of Judgment, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great Day of His wrath has arrived and who shall be able to stand it?

The rulers of this world will walk like the blinds, without knowing what to do, suffering great punishments that will come upon all, beginning with the idolatrous Brazilian nation, whose Country named Brazil is already suffering severe punishments and its rulers are being dismantled to never more be a power in the hands of the Devil. The same will happen to all the other nations of the earth, DAY after DAY, in the days ahead. And the man doomed to perdition, the man of sin, son of perdition, will manifest himself before the world saying he is the messiah, but he is a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, and will deceive multitudes, inclusive the believers without discernment which are sleeping a profound sleep.

Hear who has ears to hear.

Neogaia777 said:

1) Some are more predisposed to be a believer than others, which has to be taken into account when judging also...

2) Again, where God expects such from an individual, which only he can know, and not man with other men or people...

3) The judgement of God is perfect, but, again, there are no "across the board" rules for everyone or anyone... What God expects from an individual, or each individual, as an individual, is in his hands alone, and the individual themselves and God, and no one else... no mere imperfect, flawed human man, should think he can judge such things... Especially in another that is not them, or another or others...

No ones progress or judging where one is "at" should be going on, and then, on top of that, then judging like you can tell them, what is wrong or right for them, or good or bad with them, and then telling them where they should or need to be at (right now) with that, should not be going on either...

God Bless!

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Believe you or not, the Great Day of the Lord has arrived. Yes, with absolute certain the Great Day of the Lord has arrived, and it hastes greatly, even the voice of the Day of the Lord. It's midnight on God's watch, you need to wake up to perceive it. By the way, it is common for people to be sleeping at midnight.

The Apostle John recommended saying: Abide in him; that, when he appears, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. If you know that He is righteous, you know that every one that does righteousness is born of Him.

Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye will see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Rev. 22:11-&15
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
15 For without are dogs (dogs? who are them? If you want to know who are them Isaiah 56:10-12 reveals who them are), and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.

Isaiah 56:10-12
10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

Neogaia777 said:

1) Some are more predisposed to be a believer than others, which has to be taken into account when judging also...

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Agree - Some born naturally and alive naturally, WILL NOT EVER Believe, in that condition (ie their natural living body). And Some born naturally and alive naturally, WILL "choose" to Believe.

God already KNOWS, which is which. It is man himself, who does not KNOW, what he will choose to Believe, until "he" makes the choice.

God has ALREADY prepared, a place, and a judgement, and a sentence, for each.
Those who choose to believe, and those who choose not to believe.

2) Again, where God expects such from an individual, which only he can know, and not man with other men or people...

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God does not wait for expectation. God already KNOWS the outcome. It is man who is always WAITING to visibly SEE the outcome. It is man who IS IN TRUST of God, what the outcome WITHOUT seeing, WILL BE.

3) The judgement of God is perfect, but, again, there are no "across the board" rules for everyone or anyone... What God expects from an individual, or each individual, as an individual, is in his hands alone, and the individual themselves and God, and no one else... no mere imperfect, flawed human man, should think he can judge such things... Especially in another that is not them, or another or others...

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Gods judgement is perfect. It is THIS or THAT. Which is to say, the bottom line IS;
Standing WITH God or Standing Against God. Period, across the board.

The MYSTERY IS - every man, has made his "election" to stand with or against God....
BEFORE the man IS BORN. A man who becomes born....DOES NOT remember or know His election.
But God does. God Knows us BEFORE we are born. A man, can not remember being in the womb, his own natural birth, his infancy, often being a toddler, often many things in his childhood. But that doesn't matter, it still is in regard to his life, whether or not he remembers.

What makes a man PREDESTINE, IS, his choice made, before he was born, will be his SAME choice AFTER he is born. They are the same, who are chosen.

No ones progress or judging where one is "at" should be going on, and then, on top of that, then judging like you can tell them, what is wrong or right for them, or good or bad with them, and then telling them where they should or need to be at (right now) with that, should not be going on either...

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True. Only the individual lives his own life, knowing what he knows at any given time. Believing what he believes at any given time. Other men simply "observe", at any given point. They could see a crook, cheater, liar one day, and the next day, the man could relent, and give his life to God. The relenting man does not have to inform the world of what he has chosen to do. God knows and so does the man. But others, often do not know, and LIKE to judge, on what they have known. God IS forgiving....men - eh, not so much.

God requires a man to believe in Him - according to HIS Standards - not the WORLDS Standards - not mankind's Standards. Gods Standards are given us; Belief as much as one can see in the size of a mustard seed. God is the one who GROWS that itty bitty belief, into FAITH, that is acceptable to Him.

Men like to decide what "should be acceptable" to God. And like to "hell-fire" a person who does not meet the "mans" standards. Completely irrelevant. God knows the BIG PICTURE, from before a man is born.

Ecc 1
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Jer 1
[5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;

God Bless,
SBC

Neogaia777 said:

The judgement of God is perfect, but, again, there are no "across the board" rules for everyone or anyone... What God expects from an individual, or each individual, as an individual, is in his hands alone, and the individual themselves and God, and no one else...

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He is very clear in His Word what is required.

And also that excuses are not accepted.

He delivered His Word to Moses , and then to others, and to the Apostles, and revealed His Plan of Salvation clearly to them.

He appointed specifically and clearly what judgment is to be accomplished by ekklesia - by men called by Him, born again by His Will, and set apart by Him as He Says.

He also clearly showed what judgment is not to be done by men.

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The most important is that the KINGDOMS of THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever, as was promised by the Most High and Almighty God, and expressed in the Word of God since ancient time. Remembering that the KINGDOM of GOD must be established now in this beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day of God's week.

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Remembering that - it IS BEING ESTABLISHED DAILY.....

Luke 12 [51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Jesus came to ESTABLISH a division of the PEOPLE of WHO would be OF the Kingdom of God, and WHO would NOT.

The Earth shall not become at peace, until God restores the Earth.

However Jesus came to DIVIDE the PEOPLE, and from that day forward.....

Luke 12
[52] For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
[53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

John 7
[43] So there was a division among the people because of him.

The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)

and WHO does this:
Does NOT Believe in Him. (ie Stands AGAINST Him)

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Remembering that - it IS BEING ESTABLISHED DAILY.....

Luke 12 [51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Jesus came to ESTABLISH a division of the PEOPLE of WHO would be OF the Kingdom of God, and WHO would NOT.

The Earth shall not become at peace, until God restores the Earth.

However Jesus came to DIVIDE the PEOPLE, and from that day forward.....

Luke 12
[52] For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
[53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

John 7
[43] So there was a division among the people because of him.
The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)
and WHO does this:
Does NOT Believe in Him. (ie Stands AGAINST Him)

God Bless,
SBC

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SBC wrote: >>>Remembering that - it IS BEING ESTABLISHED DAILY..... <<<

Since the first coming of JESUS two thousand years ago the KINGDOM of God has been preached in the world of Devil, but the KINGDOM was not and is not established yet in the Earth. Satan must be cast into the bottomless pit before, for a thousand years, that he should deceive the nations no more, then the KINGDOM of God will be established till the thousand years should be fulfilled. Remember: 1Cor.15:24-26 reveals that the end will come, when he delivers up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he puts down all rule and all authority and power, for he must reign, till he puts all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Remember: Peter, Apostle of the Lord JESUS Christ, warned the believers saying: But the end of all things IS AT HAND: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. But I tell unto you and unto all, THE END OF ALL THINGS ARRIVED.

Romans 8:18-19
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the GLORY which will be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the MANIFESTATION of the sons of God.

I want to see the MANIFESTATION of all the sons of God in whole Earth, with the GLORY which must be revealed now in them all. And you?



SBC wrote: >>>Luke 12 [51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Jesus came to ESTABLISH a division of the PEOPLE of WHO would be OF the Kingdom of God, and WHO would NOT. The Earth shall not become at peace, until God restores the Earth. However Jesus came to DIVIDE the PEOPLE, and from that day forward.....<<<
Yes, there will be division. Remember: JESUS left revealed: In the time of HARVEST (well, this time of HARVEST has arrived) I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (John 4:36-37) JESUS said: He that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto LIFE ETERNAL: that both He that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth (JESUS), and another reapeth. (The Spirit of Truth). And JESUS said more: (Mat.13:39) the HARVEST is THE END OF THE WORLD. So, the END of the WORLD has nothing to do with nuclear war or nuclear weapons.

SBC wrote: >>>Luke 12:[52] For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. [53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.<<<

It is written:
Mat.25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

SBC wrote: >>>John 7 [43] So there was a division among the people because of him. The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)
The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)"<<<

1- "The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)"
Yes. It is written:
Mat.25:34-40
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


2- "and WHO does this:
"Does NOT Believe in Him. (ie Stands AGAINST Him"

Yes. It is written:
Mat.25:41-46
41 Then shall he (JESUS)say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

May our God bless and keep us and give us His protection in this time of end, this is my pray.

Oseas said:

SBC wrote: >>>Remembering that - it IS BEING ESTABLISHED DAILY..... <<<

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ince the first coming of JESUS two thousand years ago the KINGDOM of God has been preached in the world of Devil, but the KINGDOM was not and is not established yet in the Earth. Satan must be cast into the bottomless pit before, for a thousand years, that he should deceive the nations no more, then the KINGDOM of God will be established till the thousand years should be fulfilled. Remember: 1Cor.15:24-26 reveals that the end will come, when he delivers up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he puts down all rule and all authority and power, for he must reign, till he puts all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

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Remember: Peter, Apostle of the Lord JESUS Christ, warned the believers saying: But the end of all things IS AT HAND: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. But I tell unto you and unto all, THE END OF ALL THINGS ARRIVED.

Romans 8:18-19
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the GLORY which will be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the MANIFESTATION of the sons of God.

I want to see the MANIFESTATION of all the sons of God in whole Earth, with the GLORY which must be revealed now in them all. And you?



SBC wrote: >>>Luke 12 [51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Jesus came to ESTABLISH a division of the PEOPLE of WHO would be OF the Kingdom of God, and WHO would NOT. The Earth shall not become at peace, until God restores the Earth. However Jesus came to DIVIDE the PEOPLE, and from that day forward.....<<<
Yes, there will be division. Remember: JESUS left revealed: In the time of HARVEST (well, this time of HARVEST has arrived) I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (John 4:36-37) JESUS said: He that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto LIFE ETERNAL: that both He that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth (JESUS), and another reapeth. (The Spirit of Truth). And JESUS said more: (Mat.13:39) the HARVEST is THE END OF THE WORLD. So, the END of the WORLD has nothing to do with nuclear war or nuclear weapons.

SBC wrote: >>>Luke 12:[52] For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. [53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.<<<

It is written:
Mat.25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

SBC wrote: >>>John 7 [43] So there was a division among the people because of him. The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)
The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)"<<<

1- "The DIVISION is being established between WHO does this:
Believes IN Him. (ie Stands WITH Him)"
Yes. It is written:
Mat.25:34-40
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


2- "and WHO does this:
"Does NOT Believe in Him. (ie Stands AGAINST Him"

Yes. It is written:
Mat.25:41-46
41 Then shall he (JESUS)say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

May our God bless and keep us and give us His protection in this time of end, this is my pray.

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Mark 4
[11] And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Inanutshell - the Kingdom of God is complete Authority and Governance over ALL of His Creations that He has made and created, that became corrupt, and He IS or SHALL restore, apart and separated from those He SHALL NOT restore.

Which is to say - the Kingdom of God, IS where and what God is KING OVER ~
Which IS Heaven, IS the Universe, IS the Earths Surface, and IS every man's heart, who has or will become converted.

God Bless,
SBC

When this conversation came up on my alerts, it reminded me of a passage that I don't think people involved in the conversation have thought of:

"That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating. 48 But the one who did not know and did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded." (Luke 12:47-48)

There's a tendency to think of being a Christian as protecting us from judgement. In some ways it may make it harder.

hedrick said:

When this conversation came up on my alerts, it reminded me of a passage that I don't think people involved in the conversation have thought of:

"That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating. 48 But the one who did not know and did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded." (Luke 12:47-48)

There's a tendency to think of being a Christian as protecting us from judgement. In some ways it may make it harder.

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I do believe we are held accountable for what we are given; ie Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding, power, gifts, positions, wealth, etc.

God Bless,
SBC

Neogaia777 said:

They are judged by their works alone, "all" of them, good and bad, by which no flesh shall be justified... And, they don't have their sins or errors or badness forgiven and wiped out, like believers do... Or a second chance, or third or fourth, they don't get that unless they believe in Christ and the Gospel...

They are judged by law, and by law shall no flesh be saved, without Christ and the gospel of grace, I fear for them...

The only exception might be that those who "had good reason" in God's eyes not to believe, they maybe can still be saved, but only God can know, judge, and tell that or not...

God Bless!

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Good reason? no.

Romans 1
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

God Bless,
SBC

Neogaia777 said:

What is God's judgment...?

Is it different for the believer and the non-believer who has continued to and does reject Christ for no good reason...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

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Gods Judgement for a believer, is reward for any works he did to Glorify God. ie crowns

Gods Judgement for an unforgiven believer, is :
living soul in hell in agony, from their physical death + 1,000 years, separated from God.
no forgiveness, no saved soul, no quickened spirit, life departed his body, life departed his soul, body and soul put into the lake of fire, total separation from God forever, and remembered no more.

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Mark 4
[11] And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Inanutshell - the Kingdom of God is complete Authority and Governance over ALL of His Creations that He has made and created, that became corrupt, and He IS or SHALL restore, apart and separated from those He SHALL NOT restore.

Which is to say - the Kingdom of God, IS where and what God is KING OVER ~
Which IS Heaven, IS the Universe, IS the Earths Surface, and IS every man's heart, who has or will become converted.
God Bless,
SBC

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SBC wrote:>>>Mark 4
[11] And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.<<<
Matt.10:5-7&14-15&17&22-23
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of Judgment, than for that city.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

JESUS said to the Jews, scribes and Pharisees: Mat.23:27-36
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. (From the blood of righteous Abel, is not this a great mystery. Why is it from the blood of Abel?)
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matt.21:42-45
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL BE TAKEN FROM YOU, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

SBC wrote: >>>Inanutshell - the Kingdom of God is complete Authority and Governance over ALL of His Creations that He has made and created, that became corrupt, and He IS or SHALL restore, apart and separated from those He SHALL NOT restore.<<<

Yes, and the time of RESTORATION of all things has already arrived, as the author of Acts of the Apostles did write in the beginning of the Church: Acts 3:18-26
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul (among the Jews and the Gentiles) which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

SBC said:

Mark 4
Which is to say - the Kingdom of God, IS where and what God is KING OVER ~
Which IS Heaven, IS the Universe, IS the Earths Surface, and IS every man's heart, who has or will become converted.
God Bless,
SBC

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Isaiah 40:21-31
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the HEAVENS as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: (HEAVENS are not the physical space of the Universe, but Dispensations or Celestial places in Christ (Eph. 1:v.3& 2:v.6-7)as the OT and NTs, the 1st and 2nd heavens. The 3rd HEAVEN, the KINGDOM of GOD, is at hand)
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the Lord, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Revelation 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS CHRIST, and He shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders (twenty four elders are the twenty four authors of the books of the Bible), which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Mat.11:12-13
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Daniel 12:1-4
And at that time (at the END of the time) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (JESUS spoke also of this time: (Mat.24:21-22) 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.)
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (see Gen.1:14-19)
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, EVEN TO THE TIME OF THE END: (the book is not sealed no more, because the seals were opened and the secrets are aready revealed) many shall run to and fro, and knowledge (Knowledge of the Word of God) shall be increased.

Rev. 19:1-10
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great harlot, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me(Who is he? The Archangel Michael?), See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.

Neogaia777 said:

I feel like I would be without excuse, just don't know how I think about others is all... They're blind... Blind as bats with no sonar either... It's almost like they're eyes cannot be opened sometimes...

God Bless!

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Sure you know. Just as I know. Just as God knows.
We are to love everyone, and I do not have an issue with doing that.
However there are people I do not like, that I hate, that frustrate me, that I do not tolerate.
Oops ~ sounds contradictory eh?
Actually it is not. I know, society in its political correctness, says oooooooh, hate is bad and
intolerance is bad. And a Christian really gets the brunt of using such terminology.
And some will try to explain, I love them, but but but, it's their behavior I don't like.
The little saying, someone has come up with; Love the sinner, but hate the sin.
Well, that doesn't work for me, I'm not political, nor do I have to defend my belief.
There are people, and things I hate ~ but then I know that means ~ being: a strong dislike.
It does not mean the opposite of love, or cancel out love ~ that term would be loathe.
And there are many things society says to tolerate ~ eh, I don't.
If I did, I would be of this world, and I'm not, and I make no excuses for it.

No excuse in Scripture has to do with Rejecting God.
He provided a beautiful earth, complete with everything a man needs to sustain his own natural life.
(which BTW), a mans life is (his blood). And yet, there are world governments, with people in positions
of power, ruling those governments, living in luxury, while millions under their governance are starving.
While I do believe an individuals responsibility is to provide for their own; on the flip side, repeatedly is the governance corrupting the opportunity, for one to provide for their own. It's a conundrum. The people, generationally become lost of how to provide for themselves; always being someones burden;
or die off, for lack of provisions. And to be sure, there are higher powers, above national leaders. Not speaking of God, but rather a few, very few, who have accumulated such an amount of wealth, they dictate from behind the scenes, how to thin the herd, ie people; by controlling the wealth, by creating wars, creating and unleashing health hazards, and on and on. THEY, shall be at the forefront of punishment, down to corrupt world leaders, government appointees, crooked businesses, parents, people at large; who forego doing what is righteous.

God says, be not of this world. Be not of those who reject Him. Be not of those whose intent is to oppress and keep another from having, using, Gods provisions to provide for themselves. Because THEY have no excuse, to not believe, or for their intents or successful oppression's.

Your job is:
To believe, to submit, to listen to your heart above your mind, to speak Gods word in truth, to love all people, continue in Gods word and lean on Him in times of trouble.

God will put the blind in the path of a Godly man, if and when the blind are ready to see and hear.

God Bless,
SBC

Oseas said:

Isaiah 40:21-31
hath it not been told you from the beginning?

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Yep, agree, and already understand, what was, what is, and what is to come.

Some wonder what was, what is, and wait to SEE what is to come, yet the knowledge and understanding thereof is already revealed.

It is the Son of man, that shall descend to the clouds from thee Heavenly Kingdom, and redeem up to Him, His people, and glorify their body's.

It is His people who shall reign with Him, for 1,000 years, in His earthly Kingdom, over earthly men, who shall being repopulating the earth.

His has yet to be SEEN, however, the knowledge has already been revealed, a NEW Jerusalem, whereby He shall sit, on His long ago, everlasting established, Kingdom and Throne, on earth.

Isa 66 [1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne

2 Sam 7 [16] (to David)
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

God Bless,
SBC