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I began a post in an addiction forum here, and I am opening this thread here, b/c regardless of what causes the trust issues - I need perspective and hope (and lots of prayers) that my trust issues with my husband will cease, and I will be able to 100% trust him again, SOON.
I believe he has a problem with prescription pain meds (not prescribed TO him FYI)
Facts:
He has admitted to taking money out of our account (secretly unnoticed AND by making excuses for non-existent purchases)
we have been together for 9 years
married for 1
this is my 2nd marriage -- his 3rd
we both know and love Christ
we both have acknowledged mistakes made in the past marriages - and that it is important that NOTHING come between us - that what WE have is sacred
when I found out about the pills and confronted him - my world literally turned upside down
he has said im acting as if he has cheated
well they way I see it, he promised to not lie to me
then I try to remember it is the drugs 'talking' - or in this case 'lying'
so as we move forward and begin the steps to deal with his addiction (I am on board for step 1 which is just give it to God b/c I really do not know what else to do) He is not on board any platform - his stance is for now "its not a big deal, its like taking a strong Tylenol, I am smarter than to O.D , YOU (me) are making a big deal out of it, its not a big deal

so the last conversation we had - I said plainly: no matter what it is - I have an issue, I have a weakness that I can not trust you - it is YOUR job to do EVERYTHING in your power to help me past that. I am asking you for help and support so that I can trust you again. (I took this avenue since at this time, hes not asking ME for any help on the pill issue)

the problem is
he is still getting money out of the bank and making excuses
there is a pattern - I check his data/text logs on our carriers website and I know he is txting and calling the guy he gets pills from... 2+2 = 4 all day long right?
so I have 'betrayed' him once after admitting I read his social media private messages (about pills) ... only after addressing the matter head on - he could not deny it
some how that got turned on me to 'invading his privacy'.... my response: ill do whatever I have to do to find out what is wrong with you and WHY you are lying to me:
ok - sorry for the book
ill stop there
I cant trust him
I want to trust him
I read his text/call log daily and continue to see the pattern of pills (even though I can READ the actual messages or HEAR the actual phone calls) the contacts and the $ coming out of the bank is on point with the pattern he has admitted to.
if I ask him he gets mad (which is TOTALLY UNLIKE HIM)
and he gets defensive
so I just look (with a tad bit of assumption mixed in) and I KNOW what he is doing, therefore I don't have to ask
I KNOW that this mis-trust will grow to where I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth
it is not there now
I don't want it to go there
I appreciate your marital advice on ANYTHING to do with trust
 
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I began a post in an addiction forum here, and I am opening this thread here, b/c regardless of what causes the trust issues - I need perspective and hope (and lots of prayers) that my trust issues with my husband will cease, and I will be able to 100% trust him again, SOON.
I believe he has a problem with prescription pain meds (not prescribed TO him FYI)
Facts:
He has admitted to taking money out of our account (secretly unnoticed AND by making excuses for non-existent purchases)
we have been together for 9 years
married for 1
this is my 2nd marriage -- his 3rd
we both know and love Christ
we both have acknowledged mistakes made in the past marriages - and that it is important that NOTHING come between us - that what WE have is sacred
when I found out about the pills and confronted him - my world literally turned upside down
he has said im acting as if he has cheated
well they way I see it, he promised to not lie to me
then I try to remember it is the drugs 'talking' - or in this case 'lying'
so as we move forward and begin the steps to deal with his addiction (I am on board for step 1 which is just give it to God b/c I really do not know what else to do) He is not on board any platform - his stance is for now "its not a big deal, its like taking a strong Tylenol, I am smarter than to O.D , YOU (me) are making a big deal out of it, its not a big deal

so the last conversation we had - I said plainly: no matter what it is - I have an issue, I have a weakness that I can not trust you - it is YOUR job to do EVERYTHING in your power to help me past that. I am asking you for help and support so that I can trust you again. (I took this avenue since at this time, hes not asking ME for any help on the pill issue)

the problem is
he is still getting money out of the bank and making excuses
there is a pattern - I check his data/text logs on our carriers website and I know he is txting and calling the guy he gets pills from... 2+2 = 4 all day long right?
so I have 'betrayed' him once after admitting I read his social media private messages (about pills) ... only after addressing the matter head on - he could not deny it
some how that got turned on me to 'invading his privacy'.... my response: ill do whatever I have to do to find out what is wrong with you and WHY you are lying to me:
ok - sorry for the book
ill stop there
I cant trust him
I want to trust him
I read his text/call log daily and continue to see the pattern of pills (even though I can READ the actual messages or HEAR the actual phone calls) the contacts and the $ coming out of the bank is on point with the pattern he has admitted to.
if I ask him he gets mad (which is TOTALLY UNLIKE HIM)
and he gets defensive
so I just look (with a tad bit of assumption mixed in) and I KNOW what he is doing, therefore I don't have to ask
I KNOW that this mis-trust will grow to where I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth
it is not there now
I don't want it to go there
I appreciate your marital advice on ANYTHING to do with trust

Haven't been in this situation, and you may find more in other answers sooner or later, but to say what I can answer I have to risk telling you some things you may already know to get to the full thing. A key thing I've learned (and I understand you already have at least part of it) in recent years is that marriages do better when we are relying on God and Christ first, and not on ourselves or our spouses primarily. That Christ is the center of the relationship in a sense. We are following Him, trusting Him, and not relying too much on our spouse as a source of what we most need, but only as a partial source of only some limited things we need, and not at all the main source of what we need the most, in our hearts, which comes from God instead. With this faith, we can then pray with faith for our spouse, as needed, and especially for our own heart at times. That our own hearts be healed in specific ways we individually need. I think you can and should pray very specifically for him and the problem he has, and also you can specifically ask other believers to pray with you. To have prayers answered, Christ told us to believe. That's a profound trust itself. One of the best ways to pray well is to read and do as Christ said in Matthew chapter 6, the prayer He gave us to pray daily. We can believe in this prayer because it is directly from Him. It's powerful. Pray it with full belief it will be given to you, and believing in every word. You are aiming to talk directly to God Himself. Also, we can greatly improve our lives by doing the greatest commandment, and we must over time do it also, because it's part of following Christ.
 
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Haven't been in this situation, and you may find more in other answers sooner or later, but to say what I can answer I have to risk telling you some things you may already know to get to the full thing. A key thing I've learned (and I understand you already have at least part of it) in recent years is that marriages do better when we are relying on God and Christ first, and not on ourselves or our spouses primarily. That Christ is the center of the relationship in a sense. We are following Him, trusting Him, and not relying too much on our spouse as a source of what we most need, but only as a partial source of only some limited things we need, and not at all the main source of what we need the most, in our hearts, which comes from God instead. With this faith, we can then pray with faith for our spouse, as needed, and especially for our own heart at times. That our own hearts be healed in specific ways we individually need. I think you can and should pray very specifically for him and the problem he has, and also you can specifically ask other believers to pray with you. To have prayers answered, Christ told us to believe. That's a profound trust itself. One of the best ways to pray well is to read and do as Christ said in Matthew chapter 6, the prayer He gave us to pray daily. We can believe in this prayer because it is directly from Him. It's powerful. Pray it with full belief it will be given to you, and believing in every word. You are aiming to talk directly to God Himself. Also, we can greatly improve our lives by doing the greatest commandment, and we must over time do it also, because it's part of following Christ.
 
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thank you for your kind words of encouragement. You are right - and I face everyday with the determination to put Christ first - I do feel like I am not trusting in God when I am looking behind DH back to see if I can tell what he has been up to
thanks - please pray for my DH & our marriage.
 
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Taking active steps to eliminate the addiction is very important to the success of your marriage.

This link deals with an alcohal addiction, but much of it is applicable to other kinds of addictions, especially this sentence:

"...while in the state of addiction, there is no way for them to consider their spouse's feelings whenever they make decisions, a necessary condition for a great marriage. [The addictive substance] always comes first, even when it is at the spouse's expense."

Alcoholic Spouse #1

And this one, which contains this very important sentence:

"A good test of whether or not you are an [addict] is to ask yourself, am I willing to stop drinking entirely if it would make my spouse feel more comfortable? If total abstinence from [your substance] would be very difficult if not impossible for you, even if it made your wife more comfortable, you're an [addict]. [Your substance], in that case, would be more important to you than your wife's feelings."

Alcoholic Spouse #2

I would consider insisting he enter an addiction treatment program to prevent further damage to your marriage and finances.

Not having a plan is a plan to fail. I strongly recommend you consult with an addictions expert to come up with a plan on what you will require to stay in the marriage.

Now, I'm not saying to just quickly divorce, but you can take escalating steps short of that which may include possibly a separation if the addiction is harming your marriage. The separation would be to preserve your love for him and save your marriage because it would prevent his addiction from eroding your love for him every day.
 
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Taking active steps to eliminate the addiction is very important to the success of your marriage.

This link deals with an alcohal addiction, but much of it is applicable to other kinds of addictions, especially this sentence:

"...while in the state of addiction, there is no way for them to consider their spouse's feelings whenever they make decisions, a necessary condition for a great marriage. [The addictive substance] always comes first, even when it is at the spouse's expense."

Alcoholic Spouse #1

And this one, which contains this very important sentence:

"A good test of whether or not you are an [addict] is to ask yourself, am I willing to stop drinking entirely if it would make my spouse feel more comfortable? If total abstinence from [your substance] would be very difficult if not impossible for you, even if it made your wife more comfortable, you're an [addict]. [Your substance], in that case, would be more important to you than your wife's feelings."

Alcoholic Spouse #2

I would consider insisting he enter an addiction treatment program to prevent further damage to your marriage and finances.

Not having a plan is a plan to fail. I strongly recommend you consult with an addictions expert to come up with a plan on what you will require to stay in the marriage.

Now, I'm not saying to just quickly divorce, but you can take escalating steps short of that which may include possibly a separation if the addiction is harming your marriage. The separation would be to preserve your love for him and save your marriage because it would prevent his addiction from eroding your love for him every day.
Well today is a new day
my victory has already been won
My husbands victory has already been won
Amen?
Amen.
I have asked him several times over the last few weeks to please be honest with me. That it is detrimental that honesty and truth prevail, b/c lies will destroy a marriage.
So
Last night, he comes in takes off his work boots, says he is hungry
I am cooking dinner
then his phone rings - he goes out side to talk
comes back in and says I am leaving I will be back, I am going to go get some pills, you told me not to lie to you so I am telling you.
I was speechless
absolutely utterly
speechless
The only words I could find --- thank you for being honest with me.
we did not argue when he got home
I refuse, refuse to argue
it does no good
we had dinner - he tried to explain, reason with me (without my prompt) that he bought 2 pills, sold 1 and it paid for his
as if that is ok?
I asked him if he got the pills from man A or man B (A & B = 2 people I know of already that he has gotten pills from in the past)
he said no
**I already knew that b/c the mysterious phone call did not come from A or B :(

I asked him this:
"IF I were to ask you where you got them from, would you tell me? Keep in Mind I am not asking you now, I am saying: IF I were to ask you, would you tell me"
and his answer
was No.
so - the questions you pose in reply to me - yes, I do believe he is an addict.
I believe he is putting pills before me.
He has never put anything before me (that I know of)
we went to bed, I told him I loved him
he started to say something late in the night, as I was laying there praying for God to guide my tongue
and I just said please lets talk tomorrow good night
this morning I woke up at 3:30 am and have continue to pray ever since
fueled with Gods Glory, His Promises to ME and a little extra Java
I woke up before I left for work, told him I loved him with all of my heart
more today than yesterday
his reply "I doubt that, I love you too"
mine: "Do not ever doubt these 2 things: most importantly Gods loves for you and US & #2 my love for you"
and I left for work....
thank you in advance for your prayers, your words of support
I am trusting in the Lord to guide me and to heal my husband and my marriage.
 
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so he bought pills from a dealer (strike 1) and sold pills AS a dealer (strike 2).

I dealt with a similar situation some years ago...prescription drug addiction. Found out a few interesting things. First...always assume the addict is lying, ALWAYS. The joke was "how do you know an addict is lying? Their lips are moving".

Give him a choice...rehab or you call the cops. Selling illegal prescription meds is a felony. Easy choice, rehab or you're busted. Don't play with this, don't play his game. Addicts are smart, manipulative and will tell you whatever you want to hear just so they can get their fix.
 
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so he bought pills from a dealer (strike 1) and sold pills AS a dealer (strike 2).

I dealt with a similar situation some years ago...prescription drug addiction. Found out a few interesting things. First...always assume the addict is lying, ALWAYS. The joke was "how do you know an addict is lying? Their lips are moving".

Give him a choice...rehab or you call the cops. Selling illegal prescription meds is a felony. Easy choice, rehab or you're busted. Don't play with this, don't play his game. Addicts are smart, manipulative and will tell you whatever you want to hear just so they can get their fix.

I completely agree with you, We are working through this, he (to my knowledge and following his trail as best as I can) he has not take since last week. His pupils are not tiny (that is 1 sign he doesn't even know is there, that I have read about..the pencil point pupils) They are normal - and our bank account does not have any withdrawls... I am still being careful & watching & listening...but I am also standing on the word of God daily....hourly even, and claiming OUR victory, as a married couple, his victory, as a child of God and I am praising Jesus for breaking the chains of addiction continuously I am praising Him.
 
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I'm so very glad and grateful your prayers are being heeded in these hours.

Red Pony Driver's advice of demanding rehab or calling the cops is a good plan to have in your pocket if you catch him taking again. Now that you have demanded a change, it's very important to stand by it and not enable him to wobble between his addiction and his efforts without an escalation.
 
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