Does God want us to "sin less" in this life or to "stop sinning?"

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Someone might claim to be sinless. They are deluded. They will, by necessity, need to claim that they are not disciplined by God. Why would someone who is sinless need discipline? But scripture is clear that if you do not receive discipline then you are not one of His.
 
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Someone might claim to be sinless. They are deluded. They will, by necessity, need to claim that they are not disciplined by God. Why would someone who is sinless need discipline? But scripture is clear that if you do not receive discipline then you are not one of His.

Jesus was without sin ....
 
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Sins are actions that are not of the will of the Father. If one loves as the Father loves, there is no sin. But we sin because of ignorance of perfect love, which the Father is.

Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.- Gospel of Philip

Sin is the desires of the flesh. The actions that edify oneself over others. To love another as you love yourself, can cover a multitude of sins. To love the Father as much as he loves you is perfect love.

Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect is what Jesus said to obtain. Seek the kingdom of God, that is within you and around you. The spirit makes you alive, the flesh profits nothing. We grow in the seed of the spirit (which Christ taught) and blossom through understanding by the Holy Spirit.

Sin is never defeated but recognized in the truth that reveals it. The more knowledge we receive the less effective it becomes. We seek to be pure in spirit, mind and soul.
 
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Does God want us to "sin less" or to "stop sinning?"

Please use Scripture to justify your answer;
Thank you and may God's love shine upon you.
God wants us to stop sinning, while knowing that we'll continue to struggle with sin in this life nonetheless. He's placed us on a 'journey to perfection' as one teaching puts it, and perfection is another way to say "sinlessness", which is simply how we were created to be. He never created us to sin after all.
 
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God abhors sin. The reason that God described Job as He did, is because Job "feared" God and Job "eschewed evil" (hated sin).

In addition, more specifically, there are seven things that God hates. I can post the verses if you like. (I just didn't want to look them up, cuz i was hoping you know the verses i'm referring to).

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I dont know them, could you list them for me please ^_^

(I really don't know but got to admit to find it funny asking)
 
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"Communion" is a time when you and God get together.
Becasue we are not in a constant state of communion
in this life, we live in Sin.

Whoever walks in integrity walks securely,
but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.
Proverbs 10:9

Yes. Exactly. If the Bible teaches you can overcome sin (and it does - 2 Corinthians 7:1, 1 Peter 4:1, Galatians 5:24, Romans 6:18) and one is against this, then their path is crooked and it will be found out because they are going against the Bible’s definition of righteousness.

You said:
But over time we begin to
see how God would have us act well toward each other.
Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

Yes, this would also include loving the poor. See the parable of the Good Samaritan. Then read the Sheep and the Goats parable in Matthew 25.

You have to understand that God's Eternal Moral Laws (like, "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not commit adultery,") have always existed for man after the Fall. The Law of Moses only repeated these moral laws and it added ceremonial laws and judicial laws into the package or covenant for Israel. But Paul was trying to get believers from not following the false Pharise religion that still seeked to follow the Old Covenant Law that was no more. God's Eternal Moral Laws still exist. They always have. The Old Covenant Law (i.e. the Law of Moses) is a covenant package that is no longer binding, though. This does not mean God's Eternal Moral Laws are not in existence today under the New Covenant. For we see them repeated in the New Testament as commands for us today. When Paul was saying to the Galatians to fulfill the Law, he was talking about the Old Law because they were still seeking to be circumcised. Remember, in Romans 3:1, Paul says, what profit is there in circumcision? In Galatians 5:2, Paul says, if you seek to be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Also, in the false Pharisee religion it left out God's grace, and they did not even obey all of the Law of Moses when it was in effect before Christ's death. Jesus says they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like faith, love, justice, and mercy (Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42). They also did not seek repentance with God properly, either. This is evident in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee. The Pharisee did not humble himself to repent of his sins like the Tax Collector. Thus, Paul placed a strong emphasis on Initial Salvation or Ultimate Salvation through Jesus Christ in his various writings to believers at that time. The problem is that the Pharisees thought they were saved because they were descendants of Abraham. This is very similar to OSAS. A person is saved based on the fact that they are God's child and not on what they do. Yet, Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their evil actions. Paul even says that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. For is doing "sin" the proud position or the righteous one? Or do you think doing good is the righteous position? 1 John 3:7 says he that does righteousness is righteous.

Anyways, Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). This is plural. Paul even says that what he had written should be regarded as the Lord's commandments (1 Corinthians 14:37). Believing on Jesus is a commandment (1 John 3:23). There is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). The Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). The Royal Law (James 2:8). Not sure why you think these things are not applicable to us salvation wise. For the Royal Law is to love your neighbor. it is a law. Paul essentially says that the moral law (like "Do not murder," "Do not covet," "Do not steal,") is fulfilled by loving your neighbor. So loving your neighbor has to be in harmony with God's Eternal Moral Laws that have always existed. Jesus says if you look upon a woman in lust, you are in danger of hell fire. So I really do not see how you think you are not under any of God's laws salvation wise. For if you are not under any command salvation wise, then you can murder, commit adultery, get drunk and then drive, and still be saved while doing such evil things. But Jesus says, you will know a tree by it's fruit. What will Jesus say to you about the fruit in your life? Ever read Romans 2:5-11 recently?

You said:
Still, our condition is separation, and we must live with that.

Direct my footsteps according to your word;
let no sin rule over me.
Psalm 119:133

But this verse is non-sensical in relation to what you say you believe. Let sin rule over believers is exactly what you believe and yet, Psalms 119:133 preaches against that.

You said:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight
by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become
conscious of our sin.
Romans 3:20

Again, this is the works of the Law of Moses and it was also in relation to the false Pharisee religion that left out God's grace and salvation through Jesus Christ. That is why it mentions Jesus as a way of salvation in the following verses. The Pharisees did not believe in Jesus and they tried to get other believers to follow the Old Law as a way of salvation when it no longer applied. Yes, it is true that we should not be declared righteous by the works of the Law alone because everyone has sinned. That is why Paul is saying we need Jesus to forgive us of our past sins so that we can then walk uprightly. For the very purpose Jesus died on the cross was to make us holy and to be zealous of good works (See Ephesians 5:25-27, Titus 2:14). For the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live soberly and righteously in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). One is not living righteously if they believe they will always be a slave to sin in some way. Think, my friend.

You said:
Romans 13:8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another
in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

Loving your neighbor is a commandment. Even all of the Old Law (that is no more) was based upon love (i.e. the two greatest commandments - which is to love God and to love your neighbor). So no. The Bible does not teach that believers will "sin less." The Bible teaches that one will stop sinning.
 
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I dont know them, could you list them for me please ^_^

(I really don't know but got to admit to find it funny asking)

You realize there's a fee involved, yes? :p

Ok, regarding Job:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1

The seven things that God hates:

" These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." ~Proverbs 6:16-19

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[for me anyway] as we all know if we are honest about the matter, that we do sin, but now in Christ we no longer put our trust into the hands and power of sin, but in God through Christ. The penitent sinner may fall several times, but shall rise right back up in their sincerity toward God: contrariwise the impenitent sinner who still puts their trust into the hands and power of sin, when they sin still fall into mischief.
As for sin less or stop sinning, as the Lord said "Go and sin no more" which exactly defines repentance without scholastic achievement! Notwithstanding lest we forget, repenting is voluntary, just as continuing in willful and deliberate sin voluntary: every person according as they purpose it in their heart to make the sincere effort to do the things which the Lord says, or make light of what He tells us to do.
 
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@Jason0047 could you tell us, like in a paragraph, the key to not sinning at all...? Is what we atypically think sin is, is not sinning really even the point?

Is sin more or less important than some other things?, are some sins greater or less than another?, can different people be predisposed to having struggles of different sins more or less than another?, and does that, or the individual circumstances, need to be considered?

Is one thing a sin, for one person, and not for another...?

Most of us do wrong that we know we shouldn't, and the rest of us are liars, and that is the problem, and we see no way out of it...

It is also my opinion that when one even begins to think themselves sinless, the struggle into a whole other category of sin(s), that most are blind too... And it is that kind that Jesus/God really hates...

God Bless!
 
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in my opinion, i do not believe in possible to stop sinning altogether, I believe when we sin, we are to ask for Gods forgiveness and do our best not to sin the same way again, if we end up doing so anyway, thats okay we are not infallible machines, we are humans and thus we will make mistakes, as long as we own up to them and ask the Lord for forgiveness each and every time, then thats what i believe He truly wants.
 
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"thou shall not eat of it"

We are not under the command given to Adam and Eve. There are no two trees in the Garden for us to choose between as the only command.
 
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Does God want us to "sin less" or to "stop sinning?"

Please use Scripture to justify your answer;
Thank you and may God's love shine upon you.

He told the prostitute who repented to "go and sin no more" not "go and sin less often" or even worse "keep sinning since I'll accept you either way - you're just a sinner (like everyone else) saved by grace."
 
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He told the prostitute who repented to "go and sin no more" not "go and sin less often" or even worse "keep sinning since I'll accept you either way - you're just a sinner (like everyone else) saved by grace."

perhaps it was meant that she needed to "sin no more as a prostitute" as in, stop being a prostitute, but as a person shell still sin.
 
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We are not under the command given to Adam and Eve. There are no two trees in the Garden for us to choose between as the only command.

the command was given to Adam/man ... it is this command which Jesus kept ... and it is this law which is being written in us in this moment ...
 
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I could post scripture, but you already know why God sent his Son to die for sin, meaning we are expected to sin. He also sent him to show us how to act/not sin.

So yes, stop if we can but since that won't happen, when we sin, take advantage of what God put in place to deal with that, ask forgiveness, and move on.

I like to think of it as we should keep getting better in that regard, and if we can come close....:oldthumbsup:
 
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the command was given to Adam/man ... it is this command which Jesus kept ... and it is this law which is being written in us in this moment ...

Where were the two trees in the Garden of Eden during Christ’s earthly ministry?

I must have missed that chapter.
 
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He told the prostitute who repented to "go and sin no more" not "go and sin less often" or even worse "keep sinning since I'll accept you either way - you're just a sinner (like everyone else) saved by grace."
Right. I agree.
This is something I would say, as well.
 
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