TheSeabass
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A big error of PEOPLE in general is thinking Christ established more than one church (body) and created many faithS., Ephesians 4:4-5.
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Quite biblical that one.
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Eternal torture.
We are eternal beings, and while the eternal lake of fire was not prepared for us, it is one of our possible destinations.
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and beforethou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Matthew 25:46 Jesus Christ speaking.
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
Not believing it will not help. It is a Christian Truth. To believe otherwise is not Christian.
Forgive me...
I've never seen a liberal theologian or a theistic evolutionist ever admit to a miracle. The naturalistic assumptions of our age getting into our theology is the error of our age.
Francis Collins is pretty typical and kind of rare, he actually admits to the miracles of the New Testament. Most of the theistic evolutionists I have interacted with don't want to talk about them.Really? You can't have met too many then. Belief in the Resurrection is pretty much de rigueur for any Christian.
There might be a few people on the fringe, such as John Selby Spong, who scarcely qualify as Christians, but they do not represent people like Francis Collins.
pneuma erroneously translated as "Spirit" which is transliterated from the Latin spiritus and given an impossible meaning that has been reinvented for centuries.
We are eternal beings, and while the eternal lake of fire was not prepared for us, it is one of our possible destinations.
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and beforethou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Matthew 25:46 Jesus Christ speaking.
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
Not believing it will not help. It is a Christian Truth. To believe otherwise is not Christian.
Forgive me...
We are eternal beings, and while the eternal lake of fire was not prepared for us, it is one of our possible destinations.
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Matthew 25:46 Jesus Christ speaking.
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
Not believing it will not help. It is a Christian Truth. To believe otherwise is not Christian.
Forgive me...
I wish the Jews would read it, since it shows both their forefather, and their deliverer out of Egypt, another words, both Abraham and Moses in it:Now, on to the famous Lazarus and the Rich Man scene...
1. There was a certain rich man who was splendidly clothed in purple and fine linen and who lived each day in luxury.
2. At his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus who was covered with sores.
3. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side.
The rich man was an offspring of Abraham, knew the will of God (invoke that earlier quote I made before about knowing the will of God and not doing it), and he did not keep the royal law of loving your neighbour as yourself. In fact, he mercilessly didn't consider a man right at his hand, a neighbour so close to him, he did not help.
Please brothers, time to read the entire Bible not pull 2 quotes out from Revelation and the Lazarus-Rich Man example every single time to make a case. Consider also that the eternal torment scene refers to smoke going up forever AND even if it does give a glimpse of endless torture for some, it's for the sons of disobedience who saw all the trumpets blow and heard all the testimonies, and STILL worshiped the beast.
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To paraphrase Mark Twain, "There are lies, damn lies and sola fide."
Yet another of those "conservative" "what the Bible really means there is..." moments.That 'is' does not mean is but actually means 'isn't' as in "this is my body".
Apparently St. Paul disagreed with you as to it being metaphorical - 1 Corinthians 11:23-29
1 Corinthians 11:23-29 Is St. Paul warning us against failure to discern what isn't there? How odd.That's an easy one. It's called a metaphor.
Same as it always was:
Turning grace into a law so people can't be directed by the holy spirit.
Most people never listen.....Turning grace into a law so people can't be directed by the holy spirit.