Will someone explain the 7 churches that was addressed in Revelations?

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I think Ephesus fell into ruin well before that.

Before 1922? or before 90 A.D?

Christianity was introduced already in the city of Ephesus in the 1st century AD by Paul the Apostle. The local Christian community comprised one of the seven churches of Asia mentioned at the Book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle. The metropolis remained active until 1922-1923.
 
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I was wondering if the 7 churches that were addressed in Revelation correlated to 7 denominations of faith of today and if so which ones.
Not exactly but the seeds of what the church has become were sown in Asia Minor. From Ephesus they founded no less then seven churches, they were the recipients of the New Testaments last Apostolic guidance that has informed us concerning the return of Christ these 2,000 years. Many attempts have been made to draw corollaries between modern traditions like Ephesus being doctrinal strong, but weak on Pastoral attention. Smyrna was poor from persecution but faithful, which made them rich in the things of God. The Ephesian church reminds me a bit of the Catholic and Orthodox, the Smyrna church more like evangelicals while the church of Philadelphia reminds me more of missions then anything else.
 
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And these were regional or local issues, not messages for the WHOLE Church.

Sorry, but the Book of Revelation is meant for the whole body of Christ, not just a few.
 
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Primarily, and with an application to modern churches that resemble them.
THe only assemblies of ekklesia today that even come close accurately 'resembling them' at all are the underground persecuted assemblies as in china.....
 
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Before 1922? or before 90 A.D?

Christianity was introduced already in the city of Ephesus in the 1st century AD by Paul the Apostle. The local Christian community comprised one of the seven churches of Asia mentioned at the Book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle. The metropolis remained active until 1922-1923.
William Ramsey describes the church of Smyrna still around for at least a thousand years, they were very loyal to the Byzantine empire. Philadelphia I've heard, was very missionary minded and maintained it's presence in that city almost 800 years.
 
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Christianity was introduced already in the city of Ephesus in the 1st century AD by Paul the Apostle.

Obviously.

The local Christian community comprised one of the seven churches of Asia mentioned at the Book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle.

Obviously.

The metropolis remained active until 1922-1923.

Not true. It was destroyed and rebuilt a few times, but declined greatly when the harbour silted up. It was abandoned completely in the 1400s, afaik.

Some of the other cities mentioned in Revelation still remain, though.
 
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Right, the churches being the seven churches in Asia--these are the recipients of the text. The Revelation is something of an encyclical, a letter that would be passed around from place to place. St. Paul's letter to the Galatians is another example of an encyclical, since it's not aimed at one specific place (like Rome or Corinth) but to all the churches in the region of Galatia. John is writing to these seven churches in the region of Asia; they're the target audience just as churches in Galatia are the target audience of Galatians, or that the Church in Rome was the target audience of Romans.

-CryptoLutheran

But, perhaps I'm not clear...though the letters had a specific intended audience at that time...as do all the Epistles...they are in fact, as another poster here wrote, transcendent of the ages. We see this from both the passage I quoted and then that they are within a book of the Holy Scriptures which of course addresses all believers for all time.
 
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The "Church Age" people can never agree on what it means of course, because as the years roll on there's more history, and the "Ages" need to be redefined. And everybody always seems to believe that they're living in the "7th Age."

Maybe, but it needs to fit in with the rest of the Scriptures, specially the Book of Revelations which is promised to be openend at the last church age.

The Seven church ages runs parallel with the first four Seals or the four horse riders. It's also running with Revelation 13 and Revelation 17 and many other Scriptures but you need the Lamb to open it up, not a school, institute or some teacher. God works in a very specific way and until He opens it (and it is opened) you are merely speculating and probing and Scripture is of no private interpretation.
 
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Here is an interesting paper on the Seven Churches as in Rev. 2 & 3:

THE SEVEN CHURCHES OF ASIA
PROPHETIC VIEW OF REVELATION TWO AND THREE
By R. DeWitt, 2004; add: 3/17
It is remarkable that God has recorded some overviews of the condition of man down through the ages, so we might learn from prophetic pictures. Here in the book of Revelation is one of those pictures or overview of the church. It is for those who are serious seekers, showing the downward slide from the beginning, much failure, some faithfulness, and the present day. Some thoughts are from a presentation of Revelation two and three from 1957 by H. Alves, and adapted here with commentary by this writer.

In Revelation two and three we see messages to seven churches as stated in Revelation 1:4, 19-20. Many Bible commentators believe these seven churches and the messages are also a picture of the universal church down through history since then. Seven speaks of responsibility and fullness in overall divine government ---God's view, who knows the end from the beginning, compared to man's limited understandings.

God judged these seven churches for their conduct good and bad, and it also shows the mind of God, and is recorded to show the Spirit of God dealing with the universal church in all ages to follow, I believe. These seven are chosen to teach church condition, it appears. We can see the character of: 1. Departure from Christ; 2. Great troubles; 3. Religious innovations; 4. Religious deception; 5. Gospel revival; 6. Church truth revival; 7. Apostasy and worldliness.

Notice that each address begins with the One who is speaking, which is different for each condition, but the same Lord. We also see reference to the seven stars which I see as those with exercise ---light bearers and messengers in the local assemblies, who are held by God; and there are seven candlesticks (lamps) as the representative testimonies established. In chapters 1:4 and 3:1 God also speaks of the seven Spirits, which I believe tells of the Spirit of God dwelling in the midst of God's testimonies (see Matt. 18:20). It seems to be the Holy Spirit manifested in completeness (as seven) in various ways, and acting together with the trinity.
One can find an interesting representation with Paul's voyage (Acts 27) and the parables of Matthew 13, which also appear to show church history:

Ephesus 2:1-7: meaning desirable or fully purposed; showing also the apostolic age about A.D. 37-167; commendation v.2,3,6; condemnation v.4; counsel or comfort v.5; call to hear and overcome v.7; like sower and the Word in Matt. 13 ---like Paul's voyage began Acts 27:2. The saints at Ephesus (and the universal church) had a good beginning, but began to leave their first love. The message is to the conscience of the church and especially the overseers, who God holds accountable. They are commended for some things and condemned for others. I understand "thy candlestick (lampstand)"--v.5, refers to the testimony there. The reference to "Nicolaitanes" (v.6) means "nico"-- ruler, and "laitanes"--laity or people, and describes the condition of lords or "clergy" over God's people --a religious hierarchy. It is not good in God's sight and denies the lordship of Christ. Verse 7 is that "tree" which was also forbidden in the garden of Eden, but is now available for life for those in Christ.

Smyrna 2:8-11: meaning myrrh or bruised incense; showing also the coming persecution of about A.D. 167-316; commendation v.9; condemnation, none; counsel or comfort v.10; call to hear and overcome v.11; like wheat and tares in Matt.13 ---like winds contrary in Acts 27:4. This was a time of much persecution and the saints there are encouraged to be faithful and withstand the tares among them, as began to be so also everywhere. God shows His sympathy and care for them and encourages them on, in spite of their failure to honor God. Verse 11 indicates also the broader picture of the churches in ages to follow.

Pergamos 2:12-17: meaning twice married or high tower; showing the worldliness there and also about A.D. 316-500; commendation v.13; condemnation v. 14, 15; counsel or comfort v.16; call to hear and overcome v.17; like the mustard tree in Matt.13 ---like fair havens in Acts 27:8. They (like the church in all places) began to mix with the world (twice married), embrace them, and feel satisfied, and only a few were faithful. Verses 14 & 15 shows they were compromising the faith and not judging evil among them. Verse 17 is again a reminder to us that God is thinking also of the church in ages to follow; and He speaks of the personal reward for faithful ones in the end---the stone and new name.

Thyatira 2:18-29: meaning continual sacrifice or burning incense; showing also that period of about 500-1500 A.D. under the papacy of the Roman Religion and continuing; commendation v.19; condemnation v.20-23; counsel or comfort v. 24, 25; call to hear and overcome v. 26-29; like woman and leaven in Matt. 13 ---like no sun or stars in Acts 27:20. This condition describing the careless ways of Thyatira, speaks also of the evil of the RC religion that began to affect the universal church from about A.D. 500 on (referred to later as ecclesiastical Babylon); and speaks of the various denominations (daughters) that came out of her, but continued her ways rather than follow the Word of God. Jezebel (v.20) has often been likened to the Roman Catholic religion. I believe "her children" (v.23) speaks of all the so-called churches which descended from her and follow after the ways of the RC religion even today. The call is given for overcomers.

Sardis 3:1-6: meaning those escaping or renewed; showing also protestantism of about A.D. 1500 & continuing; commendation v.1, 4; condemnation v. 2; counsel or comfort v. 2, 3; call to hear and overcome v. 5, 6; like hid treasure in Matt. 13 ---like word from God in Acts 27:24. The lack of appreciation of God's good work at Sardis and their spiritually dead condition, is like the reformation movement later that recovered the true gospel testimony, but many saints held on to the evil traditions for the church which they had learned for 1000 years in the RC religion. These all give us a picture of the course of the church. God sees that even with the failure there are those who remain faithful (v.4). He calls all to be overcomers, and in verse 6 God exhorts all in all ages to hear and learn from this.

Philadelphia 3:7-13: meaning brotherly love or love of the brethren; showing also the revival of church truth about A.D. 1827 & continuing; commendation v. 8; condemnation, none; counsel or comfort v. 9,10,11; call to hear and overcome v. 12, 13; like costly pearl recovered in Matt. 13 --- like bread to eat in Acts 27:35, 36. The saints there kept God's Word (v.8), and it shows forth also that recovery and revival of church truth which followed in the early 1800's. The saints there (and today) have the truth set before them (an open door), and those who embrace it are commended---"a little strength, and hast kept My Word". Verse 9 is a solemn thought, and in verse 11 the saints are exhorted to "hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown"; then verse 13 gives the same call to hear what He is saying to all.

Laodicea 3:14-22: meaning people rule or people's rights; showing also the self-satisfaction and worldliness of about A.D. 1910 & continuing; commendation, none; condemnation v. 15,16,17; counsel or comfort v. 18, 19, 20; call to hear and overcome v. 21, 22; like the drag net of Matt. 13 ---like the ship broken in Acts 27:44. Failure of the Laodicean saints to take a stand for the Lord and keep His Word is like unto our present day, and speaks of setting aside God's standards and following after the religious ideas of men at the end of the church age. All true saints will be saved (Acts 27:44), but many will suffer loss of rewards for their carnal ways and unfaithfulness. The total collapse of free government and the rise of a dictator (the beast of Rev.13 --who could be living now) will be the final system of man. The Word for the church speaks of rebellion and assertion of the flesh, and then final judgment. In both Acts and Matthew we see God preserving that which is of Himself. God warns and exhorts and blesses true saints, and calls us all to hear what He is saying and be overcomers.

Truly our God knows the end from the very beginning. We can be thankful for those teachers of past years, now with Christ, for opening up good ministry for our profit. It is a valuable lesson to contemplate. - RLD.

Also, Pergamos is the age of the Nicea Council. And the marriage of state and church. The first three ages are very important in the development of the false vine and the last three in the maturing of the true vine.

The whole of the church ages depicts death, burial and resurrection for the true vine where the Thyatira was basically the dark ages or millennial reign of the false vine until the new green sprouts started coming out in the sardis age with the renaissance period under Martin Luther. In a nutshell.
 
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The Seven church ages runs parallel with the first four Seals or the four horse riders.

There are no "7 Church Ages." There are messages to 7 specific churches in Asia Minor (with applicability to all of us).

you are merely speculating and probing and Scripture is of no private interpretation.

And you're not?
 
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There are no "7 Church Ages." There are messages to 7 specific churches in Asia Minor (with applicability to all of us).



And you're not?

You are not speculating Radagast as you reply...I fully agree with your reasoning which is really not reasoning but extending the same principles of the age old approach to the Scripture which is that the reader receives the same message as the Apostles and the prophets. Jesus puts it this way...
John 17:20-21:
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

and as Paul puts it in Romans:15:4:
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.
 
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I was wondering if the 7 churches that were addressed in Revelation correlated to 7 denominations of faith of today and if so which ones.

They were 7 actual churches, but we can certainly take a lot of advice form those letters because those churches had a lot of problems still common today. We could certainly take any church today, regardless of denomination, and say that it has the spirit of "x" church from the book of revelation. We also know that churches are, prophetically, lampstands, holding the flame which is the word of God. We see in revelation that the lamb of God, which is the body of christ, has seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into the world, and the world was created in seven days, and the menorah, which is the sign of Israel, in the tabernacle and in the temple, is a lampstand with seven candlesticks... in ancient times, Zechariah saw a vision of a stone with seven eyes... some believe this is seven ministries, others say it's seven archangels, it's been debated and speculated on for many years but instead of reading all that, study for yourself and ask God to reveal His mysteries... I've wondered for years myself but this is truly one of the many mysteries of prophecy.

I'm sure everyone here will tell you exactly what it means but few in agreement hehe
 
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The 7 churches in Asia Minor was a church planting mission that thrived in the first century. The cities mentioned starting in Ephesus follow the Roman road that ran in a big circle through Asia Minor. Pricilla and Aquilla were, like Paul tent makers. Ephesus was the New York of its day where merchants could buy things wholesale, get some tents, and make the trip through Asia Minor selling their wares. Apparently the mission of the church followed the trade route.
 
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I was wondering if the 7 churches that were addressed in Revelation correlated to 7 denominations of faith of today and if so which ones.

Hello @Heart2Soul,

These assemblies of 'called out ones' (ekklesia) will be on the earth during 'the day of the Lord', or, 'the Lord's Day' (Rev.1:10). They will be the remnant of believing Israelites; the 144,000 sealed ones; the great multitude; and other bodies of faithful ones who are referred to all throughout the Book. In later passages we read of 'the remnant of her (the woman's) seed', which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. These will need special instruction, warning and encouragement, and this is what God, Who knows the end from the beginning, in His foreknowledge, has provided in these letters to them: that they may, 'Overcome' (eg., Rev.2:7), during this time of great trial.

* The Church is not the subject of the Book of Revelation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Not true. It was destroyed and rebuilt a few times, but declined greatly when the harbour silted up. It was abandoned completely in the 1400s, afaik.

I think you misunderstood. I was not taking about the city. I was talking about the bishoprics over which John had his Metropolitanate
 
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[for me anyway] they are the stages of Church history, and notice the last stage signified by indifference in the Church.

Here are some of my objections to such an interpretation:

1. There's no exegetical basis for it. There's nothing in the text itself to suggest that these speak of stages or ages within history of the Christian Church, nor anything in Scripture at all to divide the history of Christianity into particular theological epochs. As an interpretation it is arrived at by pure conjecture without any material support.

2. There is an underlying assumption in this interpretation, by most who espouse it, that we are living in the "Laodicean age"--it assumes that we are in the last legs of ecclesiastical history and that the Eschaton is just around the corner; but this assumption likewise exists without material support and by pure conjecture. Our Lord taught that no one knows the day or the hour when He returns and the end comes, and teaches us there are no signs by which we can know this by saying that it will be as it was in the days of Noah--people going about their business, working in the fields, getting married and without any warning the end comes.

3. Barring that we accept the church age interpretation while rejecting the assumption that we are in the "last" age of such a schema; or even if we do, by what measure or metric do we make any kind of determinations about mapping out these supposed ecclesiastical ages to known ecclesiastical history?

Conclusion: As an interpretative framework there doesn't seem to be much to go with or by, other than conjecture and being arbitrary in application. And that doesn't seem like a very good way to try and understand and interpret Holy Scripture as it amounts to pure eisegesis.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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They were seven specific churches in Asia Minor (what we now call Turkey). But, as someone has already said, the statements made apply to churches all over the world.

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They were the first to accept Christ Yeshua as Savior and Lord and none exist today .
Actually Syria was the first Christian nation and they like the rest turned from God and America is following on the same path .
The US nor any other nation are of the Seven Churches of Asia , however God fearing Christians founded America for the Glory of God America was founded a Christian nation.

I was wondering if the 7 churches that were addressed in Revelation correlated to 7 denominations of faith of today and if so which ones.

There are more than Seven Christian Denominations that have their roots in the Catholic Church Baptist the only Christian Church that does not have their roots in the Catholic Church . See "The Trail of Blood" By J.M. Carroll
 
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