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Yes. Could not agree more. Moment I realize this truth was when he tell yacht sex story to large group of children two months ago.

And then congratulates himself for giving the greatest speech ever made to those children.

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... Please tell me that this isn't true, Yonny. That Trump, even Trump, didn't actually regale kids with a tale involving a tryst of his on a yacht ....

Probably hoping for too much ....

But seriously, regardless of whether Trump was a good or a bad President, or what has happened in his moral history, i am really starting to find it a little disturbing these not-so-subtle hints at virtually deifying praise of the current President. And by fellow Christians, no less. He's called Pastor by some, now? Seriously? Not to mention the (at least) two times in the past year I have seen a post on these forums capitalizing the word "he" when referring to Trump (and it sure as hell wasn't at the beginning of a sentence, either). AND a post I remember from a week or two ago where someone made an analogy that strongly suggested we as the American people should no more question the current President than any believer should question God. I mean, it's getting a little scary, here.
 
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And then congratulates himself for giving the greatest speech ever made to those children.
Could you please provide evidence of this? I cannot easily find it. Thank you.
Trump make racist attack on judge and say judge can not be impartial because of Latino heritage.
I would like to see evidence for this too, but do be assured that I am inclined to view with scepticism that Pres. Trump should not concede to having operated immorally in his marketing of the university. But of course, it is not an easy admission to make, and some genuine contrition should be sufficient to satisfy offended parties. I will stay alert for this.
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... Please tell me that this isn't true, Yonny. That Trump, even Trump, didn't actually regale kids with a tale involving a tryst on his on a yacht ....
I have been looking into this. As you'd know if you've endured the baptism of fire (Matthew 3:11, Luke 12:50), there's a lot who haven't and they are under thumb for the deceiver. A huge evil of slander occurs in it's wake at even the slightest opportunity (1 Peter 4:12, Ephesians 4:27).

So it pays to weigh the evidence (Proverbs 28:21). You can see the evidence here:


.. beginning from 16:26, going to 24:03, he is giving a speech that emphasises the importance of rolling with momentum, having a very good point in the end.

At 18:30 (two minutes in), the flesh reared it's ugly head, the crowd wooed (being immature by nature) and it provoked him to boast for a moment (boasting had been quite present throughout the speech, I wonder who spoke to him as he came onto the platform..)

It was distasteful, and it was the setting of a bad example for children. It is a reflection (I am sure), of a character that has been formed in him from a long life without living according to the principles of scripture. The issue I am interested in is whether this is subsiding through the refinement process of such a different experience (Jeremiah 9:7, Daniel 11:35, Proverbs 21:1).

But I must allow you to make your own judgement by watching him and gauging the intent of his heart.
Probably hoping for too much ....
Seeing you said this, keep in mind Romans 14:1-4 for the sake of Matthew 7:2.
But seriously, regardless of whether Trump was a good or a bad President, or what has happened in his moral history, i am really starting to find it a little disturbing these not-so-subtle hints at virtually deifying praise of the current President. And by fellow Christians, no less. He's called Pastor by some, now? Seriously?
I think this was actually the OP's attempt at satire.
Not to mention the (at least) two times in the past year I have seen a post on these forums capitalizing the word "he" when referring to Trump (and it sure as hell wasn't at the beginning of a sentence, either).
Christians often make this mistake. There's an example of it in the second paragraph here: Lucifer/Satan. It takes conscious effort while forming the habit, and a bad habit can persist.

I just worry at this, that you seem to be indicating that you have an axe to grind.
AND a post I remember from a week or two ago where someone made an analogy that strongly suggested we as the American people should no more question the current President than any believer should question God. I mean, it's getting a little scary, here.
I would like to see this comment, are you able to find where it was said and provide a link to it?
 
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Could you please provide evidence of this? I cannot easily find it. Thank you.
Donald Trump just keeps lying - CNNPolitics
The second came last week in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, the transcript of which was published Tuesday night. In the interview, Trump boasted: "I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful."
Neither of those phone calls actually happened, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders admitted in her daily press briefing Wednesday.
tulc(hopes that helps) :wave:
 
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I would like to see this comment, are you able to find where it was said and provide a link to it?

No problem.

I don't know how to do this quote thing from another thread, so simply go here:
How did that "Rocket Man" comment go over ?

And look at post #10 by one Mountainmanbob.

The part about suggesting that us questioning Trump's ways is anywhere akin to mere mortals questioning God's ways is this: "Kind of funny because for the simple man telling Trump how he is supposed to be is kind of like when we hear one saying that God is not fair or why is He not doing things my way?"

A quote which you will find in post #10 in that link.



I just worry at this, that you seem to be indicating that you have an axe to grind.

Not really. This would maybe make my tenth post ever in my entire three years here in the politics forum section. And maybe only half of them were any kind of criticism of Trump. 'Can't say that qualifies me as a die-hard liberal who grinds an axe against Trump just for having run on the opposing political platform.
 
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Could you please provide evidence of this? I cannot easily find it. Thank you.

Boy Scouts dispute Trump claim that their leader called his speech 'the greatest speech that was ever made to them.

I would like to see evidence for this too, but do be assured that I am inclined to view with scepticism that Pres. Trump should not concede to having operated immorally in his marketing of the university.
Then you would be incorrect. Please provide evidence that Trump accept responsibility for running con game Trump University.

Here is link about Trump racist statement regarding Judge in case:

Paul Ryan rips Donald Trump remarks as 'textbook definition of racist comment'
 
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... Please tell me that this isn't true, Yonny. That Trump, even Trump, didn't actually regale kids with a tale involving a tryst of his on a yacht ....

Probably hoping for too much ....


 
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No problem.

I don't know how to do this quote thing from another thread, so simply go here:
How did that "Rocket Man" comment go over ?

And look at post #10 by one Mountainmanbob.

The part about suggesting that us questioning Trump's ways is anywhere akin to mere mortals questioning God's ways is this: "Kind of funny because for the simple man telling Trump how he is supposed to be is kind of like when we hear one saying that God is not fair or why is He not doing things my way?"

A quote which you will find in post #10 in that link.

Not really. This would maybe make my tenth post ever in my entire three years here in the politics forum section. And maybe only half of them were any kind of criticism of Trump. 'Can't say that qualifies me as a die-hard liberal who grinds an axe against Trump just for having run on the opposing political platform.
Thanks for that! I can see it is a very passionate topic, and people are energised immensely in their views. I do think you are too, and this is why you've suspected the upper-cases to denote a deification - which would be unheard of. Christians don't even write of St. Peter in that way! I'd suggest you should double-check that and see if it was not a simple mistake.

@Mountainmanbob doesn't seem to be saying what you have represented him as having said, though: "the American people should no more question the current President than any believer should question God". A more careful reading of him reveals that he has specifically targeted simple people and highlighted that it is wrong to give them charge over a POTUS. He has not excluded qualified opinion, as a large number of American people could have. If you pressed him, he would have to admit that a POTUS should be accountable to the citizens, and that there is no doubt going to be times when a citizen can have a right to speak against a POTUS. I've linked his name, so I guess he might just like to confirm this and remove all doubts.


Thanks! .. This is a worry, indeed. It seems again to be a characteristic carried in from his experience in business, where confidence (image) is key to success; whereas in politics (where the public is concerned), dishonesty is a lethal error. Plus, several scriptures show that it is uncharacteristic for Christians to lie (eg: Ephesians 4:25, Revelation 14:5).
Thanks for that. I note in the transcript that is linked to in the article, the conversation goes like this:

WSJ: You got a good reaction inside the arena, that’s right.

TRUMP: ... from the time I walked out on the stage — because I know. And by the way, I’d be the first to admit mixed. I’m a guy that will tell you mixed. There was no mix there. That was a standing ovation from the time I walked out to the time I left, and for five minutes after I had already gone. There was no mix.

WSJ: Yeah, there was a lot of supporters in the arena.

So it seems to suggest that negative responses have been stirred up outside of the arena after the event. I suppose we can quite fairly assume as observers that by the time this interview took place, Pres. Trump had come to feel unfairly regarded, even persecuted, on account of this fact. That would explain what had triggered such an extreme and dangerous mechanism of defence in light of the truth that it is acknowledged there was no problem with his speech at the time.

People are fickle and untrustworthy. They love you when you are with them and they sing your praises, then an enemy comes and turns their mind against you when you're not looking and then they come enraged with pitchforks. It is hard to live amidst people who do not exercise discernment and think for themselves, who are so easily turned toward hatred and wrath.
Then you would be incorrect. Please provide evidence that Trump accept responsibility for running con game Trump University.
I didn't say that I have seen him do it. I said that I will stay alert to look for honest contrition in him, even if open admission is not possible.
Here is link about Trump racist statement regarding Judge in case:

Paul Ryan rips Donald Trump remarks as 'textbook definition of racist comment'
I am taking my hands off this matter now. It is clear that Pres. Trump has not had full opportunity to consider all evidence as a trial would have produced (Proverbs 18:13, Proverbs 18:17).
 
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I would like to see evidence for this too, but do be assured that I am inclined to view with scepticism that Pres. Trump should not concede to having operated immorally in his marketing of the university. But of course, it is not an easy admission to make, and some genuine contrition should be sufficient to satisfy offended parties. I will stay alert for this.

In context: Trump's racial comments about federal judge

On June 2, 2016, Trump told the Wall Street Journal that Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he is "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. (When Trump said in a separate interview that Curiel "is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro-Mexican" in referfence to the group, PolitiFact National rated his statement Mostly False.) Trump told the journal the judge’s background was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest," Trump said.
 
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In context: Trump's racial comments about federal judge

On June 2, 2016, Trump told the Wall Street Journal that Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he is "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. (When Trump said in a separate interview that Curiel "is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro-Mexican" in referfence to the group, PolitiFact National rated his statement Mostly False.) Trump told the journal the judge’s background was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest," Trump said.
Thanks for this. It is frivolous use of the phrase "racism" upon one simple fact: had the wall been between Canada and USA, Pres. Trump would not have perceived the same conflict of interest with this judge.

Whether it is fair to impose this judgement upon Judge Curiel is another issue, one that provokes jealousy at an opportunity to cry foul for discrimination based upon ethnic identity. That has to be a subjective decision by considering his character (eg: past performance & experiences, present attitudes & activities). Given that Judge Curiel is a member of an organisation that advances the interests of a racial group, it shows that there is some existing commitment toward serving the interests of that racial group. Exactly how likely this is to have an impact upon the case is speculative too, because it depends upon the relevance of the organisation's interests to the people of Mexico, and how it is envisaged that the wall will impact the interests of those people.

Underlying Pres. Trump's distrust was a fear that human sin (wrath) might be given an opportunity to manifest in Judge Curiel as spite, through racial grievances that are not directly relevant to the case, in order to punish one that is taking action in such a way that aggravates the racial grievances of the group he is committed to serve. To think this way is to assume the judge will be unable to exercise self-control over a real and present temptation to sin, that would result in favouritism and miscarriage of justice. This, again, is probably an indication of Mr. Trump having been heavily immersed in a culture where this type of sin was thought normal behaviour in business, before having taken office as President. (Consider Titus 1:15).

I also need to say that building a wall is not a Christian action for resolving problems God's way (consider Luke 6:29, Romans 12:20, 1 Corinthians 3:17). Having said that, Pres. Trump is not elected to represent a nation of exclusively Christian people. Pres. Trump has determined that a wall is a worthwhile investment in his view, to protect those who do not receive God's sovereignty. But building the wall does not contribute a positive psychological advance upon a culture that already is grieved by it's neighbour's regard for it. It could, in fact, cause escalated tensions. But I do not have the inner knowledge of those relationships (as a foreigner), so I am only speaking generally of human behavioural tendencies.

Anyhow, I had already said that I do not wish to continue judging this matter. I am grateful that you acted to provide the information that you thought beneficial.
 
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Thanks for this. It is frivolous use of the phrase "racism" upon one simple fact: had the wall been between Canada and USA, Pres. Trump would not have perceived the same conflict of interest with this judge.


Donald publicly claimed that the fact the the judge would be unable to adjudicate fairly and impartially, because he was of Latino descent. Whether or not that demonstrated Donald's own racial bias, who can say? It's not uncommon for people with prejudices to project prejudices upon others -- all the better to justify their own.

Similarly, if Donald's child rape case had ever gone to trial (remember that?), would he have made the same claim if the judge had been a woman? Who can say? Although his record with women is nothing for him to be proud of, either.

It would be quite frivolous... if this were an isolated incident. Even a cursory study of Donald's past behavior indicates that this is nowhere near the case.

Whether it is fair to impose this judgement upon Judge Curiel is another issue, one that provokes jealousy at an opportunity to cry foul for discrimination based upon ethnic identity. That has to be a subjective decision by considering his character (eg: past performance & experiences, present attitudes & activities). Given that Judge Curiel is a member of an organisation that advances the interests of a racial group, it shows that there is some existing commitment toward serving the interests of that racial group.

Does the California La Raza Lawyers Association Render Curiel incapable of being impartial? If this was an issue, why didn't Donald's lawyers bring up the issue and ask Curiel to recuse himself? Why instead did Donald attempt to smear Curiel in the court of public opinion?

Exactly how likely this is to have an impact upon the case is speculative too, because it depends upon the relevance of the organisation's interests to the people of Mexico, and how it is envisaged that the wall will impact the interests of those people.

None, as far as I can see -- which may answer my previous questions: Donald's lawyers would already know this; but he was most likely counting on the general public not to.

Underlying Pres. Trump's distrust was a fear that human sin (wrath) might be given an opportunity to manifest in Judge Curiel as spite, through racial grievances that are not directly relevant to the case, in order to punish one that is taking action in such a way that aggravates the racial grievances of the group he is committed to serve.

And Donald chose to respond with his own human sins (wrath and envy). Fighting fire with fire only ever results in a bigger fire. Fortunately, there's no indication that Judge Curiel was influenced. Had there been, Donald's lawyers would have appealed his ruling, rather than settle the case.

To think this way is to assume the judge will be unable to exercise self-control over a real and present temptation to sin, that would result in favouritism and miscarriage of justice. This, again, is probably an indication of Mr. Trump having been heavily immersed in a culture where this type of sin was thought normal behaviour in business, before having taken office as President. (Consider Titus 1:15).

Being a businessman, Donald's "immersion" would most likely mean that he himself indulged this sin often.

By way of analogy, Christians are called upon to be in the World but not of it. There's sound reasoning for that: one does not swim without getting wet.

I also need to say that building a wall is not a Christian action for resolving problems God's way (consider Luke 6:29, Romans 12:20, 1 Corinthians 3:17). Having said that, Pres. Trump is not elected to represent a nation of exclusively Christian people. Pres. Trump has determined that a wall is a worthwhile investment in his view, to protect those who do not receive God's sovereignty. But building the wall does not contribute a positive psychological advance upon a culture that already is grieved by it's neighbour's regard for it. It could, in fact, cause escalated tensions. But I do not have the inner knowledge of those relationships (as a foreigner), so I am only speaking generally of human behavioural tendencies.

Considering the passionate (and in some cases, profane) responses from the past and present leaders of our neighbors, I'd say there's no doubt at all that Donald's proposed actions have escalated tensions.

Furthermore, I would be hard pressed to find a tense situation that Donald, through his words and actions, did not manage to make worse as opposed to better.

Anyhow, I had already said that I do not wish to continue judging this matter. I am grateful that you acted to provide the information that you thought beneficial.

As you wish -- One thing to Donald's credit; he will never run out of words and deeds for you to form an opinion on.
 
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Well we don't really expect much else from the Republicans any more, so no, it's not actually all that amazing. :sigh:


You have proof of that? where a Democrat president spent all his time in office tweeting attacks on a bunch of different people? I'd like to see those please. Swearing at people, saying nice things about Nazi's, gosh how about a Democrat President standing up on stage with his five kids from 3 different wives? I'd be interested in seeing one of those pictures. Oh! How about a Democrat President we haven't ever seen their tax returns? I'd be interested in seeing links in support of that. :wave:
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Democratic President, tulc. Adjectives, you know. I heard this poor, suffering grammar calling out to me and returned from the Real World to set things right again.
 
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