Where was Jesus for the 3 days?

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We are punished for our sin by being sent to Hell, there fore if Jesus took our punishment, which I don't think is in dispute here, he must have gone to Hell. It is not a case fo one punishment for one and not another. Jesus had to do for us what we should do and therefore had to suffer our death. he was seperated from the Father (after all that is what Hell is) but He could break free.

I do not believe there is any place he could have been in those three days apart form Hell and I will eb eternally grateful for his having done that.

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11th March 2003 at 04:34 PM nephilimiyr said this in Post #22
Well I see I'm being ignored here so I'll just move on.

Hi,

I noted your comments and you are correct.  He proclaimed His victory to the fallen angels who are presently "imprisoned" in Tartarus, which is neither Hades [hell the place of departed souls] not Gehenna [the Lake of Fire]. Both Peter and Jude speak of them as examples of lasciviousness [lustfulness] similar to that of lascivious men who had crept into the churches for the sake of fornication (See 2 Peter:2:1-22; Jude 4-3).

These fallen angels (who are not the same as free evil angels) are chained because they fornicated with human women in the days of Noah and produced a race of giants (Nephilim! -- I dont' know if your choice of handle was ill-advised?) . See Gen.6:1-4. Many force an artificial interpretation on this portion of God's Word, because it boggles the mind.  Yet angels are also spoken of as male, and can easily take human form, as they always do when communicating with humans. As to why the resurrection victory would be proclaimed to them, we cannot hazard a guess.

But we do know that when the Lord ascended on that glorious Resurrection Day (before returning to communicate with His apostles), He took "captivity captive" by taking all the saints in "Abraham's bosom" [which was a compartment in Hades] to the third heaven or Paradise (Eph. 4:8-10).
 
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Well thanks for your response Ezra! I see you and I follow the same belief in Gen. 6. My handle wasn't ill advised at all in fact I came up with it myself. If you notice I added iyr after the nephilim? The iyr is a chaldean word meaning "watcher" watch in singular verb form. I added it to say in effect that I am watching for the nephilim's return. Not in great anticipation I want you to know.
 
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Interesting theories laid out here, but we seem to be ignoring (or totally unaware of) the teachings of the church that date back to before the bible was even cannonized in 390AD. Particularly, that Jesus "decended to the dead". The Greek uses 2 words which are are often both translated incorrectly to "hell" in english. These 2 words are Gehenna, and Hades. Gehenna is the place where all men unworthy of heaven went while awating the Christ's redemption while Hades is the place of eternal suffering. If you read an early translation of the Bible to English (like the Douay Rheims which predates the King James be about a decade) you see this distinction preserved as it is in the Greek and Latin. Any way, In First Peter 3:19 It is referred to "prison". Also know in early church Tradition as "limbo of the fathers". Jesus' death and resurrection opened the Gates of Heaven not only to the living but all who had died before his coming. During the 3 days, he ministered to the souls who were still waiting for him.
 
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A_B_liever, but both Peter and Jude describe this place as being in a place with everlasting chains of darkness. They give this discription so we will have no doubt as to the place they are refering to.

Luke 16:22-23 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:the rich man also died, and was burried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Here we have to places the dead went before Jesus's reserection. Abrahams bosom for the souls waiting to get to heaven and hell for the dead waiting judgement. 
 
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Today at 08:49 AM A_B_liever said this in Post #25
Interesting theories...  Gehenna is the place where all men unworthy of heaven went while awating the Christ's redemption while Hades is the place of eternal suffering. Also know in early church Tradition as "limbo of the fathers". Jesus' death and resurrection opened the Gates of Heaven not only to the living but all who had died before his coming. During the 3 days, he ministered to the souls who were still waiting for him.
I don't think it is quite appropriate to speak of "theories" when believers are attempting to search the Scriptures [no writings of Early Chruch Fathers for doctrine, edifying as they might be] and establish the true interpretation. Just a few very necessary points to prevent confusion:

1. The place where the "spirits in prison" [fallen angels] went is very specifically called "Tartaroo" or "Tartarus", but translated "hell". Christ procalimed His victory to these evil spirits and thus sealed their doom eventually in the Lake of Fire [gehenna]. Peter very specifically connects them with the time of Noah (1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet.2:4-6). We read "[Christ was] quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached [not necessarily the gospel but a PROCLAMATION of His victory over sin, hell, death, and Satan] unto the [evil] spirits in prison" (which corresponds to "chains of darkness" and "everlasting chains under darkness").

2. You have actually reversed Hades and Gehenna.  Hades [also called sheol in the OT] is described by the Lord Jesus in the narrative about the beggar Lazarus [not a parable but the actual teaching regarding Hades, as nephilimiyr points out] which was composed of two divisions or compartments separated by a wide chasm. On one side "Abraham's bosom" [the place of departed redeemed souls with Abraham as the key figure] and on the other the place of torment [Hades] where all the souls of those who are not redeemed go to await their final doom, which is Gehenna or the Lake of Fire. So we read in Rev. 20:14 "And death and hell [Hades or those who were in Hades waiting for the final judgement] were cast into the Lake of Fire [Gehenna].  This is the second death". The Lake of Fire is therefore the actual place of eternal torment, created for the Devil and his angels.

3. Regarding the redeemed souls in Abraham's bosom, we do not have sufficient Scripture to indicate how long the Lord spent with them or what He said to them.  But certainly, during those three days, He would have also visited them and comforted them with the assurance that they would receive glorified bodies and accompany Him to heaven on the day of resurrection.  Since they had been held "captive" in Hades until the resurrection, we read: Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high , He led captivity captive... Now that He ascended, what is it but [it is evident] that he also descended into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH [Hades or Sheol, not Gehenna]? (Eph. 4:8-10). We also know that some of these resurrected saints appeared to people in Jerusalem briefly before they ascended to heaven (Matt.27:51-53). [There is no Scripture to support "limbo" or purgatory, but the concept of redeemed souls waiting for the resurrection in order to enter Heaven is indeed correct].



 
 
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1 Peter 3:19 I believe.

He was wherever "spirits" are in "prison".

He was declaring His victory over sin to either:

A) mankind watching and waiting to be judged (all mankind)
B) spirits in hell
C) Mormon spirit prison

I think I'm comfortable with the first or second one. TTYL Jesus loves you!

BTW, the descending into hell was NOT necessary for the atonement. His physical death was necessary for justifying us, His resurrection was necessary for resurrecting us.

But to have spent time in hell would have served no purpose.
 
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Yesterday at 06:11 PM Defender of the Faith 777 said this in Post #28
But to have spent time in hell would have served no purpose.
From whose perspective? Who designed the Plan of Salvation? Who chose to "preach" to the spirits in prison?  Who chose to spend time with the saints waiting in "Abraham's bosom"? 

It seems that for you some parts of God's plan are irrelevant and others are relevant.  Anrd you call yourself "Defender of the Faith"? Well all the ancient creeds (Apostle's, Nicene) are very emphatic about including the phrase "He descended into hell" [not Gehenna, the Lake of fire, but Hades, the place of departed souls].  So what makes you say "it served no purpose"? 

Are we using humanistic logic instead of faith? Who said anything about this descent being necessary for the atonement? However, it was necessary to proclaim to all spirits and souls the mighty victory of Christ over sin, hell, death and Satan. That was the purpose.
 
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Are we using humanistic logic instead of faith? Who said anything about this descent being necessary for the atonement? However, it was necessary to proclaim to all spirits and souls the mighty victory of Christ over sin, hell, death and Satan. That was the purpose.

Jesus's descent into hell or tartarus wasn't necessary for the atonement of sin but one has to realize that even angels are created beings. Even though God holds no plan of salvation for the angels that have sinned he still sees it necessary for them to know about their judgement, it's the least he can do for a creature that has had full knowledge of the all supreme God. I believe the reason why these fallen angels are not given atonement for their sins is because they know the mysteries and wonders of Yahwey, they simply have NO excuse, none what so ever!

Therefore Jesus after dieing on the cross went to tell them in effect, hey, here it is, you lost your arguement, death is defeated, I am Lord! Not you!!!

GLORY BE TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!!!

 
 
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I've read on this post about how Christ was separated from God when He was crucified.  But we must remember that Jesus was God incarnate in human form. :angel:

In regards to where He was in those three days, I must ask, are we talking about the body of Christ or the spirit.  :confused:

Remember when Christ died he was glorified by God and given power by the Holy Spirit to be raised from the dead; and in turn His mortal body was put away, in it's place was his regenerated body which was ascended for it was perfect.  :holy:

Christ defeated Satan on the cross, when He put to death on the cross all the sins(past, present, and future) of all mankind.  And remember He says on the cross, that "it is finished" and also He said, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit" (quotes from John 19:30 and Luke 23:46 respectfully)

By saying these words Christ's work of salvation is completed.

PM me if you want to talk to me about this post.

God Bless :wave:
 
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A couple points..
The comma placement is important:
1. "I say to you this day, you will be with me in paradise"

2. It says in Eph 1 that He is the head and we are the body. It says that we (because we are His body), were raised up with Him when God raised Him up. When this happened Col 3:15 says He "threw off principalities and powers". (These are almost always considered to mean demonic spirits)
Where was He when He did this?
What was He (and his body) being raised from?

Psalms 88 is considered by many to be a picture of Christ in hell. Look at it and judge for yourself.


 
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