Is Catholicism Correct?

LittleLambofJesus said:

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Since you mention it, I believe it may be because of this verse:

"She who is in Babylon..." 1 Peter 5:13
1Pe 5:13
She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son.

I don't think the City of Rome/Vatican is showing, but rather 1st century Jerusalem, and the now defunct OC Mosaic system of Judaism...which I felt Catholicism would..IMHO

Reve 3:9
Behold! I-am-giving out of the synagogue of the Satan, to-the ones saying them-selves Judeans to-be and not they-are, but are false......

Also, I don't think Jesus was crucified in Rome, New York, London, etc

Revelation 11:
1 And there was given to me a reed like to a rod, and the messenger stood, saying, 'Rise! and measure! the sanctuary of God, and the altar, and those worshiping in it;
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that cometh up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Which Great City should be considered Babylon?

Which Great City is Babylon?

1. New York
   11 vote(s)
   30.6%
2. London
   4 vote(s)
   11.1%
3. Los Angeles
   3 vote(s)
   8.3%
4. Babylon
   6 vote(s)
   16.7%
5. *
   Jerusalem
   10 vote(s)
   27.8%
6. Rome
   11 vote(s)
   30.6%
7. Something Else
   9 vote(s)
   25.0%

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REV. 11 is not the Mystery Babylon. Rev17-18 is. And St. Peter was in Rome when he penned in code Babylon, in his letter. Look up the time frame and history. Where is St. Peter buried? Defend the people of faith not the false teachers of the RCC the Vatican's fate is revealed in REV18. Even the Mother of our Lord speaks out against it. The Lord says "Come out of her my people".

PeaceB said:

It was only a matter of time, wasn't it?

Do not esteem or degrade, but call a group of people the harlot of Babylon, totally fine, apparently.

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I did not call you it and that is a play on words on your part. I was speaking as to one who is in the pursuit of God and His works- not as one who seeks to dismantle and malign the way of truth . Be careful where you go with me ! I will never loose an argument. I have the Lords Word on that . And it is by Him in which I measure a Popes words. This you should seek to do for your own salvation. If you are truly seeking the Lord. The Saints and the Prophets have a right and duty to call out a False teacher. Do not misrepresent my words again! If you know not the meaning of them you would do well as not to respond at all. Do you know the message of Fatima ?

Non-RCC errors: REBUT

Protestant errors and inventions

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Comment: too many issues! Break them up!

1.Total Depravity of Man

= Calvinistic false doctrine

2. Enthroning the Bible in your Heart = never heard of it!

The Bible is the miraculous spirit-inspired and superintended "word of GOd".

3. Ask Jesus into Your Heart.

Not Biblical. God Calls. Man accepts or rejects His spiritual calling by the choice of his "free will"

4.The Rapture (LATIN: "rapturo"

Scripture supports it.

RAPTURE...comes from the Latin "rapturo"(?) = ~caught up, snatched, raptured
RETURN...RESURRECTION...RAPTURE...REUNION

....a predicted event happening on the Mount of Olives near Jerusalem:

BEFORE the end of the TRIBULATION / GREAT TRIBULATION:
SEE: Matthew 24: 4-28

and AT (?) his SECOND COMING:
See: Matthew 24: 29-31

To the Church in Philadelphia:
Revelations 3:10...
10....I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world
to test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming soon.

Revelations 19: 11-16....The Rider on the White Horse
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse,
whose rider is called Faithful and True.
With justice he judges and makes war.
12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.
He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.
"He will rule them with an iron scepter."
He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Why?:..."encourage each other with these words..."

1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven,
whom he raised from the dead—Jesus,
who rescues us from the coming wrath.

THE RAPTURE:
1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18 (NIV)....RETURN - RESURRECTION - RAPTURE - REUNION
13 Brothers (BELIEVERS), we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep (Body dies),
or to grieve like the rest of men (UNBELIEVERS), who have no hope.(...BELIEVERS have hope/faith in eternal life )
14 We (BELIEVERS) believe that Jesus died and rose again and
so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep (Body dies) in (BELIEVING IN) him.
15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we (BELIEVERS) who are still alive,
who are left till the (SECOND) coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep (Body died).
16 For the Lord himself (Jesus) will COME DOWN from HEAVEN, (in the Resurrected Spirit-Body of Jesus?)
with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God,
and the dead (bodies) in Christ (BELIEVERS) will rise first.
17 After that, we (BELIEVERS) who are still alive and are left will be caught up (snatched/raptured)
together with them ("dead in Christ") in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (spiritual "heaven").
And so we will be with the Lord forever....(body/soul/spirit reunited and in the presence of Jesus in heaven)
18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.

5. Altar Call

Loosely based on Romans 10..."confess with your mouth"

6.Eternal Security = "Once Saved Always Saved" = (OSAS) = HOTLY DEBATED!

Scripture supports it.SEE:

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/losing-salvation.8010090/

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/you-can-lose-your-salvation-through-apostasy.7785433/

Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

Can a Christian Lose His Salvation?

Willful Sin after Salvation and Eternal Security

Work Out Your Own Salvation


7. The Five "SOLA's"...

Are all Scriptural.

The Five Solas are:

1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.

2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.

3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.

4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.

5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.

The Five Solas - Points from the Past that Should Matter to You

One Of The Elect said:

I did not call you it and that is a play on words on your part. I was speaking as to one who is in the pursuit of God and His works- not as one who seeks to dismantle and malign the way of truth . Be careful where you go with me ! I will never loose an argument. I have the Lords Word on that . And it is by Him in which I measure a Popes words. This you should seek to do for your own salvation. If you are truly seeking the Lord. The Saints and the Prophets have a right and duty to call out a False teachers. Do not misrepresent my words again! If you know not the meaning of them you would do well as not to respond at all. Do you know the message of Fatima ?

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Good day to you.

Catholicism

PeaceB said:

How can San Francisco not even make the list?

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S.F. is ranked 8th largest GPP.
Tel Aviv is ranked 2nd largest.....Toronto ranked #1 as the largest in the world.
Rome didn't make the list.......
What is Catholicism' stance on Homosexuality?

Genesis 19:
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.[Reve 11:8, Romans 1:27]
5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Reve 11:8 and their dead bodies are upon the broad-place of the great city (that is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified,)

Leviticus 20:13
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. [Romans 1:27]

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Romans 1:27
Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another.
Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Devin P said:

Well, I mean Catholicism is against Jesus. It's also responsible for much of the paganism that people observe today, people need to know about these things.

It's not attacking to simply point out errors. I didn't bash anyone. I merely mentioned a couple of things they observe, and showed why those things aren't in obedience to the word.

Are catholics bad people? No, nor are those that teach it. But many are deceived by it.

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It's clear that you don't understand Catholic teaching or the scripture you posted. It would help to learn what Catholics actually believe before judging that Catholicism is against Jesus.

PeaceB said:

Good day to you.

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IT SURELY IS! ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

One Of The Elect said:

...I will never loose an argument. I have the Lords Word on that...

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Aren't you special. I guess you must not have a problem with infallibility.

This thread is starting to venture into La La Land. A bold prediction: someone will accuse Catholics of idolatry, a nasty argument will ensue, after which thread will be closed.

So it shall be written.

Peace

samir said:

Aren't you special.

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Am I? Or is the Lord special? Is His Word the measure by which to measure everyone's words including ones own. God is only confusion to those who do not receive understanding through the HOLY SPIRIT. I will never loose an argument with Him, that I can bank on and so can you.

One Of The Elect said:

Am I? Or is the Lord special? Is His Word the measure by which to measure everyone's words including ones own. God is only confusion to those who do not receive understanding through the HOLY SPIRIT. I will never loose an argument with Him, that I can bank on and so can you.

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Did it ever occur to you that you might possibly be one of the confused people?

samir said:

Aren't you special. I guess you must not have a problem with infallibility.

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I Do have a problem with Infallibility when a person makes doctrine or interprets doctrine in a false way. Are you speaking of Papal Infallibility? That is a broad brush stroke. It is obvious many Popes have proven to be fallible. Again you can not go wrong or loose when you measure by Christ' measure. I posted about this. I will never get caught in a snare with my Lord. Infallibility is the Word of God. And those who keep it are infallible. Rev. 14 proves this is possible.The RCC would have done better to say: THE WORD OF GOD IS INFALLIBLE, MEN WHO KEEP IT, TEACH IT AND PREACH BECOME PRESERVED BY IT- THUS BECOME INFALLIBLE!However, to place this as Doctrine over and concerning Popes and anyone representing Christ,
(infallibility) must be proven- not assumed. The RCC assumes we should just accept all Popes teachings without question. This contradicts 1John 4. So, I believe you are as Fallible or Infallible as the word you keep.

PeaceB said:

Did it ever occur to you that you might possibly be one of the confused people?

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About What?

One Of The Elect said:

I will never get caught in a snare with my Lord. Infallibility is the Word of God. And those who keep it are infallible.

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How do you know your personal interpretation of whatever books you don't reject is correct? Do you think the Holy Spirit personally guides you so that you can never be wrong?

Devin P said:

If Jesus was specifically a roman catholic, then yes. He however, was not. His gospel, was that of His Father's, and His Father's gospel, requires us to keep Torah. Because of salvation, not for it. Jesus can't preach against the Torah, nor tell His disciples to do against the Torah either, otherwise He's breaking the same Torah He was supposed to uphold. It's called the Deuteronomy 13 test, and had He taught against Torah, He couldn't of been the Messiah.

I submit to you, that He never did away with the Torah, because all throughout the NT, the apostles kept Torah. Whether it was sacrificing animals, observing the biblical 7th day sabbath (which the RCC changed) or observing biblical feasts (which again, the RCC changed to get more pagans involved in Jesus, hence our reason for celebrating the feast of saturnalia - eg. christmas), or even teaching their converts how to celebrate the biblical feasts.

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I encourage you to read the entire New Testament which will make it abundantly clear that Christians do not have to follow the Torah.