The Screwtape Letters and Theology

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Dear Patient,

In response to your inquiry; yes, they are real. It's good that you see that. One of their best tricks is you not knowing they are there. Let me assure you that security is aware of the situation. I have been assured that no harm can reach you "directly" unless you reach out to them. Do not do so.

No, looking one in the face is not a good idea, you should look away and let us do our job. Do not bemuse them. Brave as you are, they have practiced their terror for millennia. They're doubling up on those who are seeking treatment. One may scare you back only to have another behind you waiting.

Ultimately, they just want to take what you have. It's best to ignore them altogether, they see this as a type of mockery, tending to frustrate easily, they will move on.

Do not presuppose that one being gone is the end of the ordeal. It's rather as if the vacancy now holds a vacuum and could even be filled with something worse if you allow it. Be ever on guard, letting nothing else take hold.

I am here. At HIS command. Yes, they see me and my sword.

Don't take so long in asking. If I can't help, we have lots of resources.

You affectionate Guardian Angel,

Gavreel

Forgive me...

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Chapter XX

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Saved.By.Grace · Oct 4, 2017

Tutorman said:
Yes and we who have that have no excuse, but God is not bound by anything He can do as He pleases and it was shown that some will be judged y the law on their hearts. Not everyone heard or knew Scriptures but followed God's natural law without knowing it, they could be in heaven.

As CS Lewis so eloquently put it in the last battle:

You say, "but God is not bound by anything He can do as He pleases and it was shown that some will be judged y the law on their hearts". But surely God is bound by everything that He says in His Word, the Holy Bible? Therefore He cannot change what it says in the Bible, as this would be going against His own Word, Commands and Promises, which is impossible for God to do!

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Saved.By.Grace said:
You say, "but God is not bound by anything He can do as He pleases and it was shown that some will be judged y the law on their hearts". But surely God is bound by everything that He says in His Word, the Holy Bible? Therefore He cannot change what it says in the Bible, as this would be going against His own Word, Commands and Promises, which is impossible for God to do!

Is it also impossible for mankind to misunderstand what it written there? Or to misuse it? I doubt the misunderstanding is from God's side.

Forgive me...

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 4, 2017

OrthodoxyUSA said:
Is it also impossible for mankind to misunderstand what it written there? Or to misuse it? I doubt the misunderstanding is from God's side.

Forgive me...

What is the "misunderstanding"?

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Saved.By.Grace said:
What is the "misunderstanding"?

I'm asking a general question.

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Tutorman · Oct 4, 2017

Saved.By.Grace said:
You say, "but God is not bound by anything He can do as He pleases and it was shown that some will be judged y the law on their hearts". But surely God is bound by everything that He says in His Word, the Holy Bible? Therefore He cannot change what it says in the Bible, as this would be going against His own Word, Commands and Promises, which is impossible for God to do!

No God is not bound by anything, He is God. There are people in Heaven that never heard of Christ but still served God to the best of their ability

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 4, 2017

Tutorman said:
No God is not bound by anything, He is God. There are people in Heaven that never heard of Christ but still served God to the best of their ability

So God can say one thing in His Word, which is meant to be Infallible, and then ignore His OWN Word, and act against it? This is NOT the God of the Bible that you mention!

Tutorman · Oct 4, 2017

Only a protestant would say God is acting against himself.

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Can God make a rock too big for him to move?

Some questions aren't worth the paper they are written on.

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OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Saved.By.Grace said:
...which is meant to be Infallible

That is a supposition. It was never meant to be so, nor is there a biblical foundation for the thought.

Forgive me...

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 4, 2017

OrthodoxyUSA said:
That is a supposition. It was never meant to be so, nor is there a biblical foundation for the thought.

Forgive me...

so you believe that the Holy Bible has errors? Then how does one decide what is and what is not the Word of God?

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Saved.By.Grace said:
so you believe that the Holy Bible has errors? Then how does one decide what is and what is not the Word of God?

I'm not here to discourage you by killing your belief. If "it" were perfect why would there be a disagreement on it's content?

It seems strange to me that the services these texts come from are thrown out and yet the texts themselves are claimed to be perfect.

Which of the following is true?

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Act 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How would we know without a guide?

I rely heavily on The Church that Christ left us. While on the other hand, you degrade it at every turn.

Forgive me...

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

MT 10:22, 24:13, MK 13:13 He that endures to the end will be saved.
MK 16:16 He that believes and is baptized will be saved.
JN 3:5 Only he that is born of water and Spirit will be saved.
AC 16:31 He that believes on the Lord Jesus will be saved.
AC 2:21 He that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
RO 10:9 He who confesses with his mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead will be saved.
1JN 4:7 He who loves is born of God (and presumably will be saved.)

MT 10:10 Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves.
MK 6:8-9 Take sandals (shoes) and staves.

MT 28:1 The first visitors to the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (two).
MK 16:1 Both of the above plus Salome (three).
LK 23:55 - 24:1, 24:10 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women" (at least five).
JN 20:1 Mary Magdalene only (one).

MT 28:1 It was toward dawn when they arrived.
MK 16:2 It was after sunrise. (THIS ONE IS COMPLETELY WRONG)
LK 24:1 It was at early dawn. (THIS ONE IS COMPLETELY WRONG)
JN 20:1 It was still dark.
(The word they were all trying to translate here is daybreak and is at sundown for the authors not dawn.)

MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later.
MK 16:4, LK 24:2, JN 20:1 The stone had already been rolled (or taken) away.

MT 28:2 An angel arrived during an earthquake, rolled back the stone, then sat on it (outside the tomb).
MK 16:5 No earthquake, only one young man sitting inside the tomb.
LK 24:2-4 No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb.
JN 20:12 No earthquake. Two angels are sitting inside the tomb.

Forgive me...

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 4, 2017

OrthodoxyUSA said:
I'm not here to discourage you by killing your belief. If "it" were perfect why would there be a disagreement on it's content?

It seems strange to me that the services these texts come from are thrown out and yet the texts themselves are claimed to be perfect.

Which of the following is true?

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Act 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I rely heavily on The Church that Christ left us. While on the other hand, you degrade it at every turn.

Forgive me...

Both are true. Matthew is speaking about many who will "profess" to know Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord, but in reality live lives of no change, and not different to those lost in the world. There is a big difference between "knowing about Jesus Christ", and "knowing Jesus Christ". Acts is speaking about the extent of the salvation that is to found in Jesus Christ. There are some who are deceived into thinking that it is only "for the few"; whereas the Bible teaches that everyone without exception, from Adam till the last person, ALL can be saved and go to heaven, but must conform to God's commands in His Word. By believing in a "fallible" Holy Bible, there is no prospect for Truth!

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 4, 2017

OrthodoxyUSA said:
MT 10:22, 24:13, MK 13:13 He that endures to the end will be saved.
MK 16:16 He that believes and is baptized will be saved.
JN 3:5 Only he that is born of water and Spirit will be saved.
AC 16:31 He that believes on the Lord Jesus will be saved.
AC 2:21 He that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
RO 10:9 He who confesses with his mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead will be saved.
1JN 4:7 He who loves is born of God (and presumably will be saved.)

MT 10:10 Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves.
MK 6:8-9 Take sandals (shoes) and staves.

MT 28:1 The first visitors to the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (two).
MK 16:1 Both of the above plus Salome (three).
LK 23:55 - 24:1, 24:10 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women" (at least five).
JN 20:1 Mary Magdalene only (one).

MT 28:1 It was toward dawn when they arrived.
MK 16:2 It was after sunrise. (THIS ONE IS COMPLETELY WRONG)
LK 24:1 It was at early dawn. (THIS ONE IS COMPLETELY WRONG)
JN 20:1 It was still dark.
(The word they were all trying to translate here is daybreak and is at sundown for the authors not dawn.)

MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later.
MK 16:4, LK 24:2, JN 20:1 The stone had already been rolled (or taken) away.

MT 28:2 An angel arrived during an earthquake, rolled back the stone, then sat on it (outside the tomb).
MK 16:5 No earthquake, only one young man sitting inside the tomb.
LK 24:2-4 No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb.
JN 20:12 No earthquake. Two angels are sitting inside the tomb.

Forgive me...

Interesting that you left out the most important factor in being "saved", which is REPENTANCE! Jesus' first Words in His public Ministry, according to Mark's Gospel, is, "repent and believe the Gospel" (Mark 1:15).

OrthodoxyUSA · Oct 4, 2017

Saved.By.Grace said:
By believing in a "fallible" Holy Bible, there is no prospect for Truth!

That's your personal belief. BTW ~ It's not a biblical belief.

Forgive me...

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