Did Enoch walk with Christ?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Yes, it is just the question of why only on Mt. Sinai could His face not be seen?

Just so there is confusion (in what I am about to say), I want to first make it clear that Jesus is God 100% and that He always existed as God as the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity.

Now, I believe the KJV is correct in referring to Christ as the Angel of the Lord. Does this mean that Jesus was an actual created angel? No. Does this mean Jesus possessed an angel? No. What I believe the KJV meant is that Jesus took on the soulless empty shell of a body from angels. Kind of like an angel suit. Paul says there is a natural body and a spiritual body. So I believe the preincarnate appearances of Christ in the OT is that Jesus took on the soulless body of angels.

T.S.Bland · Oct 1, 2017

brinny said:
Did i miss something? How is this answering the question about God visibly walking with Enoch?

Thank you kindly.

This is your reference. I did not post anything about Micah.

brinny · Oct 1, 2017

T.S.Bland said:
I've given only two of what I believe tell of the walk and Enoch's vision.
The question is did Enoch walk with Christ...did you find a verse that says otherwise?
What say you about the two that I referred to?

What does the Bible, God's Word and our Authority, say?

Fireinfolding · Oct 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
I'm not disagreeing that the Spirit of Christ was in them. He is in me too. But to say emphatically that who Enoch walked with was invisible to him, I disagree. We are the ones who "walk" in the Spirit. When God walks, it is in bodily form. Thus Jesus walked with Enoch.

Can you highlight my argument since you quote me and seem to stick your words in my mouth?
So the Spirit of God (which was in Jesus Christ in bodily form) which was also the same Spirit in them has to be a visible Spirit (of the invisible God) because it was in them? Then you give Christ in the flesh as an example?
Were they not looking upon Jesus when he (who is the very image of THE INVISIBLE) NOT visible GOD said to them how can you say to me "SHOW US THE FATHER"? Because of the fact they looking upon Jesus Christ are not seeing the Father while gazing upon his visible flesh he took upon himself but rather when they see the express image of his person, they were looking at Jesus Christ outward flesh for the image of God that he is, but the image of God in Christ is the Father which dwelled within him, the invisible image of God according to the expressed image of his person. So using Christ as an example there would still be missing Jesus on that also.

1stcenturylady · Oct 1, 2017

brinny said:
The book of enoch is not of God. It is pseudepigraphical, a spurious and false and deceptive writing, amongst writings falsely attributed to biblical characters or times. It (the book of enoch) piques the curiosity of our human nature, just like Eve's curiosity was piqued when Satan told her in essence that God lied, and she would surely not die, but she would be "wise", just like God.

Quoting from a man of God, such as Enoch, was through word of mouth, and was preserved that way.

Word of mouth is what I said, but that it was written down eventually. If someone accurately reports Enoch's words, that doesn't make it inspired, but nonetheless true.

1stcenturylady · Oct 1, 2017

Fireinfolding said:
Can you highlight my argument since you quote me and seem to stick your words in my mouth?
So the Spirit of God (which was in Jesus Christ in bodily form) which was also the same Spirit in them has to be a visible Spirit (of the invisible God) because it was in them? Then you give Christ in the flesh as an example?
Were they not looking upon Jesus when he (who is the very image of THE INVISIBLE) NOT visible GOD said to them how can you say to me "SHOW US THE FATHER"? Because of the fact they looking upon Jesus Christ are not seeing the Father while gazing upon his visible flesh he took upon himself but rather when they see the express image of his person, they were looking at Jesus Christ outward flesh for the image of God that he is, but the image of God in Christ is the Father which dwelled within him, the invisible image of God according to the expressed image of his person. So using Christ as an example there would still be missing Jesus on that also.

Where does it say that the Spirit of Christ inside Peter was in bodily form?

1stcenturylady · Oct 1, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Just so there is confusion (in what I am about to say), I want to first make it clear that Jesus is God 100% and that He always existed as God as the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity.

Now, I believe the KJV is correct in referring to Christ as the Angel of the Lord. Does this mean that Jesus was an actual created angel? No. Does this mean Jesus possessed an angel? No. What I believe the KJV meant is that Jesus took on the soulless empty shell of a body from angels. Kind of like an angel suit. Paul says there is a natural body and a spiritual body. So I believe the preincarnate appearances of Christ in the OT is that Jesus took on the soulless body of angels.

I don't know the answer to this without a lot of research: Does it ever say that the Angel of the Lord appeared with wings? If so, then I would agree He took on the appearance of an angel. I just can't think of one instance, so I will say He took on the appearance of man, or invisibly as a burning bush.

Fireinfolding · Oct 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Where does it say that the Spirit of Christ inside Peter was in bodily form?

What are you talking about?

1stcenturylady · Oct 1, 2017

Fireinfolding said:
What are you talking about?

You wrote: "So the Spirit of God (which was in Jesus Christ in bodily form) which was also the same Spirit in them has to be a visible Spirit (of the invisible God) because it was in them?"

Fireinfolding · Oct 1, 2017

Fireinfolding said:
He would have walked after the Spirit, the same Spirit of Christ in them that is mentioned in Peter

1 Peter 1:1 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Peter speaks of the prophets beforehand with the Spirit of Christ in them

Fireinfolding · Oct 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
You wrote: "So the Spirit of God (which was in Jesus Christ in bodily form) which was also the same Spirit in them has to be a visible Spirit (of the invisible God) because it was in them?"

The fulness of the Godhead was in Jesus Christ bodily and the Spirit of Christ in the prophets is what I am asking the crazy question about after your reasoning.

brinny · Oct 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Word of mouth is what I said, but that it was written down eventually. If someone accurately reports Enoch's words, that doesn't make it inspired, but nonetheless true.

The book of enoch piques human curiosity, doesn't it? It's almost a novel and all kinds of imaginations about angels, names n' all and verges on the gnosticism and angel fascination and worship, doesn't it?

It's not that surprising, however, since Satan has always piqued human curiosity, from the very beginning. And he still does.

He's quite good at it.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." ~Romans 1:21

Praying.

Let it rain.

T.S.Bland · Oct 1, 2017

brinny said:
Unless i mi

brinny said:
What does the Bible, God's Word and our Authority, say?

I see you don't have thoughts on the scripture I've given.
I will take that as your reply.
Btw Ecclesiastes is in my Bible. You have an argumentative stance of ignorance.
God bless

brinny · Oct 1, 2017

T.S.Bland said:
I see you don't have thoughts on the scripture I've given.
I will take that as your reply.
Btw Ecclesiastes is in my Bible. You have an argumentative stance of ignorance.
God bless

Back up your opinion with Bible verses.

God's Word, the Bible is our authority, is it not? It IS after all, God's "sword", part of our spiritual armor, and surely has the authority that our "opinion" does not, amen?

Thank you kindly.

T.S.Bland · Oct 1, 2017

ECCLESIASTES 12:3-7.
That is God's word.
Just because you don't get the connection does not make it less valuable to my opinion of what it means to me.
And this is just one place I see the life of Enoch.
You have said it is not God's word?
I have repeatedly asked you what those verses mean to you and have yet to get a response.
I don't think anyone sees those verses speaking of the Trinity, Christ, Calvary, and the man that did not die or worship like other men, Enoch..but I do.

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 1, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Yes, it is just the question of why only on Mt. Sinai could His face not be seen?

God does things as He pleases, and does not owe us an explanation!

Saved.By.Grace · Oct 1, 2017

brinny said:
Are you assuming that God "visibly" walked with Enoch?

and why not?

brinny · Oct 1, 2017

T.S.Bland said:
ECCLESIASTES 12:3-7.
That is God's word.

This isn't:

You have an argumentative stance of ignorance.

Praying.

Let it rain.

disciple1 · Oct 1, 2017

T.S.Bland said:
Genesis 5:24
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Was the Image of God, Enoch walked with, Christ?

This is what I believe Enoch did.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.
Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Love covers all wrongs.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

And God is love 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 and 16
You can't walk with God and not be like him.

1stcenturylady · Oct 1, 2017

Fireinfolding said:
Peter speaks of the prophets beforehand with the Spirit of Christ in them

I am not denying that, but you said it was the visible Spirit of Christ. That would have been something to see for sure. Sort of double vision seeing two images, the prophet and the Spirit.

Did Enoch walk with Christ?

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