Divorcing because "Irreconcilable Differences"

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I didn't post this in the "Divorced" section, because I was advised that since I had never been married, that I don't qualify to post within that section, so I figured I'd go with the general singles thread...because this concerns the newly single or newly divorced or perhaps single people who are considering marriage that may end up in divorce.

We have a lot of divorces occurring these days not because of abuse, infidelity, or substance abuse, but because of "we grew apart" or "the marriage has become stale" which is kind of the same wheelhouse. I'm sure God isn't too crazy about these kinds of reasons, tossing someone away and replacing them like a new car, but it is what it is.


I was discussing breaking up with a female friend of mine, she has been single for several years, did finally meet someone though and we got to discussing how she finds it unacceptable that people break up for rather petty reasons or the ol' "we grew apart" thing. "Got bored of each other"

One day, they just got sick of looking at their spouse or their spouse becomes more of a roommate as the years go by.

I posted this article... "Why I'm Not Marriage Material"

From there she states when she was married, I'm thinking in her early 20s, and by the time they both reached their 30s, they were two completely different people, with completely changed beliefs and world outlooks.

"Irreconcilable Differences" is legalese for that.It's as if she was justifying the divorce due to that.

Then I saw this article in The Atlantic regarding how people are expecting way too much from their partners (or future partners).

There they talk about how some partners might differ in life goals...one is content in working a 9 to 5, 40 hr work week, while the other is pursing their ambitions in climbing the corporate ladder. Apparently, if they aren't aligned here, this could bode problems for the marriage, yes?

A typical comment of a marriage couple not in alignment...

"He’s a wonderful man and a loving father and I like and respect him, but I feel really stagnant in the relationship. I feel like I’m not growing and I’m not willing to stay in a marriage where I feel stagnant for the next 30 years."

Problem is, I'm probably this man. lol...but I'm not really seeing the issue here. How is he making it stagnant. Of course, that's her opinion. Why would this even be an issue?

The interview goes as far as to compare time periods in history given the reasons WHY people married. In the past, the woman was considered the nurturer, and not as aggressive...and the men of the old days were. Now, the roles have reversed or are kind of the same between the 2 sexes.

Now, expectations are different, and as a result, marriages aren't lasting because somewhere down the line, someone feels "stagnant" for whatever reason.

"There were relatively well-defined expectations for how people should behave, and in the 1960s, our society said, 'To he** with that'"

With all that said, I've always wondered if I was born in the wrong time era and probably would have preferred to have been born into the 1940s/50s.

But do you find it to be a cop out to use this as your reason for divorce?
 

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people tend to approach marriage like they approach friendships. while intuitively this would seem like a good idea, it actually isn't as the dynamics are totally different in that you don't have to live with your friends and share all of your resources and space.

you meet up with your friends, have a good time, then go back to your separate lives. you can't do that with marriage.
 
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I didn't post this in the "Divorced" section, because I was advised that since I had never been married, that I don't qualify to post within that section, so I figured I'd go with the general singles thread...because this concerns the newly single or newly divorced or perhaps single people who are considering marriage that may end up in divorce.

We have a lot of divorces occurring these days not because of abuse, infidelity, or substance abuse, but because of "we grew apart" or "the marriage has become stale" which is kind of the same wheelhouse. I'm sure God isn't too crazy about these kinds of reasons, tossing someone away and replacing them like a new car, but it is what it is.


I was discussing breaking up with a female friend of mine, she has been single for several years, did finally meet someone though and we got to discussing how she finds it unacceptable that people break up for rather petty reasons or the ol' "we grew apart" thing. "Got bored of each other"

One day, they just got sick of looking at their spouse or their spouse becomes more of a roommate as the years go by.

I posted this article... "Why I'm Not Marriage Material"

From there she states when she was married, I'm thinking in her early 20s, and by the time they both reached their 30s, they were two completely different people, with completely changed beliefs and world outlooks.

"Irreconcilable Differences" is legalese for that.It's as if she was justifying the divorce due to that.

Then I saw this article in The Atlantic regarding how people are expecting way too much from their partners (or future partners).

There they talk about how some partners might differ in life goals...one is content in working a 9 to 5, 40 hr work week, while the other is pursing their ambitions in climbing the corporate ladder. Apparently, if they aren't aligned here, this could bode problems for the marriage, yes?

A typical comment of a marriage couple not in alignment...

"He’s a wonderful man and a loving father and I like and respect him, but I feel really stagnant in the relationship. I feel like I’m not growing and I’m not willing to stay in a marriage where I feel stagnant for the next 30 years."

Problem is, I'm probably this man. lol...but I'm not really seeing the issue here. How is he making it stagnant. Of course, that's her opinion. Why would this even be an issue?

The interview goes as far as to compare time periods in history given the reasons WHY people married. In the past, the woman was considered the nurturer, and not as aggressive...and the men of the old days were. Now, the roles have reversed or are kind of the same between the 2 sexes.

Now, expectations are different, and as a result, marriages aren't lasting because somewhere down the line, someone feels "stagnant" for whatever reason.

"There were relatively well-defined expectations for how people should behave, and in the 1960s, our society said, 'To he** with that'"

With all that said, I've always wondered if I was born in the wrong time era and probably would have preferred to have been born into the 1940s/50s.

But do you find it to be a cop out to use this as your reason for divorce?
I'm not qualified to comment on this subject either. But the divorce rate, even in the church, is deeply disturbing. Commitment shouldn't be taken lightly, even when couples fall "out of love." A promise made to God should be kept and broken only on the grounds of adultery (Matthew 5:32), or death of a spouse (1 Corinthians 7:39). Unfortunately, these issues are complicated by domestic violence, financial hardships, etc. to such an extent that couples who are otherwise deeply in love contemplate divorce. Very sad indeed :(.
 
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People get married now because they think the other person "completes them" or "makes them happy". That is a problem, we shouldn't look at marriage as "what will I get out of the relationship" but rather, "what do I need to put in the relationship". It isn't about "me, me, me"...it is about loving someone else enough to want to spend the rest of your life serving them. There isn't any "I get" in a Christian wedding only "I promise to give to you".... People get divorced because they start focusing on what they think they are no longer getting and stop giving what they promised to give because of that.
 
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I'm not qualified to comment on this subject either. But the divorce rate, even in the church, is deeply disturbing. Commitment shouldn't be taken lightly, even when couples fall "out of love." A promise made to God should be kept and broken only on the grounds of adultery (Matthew 5:32), or death of a spouse (1 Corinthians 7:39). Unfortunately, these issues are complicated by domestic violence, financial hardships, etc. to such an extent that couples who are otherwise deeply in love contemplate divorce. Very sad indeed :(.

Yeah, in addition to adultery, they should tag on domestic violence and alcoholism and drug abuse. Of course there is no where in the Bible that states, "It's okay to divorce your booze-head hubby".

But this is where I sometimes one may need to use common sense and wonder if some of the rules in the Bible were written for that time period and for THAT particular group of people, exclusive to only the people of that era (but that's another thread altogether, lol).

Anyways, going back on topic, sadly, I have a Christian friend that's 60 years old, been married and divorced 3 times...no joke, the last woman he married was about 20 years younger than him...think he met her through Christian avenues. They divorced like a year later. He claimed she had serious baggage going on.

When I first started going to Christian singles groups in my late 20s, I was flabberghasted at the amount of divorcee's that attended, also in their 20s.
 
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People get married now because they think the other person "completes them" or "makes them happy". That is a problem, we shouldn't look at marriage as "what will I get out of the relationship" but rather, "what do I need to put in the relationship". It isn't about "me, me, me"...it is about loving someone else enough to want to spend the rest of your life serving them. There isn't any "I get" in a Christian wedding only "I promise to give to you".... People get divorced because they start focusing on what they think they are no longer getting and stop giving what they promised to give because of that.


Funny you mentioned this. I had a co-worker that was married a good while, she's in her 50s. Her family is in a very small community, all located with a few miles of each other. Very large family as she's a 50-something great grandma. (A lot of her kids, babies having babies if you catch my meaning, but...in their defense, they married young, lol)

Anyways, one day she said she got tired of being a wife, as she was the typical domestic type and got tired of being domestic. She did separate from her husband, moved to a diff location, but he visits her to help fix things around her place. (Yeah, that's rich, lol).

She said something like, "I'm tired of doing for others, it's time I do for MYSELF"

Which is basically admitting, "I've been putting so much into this marriage, it's time for me to be selfish"

I've heard people say this as if it was validating themselves. They did, at first follow the "what do I need to put in the relationship", but then grew weary of it...and now had gone the other extreme so much as to divorce their spouse.
 
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Yeah, in addition to adultery, they should tag on domestic violence and alcoholism and drug abuse. Of course there is no where in the Bible that states, "It's okay to divorce your booze-head hubby".

But this is where I sometimes one may need to use common sense and wonder if some of the rules in the Bible were written for that time period and for THAT particular group of people, exclusive to only the people of that era (but that's another thread altogether, lol).

Anyways, going back on topic, sadly, I have a Christian friend that's 60 years old, been married and divorced 3 times...no joke, the last woman he married was about 20 years younger than him...think he met her through Christian avenues. They divorced like a year later. He claimed she had serious baggage going on.

When I first started going to Christian singles groups in my late 20s, I was flabberghasted at the amount of divorcee's that attended, also in their 20s.
Sad indeed brother. Some progressives believe what you just described and consider alcoholism, abuse and other issues to be valid grounds for divorce. As you mentioned the biblical times may have been different. Peace in Christ :).
 
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Funny you mentioned this. I had a co-worker that was married a good while, she's in her 50s. Her family is in a very small community, all located with a few miles of each other. Very large family as she's a 50-something great grandma. (A lot of her kids, babies having babies if you catch my meaning, but...in their defense, they married young, lol)

Anyways, one day she said she got tired of being a wife, as she was the typical domestic type and got tired of being domestic. She did separate from her husband, moved to a diff location, but he visits her to help fix things around her place. (Yeah, that's rich, lol).

She said something like, "I'm tired of doing for others, it's time I do for MYSELF"

Which is basically admitting, "I've been putting so much into this marriage, it's time for me to be selfish"

I've heard people say this as if it was validating themselves. They did, at first follow the "what do I need to put in the relationship", but then grew weary of it...and now had gone the other extreme so much as to divorce their spouse.

If both people put into the marriage what they promised, then neither should feel the need to become selfish. However, too often one partner takes advantage and starts to believe that they deserve to be served instead of recognizing it is an honor given by their spouse. If both parties are in a life long competition to out love their spouse, nobody will get bored or grow apart.
 
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In Texas there is only one legal grounds for divorce, with the exception of one case ever and that was for "cruelty." For everyone else in the state you can only get divorced for "irreconcilable differences."

I believe the reason for this is because it makes the court hearings less messy. If everyone is getting divorced for the same reason, then people don't have to share the gory details in a public courtroom. The only time they get concerned with "who cheated on who" or "who was abusive" is if there is a child custody battle or people are fighting over their stuff.

From a personal perspective, what happened in a failed marriage is not everyone else's business. I'm not as sensitive about now, but at the time I felt embarrassment, shame, and a great deal of sadness over things, even though I was not the unfaithful one. It was awful to be going through that and people ask why. Instead of saying, "min ur bidniss" I could say, "irreconcilable differences" and didn't have to give them details they weren't entitled to know. So maybe if you are hearing "irreconcilable differences" a lot, that is a neat and tidy way of saying, "butt out," or "I can't talk about it, but it's not fixable."

Most of us had the irreconcilable differences of unfaithfulness, abuse (one or both parties), neglect (abandonment). Does that give an out for people who really aren't very caring and just being selfish and irresponsible? Yes, but I really believe those are few. Plus, why would we want to make people stay married if they are irresponsible and uncaring? That's only going to lead to unfaithfulness, abuse and neglect if people are forced to be something they are not. The point at which the wrong choice was made was when they got married. Forcing them to stay together isn't changing the circumstances or their hearts.
 
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I don't think that's a valid reason. A marriage is a safe space where you put one another's needs before your own and you love eachother unconditionally like Christ loves the church. If you can just decide it's too hard to love someone, that's not the safety or the depth of love marriage is made to demonstrate. Marriage isn't about convenience.
 
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I don't see why we should expect people to stay together for life. If they would be happier together, they're not going to break up, and if they would be happier apart, then that seems like a reasonable course of action.

I don't care if they justify it to me. No one owes it to me to stay married.
 
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I don't see why we should expect people to stay together for life. If they would be happier together, they're not going to break up, and if they would be happier apart, then that seems like a reasonable course of action.

I don't care if they justify it to me. No one owes it to me to stay married.

Why get married then? You are just dating if divorce is a viable way to "break up".

It is a whole lot nicer knowing that your spouse doesn't consider divorce an option and isn't shopping around or considering "upgrading" to a better model.
 
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Why get married then? You are just dating if divorce is a viable way to "break up".

It is a whole lot nicer knowing that your spouse doesn't consider divorce an option and isn't shopping around or considering "upgrading" to a better model.

Just Google "The Husband Store" and what you said demonstrates that very thing. Finding the bigger better deal.

It would be nice to find a spouse that doesn't consider divorce as an option. I wonder how common that is. Most people, usually they reach an age where they have thrown in the town and have accepted that "nothing lasts forever", marriage especially.

Sorry if this doesn't sound manly, but when I was actually reading print news in the mid-90s, I'd see these Dear Abbey "How we met stories", where the soldier form WWII meets a woman, points to her and nudges his friend and says, "That's the woman I'm going to marry!"

He approaches her, asks her to dance, 5 kids, 10 grand kids, and 50 great grand kids later, they are celebrating their 50th Golden Wedding Anniversary.

I was in my mid-20s and yearned that for myself. I was a sappy romantic back then, now I'm kind...of a romantic sappy guy...still. Gone are those days I suppose?

Made me kind of wish I was born in the 40s. Women didn't flake, dangle a carrot, nor play games back then really.
 
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Just Google "The Husband Store" and what you said demonstrates that very thing. Finding the bigger better deal.

It would be nice to find a spouse that doesn't consider divorce as an option. I wonder how common that is. Most people, usually they reach an age where they have thrown in the town and have accepted that "nothing lasts forever", marriage especially.

Sorry if this doesn't sound manly, but when I was actually reading print news in the mid-90s, I'd see these Dear Abbey "How we met stories", where the soldier form WWII meets a woman, points to her and nudges his friend and says, "That's the woman I'm going to marry!"

He approaches her, asks her to dance, 5 kids, 10 grand kids, and 50 great grand kids later, they are celebrating their 50th Golden Wedding Anniversary.

I was in my mid-20s and yearned that for myself. I was a sappy romantic back then, now I'm kind...of a romantic sappy guy...still. Gone are those days I suppose?

Made me kind of wish I was born in the 40s. Women didn't flake, dangle a carrot, nor play games back then really.

There are plenty of those stories where they didn't live happily ever after. The real story is what happens between "thats the woman I am going to marry" and the great grandchildren. It isn't a fairy tale...it is hard work and dedication to staying together even when splitting up seems easier or less hassle. You have to always remember why there was a time when you thought you couldn't live without that person and only that person.

However, I don't think you really fall in love by looking at someone....
 
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There are plenty of those stories where they didn't live happily ever after. The real story is what happens between "thats the woman I am going to marry" and the great grandchildren. It isn't a fairy tale...it is hard work and dedication to staying together even when splitting up seems easier or less hassle. You have to always remember why there was a time when you thought you couldn't live without that person and only that person.

However, I don't think you really fall in love by looking at someone....

Yeah, those "how we met" stories, may have some gaps between pt A and pt B. lol. Of course, Facebook should be proof enough when married friends tend to post pictures of themselves having a great time together. LOL (Being facetious)

"Date night with the hubby selfie!!"
 
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Yeah, those "how we met" stories, may have some gaps between pt A and pt B. lol. Of course, Facebook should be proof enough when married friends tend to post pictures of themselves having a great time together. LOL (Being facetious)

"Date night with the hubby selfie!!"

They can be real...they also can be date night to try to save our marriage because we have let it fall apart... The proof is how they are together in real life or how they talk about them when alone.
 
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