Did Jesus himself claims: "I am God, and worship me?"

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Dear Brothers and Sisters... We Christians believe in One true Living God. I am posting this thread to improve our knowledge in bible. Every muslims, Jehovah witness community, and other people who says that Jesus should not be worshipped, or some saying that He is only son of God, but not that God Himself or says that He should not be claimed as a son for God, but just a prophet. Anyway they just conclude to one question asking: Did Jesus himself say, "I am God and worship me"?.

I have answers for their ignorance. But, kindly share your opinions. We need to be very serious about this. Whether individually you are strong or not, there are many innocent christians getting converted to the wrong paths, since many believers as christians not properly answering to that exact question. We need to battle the dark forces through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus himself said that I am God and worship me?.

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He didn't use those exact words, but He did claim to be God. And, since He is God, He should be worshiped as such.

His claims to be divine were often cryptic and difficult for a modern reader to follow, but His contemporary audience did not miss what He was claiming.

It was because of these claims that they crucified Him.

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Dear Brothers and Sisters... We Christians believe in One true Living God. I am posting this thread to improve our knowledge in bible. Every muslims, Jehovah witness community, and other people who says that Jesus should not be worshipped, or some saying that He is only son of God, but not that God Himself or says that He should not be claimed as a son for God, but just a prophet. Anyway they just conclude to one question asking: Did Jesus himself say, "I am God and worship me"?.

I have answers for their ignorance. But, kindly share your opinions. We need to be very serious about this. Whether individually you are strong or not, there are many innocent christians getting converted to the wrong paths, since many believers as christians not properly answering to that exact question. We need to battle the dark forces through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus himself said that I am God and worship me?.

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I don't know what you mean by "worship," and I suspect that whatever you and everyone else means by "worship" means nothing to Jesus. It's essentially an irrelevant question.

"The multitude of your sacrifices-- what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. -- Isaiah 1

For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. -- Jeremiah 7

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.-- Hosea 6

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.-- Psalm 51

But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. --1 Samuel 15

If you love me, keep my commands. -- John 14

My point here is not to stop for a moment with that question, and don't let anyone else stop you with it. That is a diversion, a deflection from the gospel. Cornelius didn't have that worked out before he accepted Jesus.

The question is whether the person who hears the gospel accepts it, accepts Jesus as his Lord and is willing to obey Jesus. The "worship" procedures are irrelevant if the obedience is not there. If the obedience is there, the rest will come in due time. If the obedience is not there, the worship stuff is irrelevant.

RDKirk said:

I don't know what you mean by "worship," and I suspect that whatever you and everyone else means by "worship" means nothing to Jesus. It's essentially an irrelevant question.

"The multitude of your sacrifices-- what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. -- Isaiah 1

For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. -- Jeremiah 7

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.-- Hosea 6

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.-- Psalm 51

But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. --1 Samuel 15

If you love me, keep my commands. -- John 14

My point here is not to stop for a moment with that question, and don't let anyone else stop you with it. That is a diversion, a deflection from the gospel. Cornelius didn't have that worked out before he accepted Jesus.

The question is whether the person who hears the gospel accepts it, accepts Jesus as his Lord and is willing to obey Jesus. The "worship" procedures are irrelevant if the obedience is not there. If the obedience is there, the rest will come in due time. If the obedience is not there, the worship stuff is irrelevant.

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Amen to this a thousand times!

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Dear Brothers and Sisters... We Christians believe in One true Living God. I am posting this thread to improve our knowledge in bible. Every muslims, Jehovah witness community, and other people who says that Jesus should not be worshipped, or some saying that He is only son of God, but not that God Himself or says that He should not be claimed as a son for God, but just a prophet. Anyway they just conclude to one question asking: Did Jesus himself say, "I am God and worship me"?.

I have answers for their ignorance. But, kindly share your opinions. We need to be very serious about this. Whether individually you are strong or not, there are many innocent christians getting converted to the wrong paths, since many believers as christians not properly answering to that exact question. We need to battle the dark forces through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus himself said that I am God and worship me?.

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Yes, Jesus claimed to be God John 8:58 says:


"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

He also never denied worship from anyone. So your answer to these people can be "Yes, in plain black and white Jesus claimed to be the God of the Old Testament. And he openly accepted worship so he should be worshiped."

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Dear Brothers and Sisters... We Christians believe in One true Living God. I am posting this thread to improve our knowledge in bible. Every muslims, Jehovah witness community, and other people who says that Jesus should not be worshipped, or some saying that He is only son of God, but not that God Himself or says that He should not be claimed as a son for God, but just a prophet. Anyway they just conclude to one question asking: Did Jesus himself say, "I am God and worship me"?.

I have answers for their ignorance. But, kindly share your opinions. We need to be very serious about this. Whether individually you are strong or not, there are many innocent christians getting converted to the wrong paths, since many believers as christians not properly answering to that exact question. We need to battle the dark forces through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus himself said that I am God and worship me?.

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I think the closest Jesus came to actually saying I am God was this verse.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The Jews said this about Jesus, the reason they wanted Him Crucified.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The point is, what we Believe as Christians comes to us from God Himself, not by anything we have done.

God draws us to His Son, then gives to us the Faith needful to believe, it is by this gift (Grace) of God, for without Gods' Grace we can do nothing.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eph. 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Concerning the relationship between God (The Father) and Jesus.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Being separate from God, yet being God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Mat. 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

A persons coming to Jesus is only dependent upon God Himself and His drawing the person to His son, we can tell people about Jesus and what He came to accomplish, but it is God who shows mercy.

Rom. 9:15
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

The problem is, not until after a person receives Jesus do they then understand, that is why what we have is called Faith, rather than seeing and believing in what we have seen.

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Dear Brothers and Sisters... We Christians believe in One true Living God. I am posting this thread to improve our knowledge in bible. Every muslims, Jehovah witness community, and other people who says that Jesus should not be worshipped, or some saying that He is only son of God, but not that God Himself or says that He should not be claimed as a son for God, but just a prophet. Anyway they just conclude to one question asking: Did Jesus himself say, "I am God and worship me"?.

I have answers for their ignorance. But, kindly share your opinions. We need to be very serious about this. Whether individually you are strong or not, there are many innocent christians getting converted to the wrong paths, since many believers as christians not properly answering to that exact question. We need to battle the dark forces through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus himself said that I am God and worship me?.

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Jesus did accept worship and did not rebuke those who did worship Him.

Matthew 2:11: And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him.

Matthew 14:33: And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 28:9-10: And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 28:16-17: Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.

Luke 24:51: While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy

John 9:37-38: Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

Hebrews 1:6: And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Revelation 22:3: No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

And of course Thomas was not rebuked when he proclaimed Jesus as God:

John 20:28: And Thomas answered and said to him, `My Lord and my God;'

RDKirk said:

I don't know what you mean by "worship," and I suspect that whatever you and everyone else means by "worship" means nothing to Jesus. It's essentially an irrelevant question.

"The multitude of your sacrifices-- what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. -- Isaiah 1

For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. -- Jeremiah 7

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.-- Hosea 6

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.-- Psalm 51

But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. --1 Samuel 15

If you love me, keep my commands. -- John 14

My point here is not to stop for a moment with that question, and don't let anyone else stop you with it. That is a diversion, a deflection from the gospel. Cornelius didn't have that worked out before he accepted Jesus.

The question is whether the person who hears the gospel accepts it, accepts Jesus as his Lord and is willing to obey Jesus. The "worship" procedures are irrelevant if the obedience is not there. If the obedience is there, the rest will come in due time. If the obedience is not there, the worship stuff is irrelevant.

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This is tangential to the OP. The OP addresses non Christian apologetic claims Jesus never claimed to be God or to worship Him.

To properly answer such is to search for where others actually do worship Him and proclaim He is God; and are not rebuked for doing such.

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Dear Brothers and Sisters... We Christians believe in One true Living God. I am posting this thread to improve our knowledge in bible. Every muslims, Jehovah witness community, and other people who says that Jesus should not be worshipped, or some saying that He is only son of God, but not that God Himself or says that He should not be claimed as a son for God, but just a prophet. Anyway they just conclude to one question asking: Did Jesus himself say, "I am God and worship me"?.

I have answers for their ignorance. But, kindly share your opinions. We need to be very serious about this. Whether individually you are strong or not, there are many innocent christians getting converted to the wrong paths, since many believers as christians not properly answering to that exact question. We need to battle the dark forces through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus himself said that I am God and worship me?.

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There's always the easy reply of 'Why was Jesus given a sentence of capital punishment?'

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

How to quote from the words of Jesus?

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I'm not understanding what you are asking here.

I think because we are not Hebrew some of what the people in the Bible say to each other kind of goes over our heads or we don't understand completely the idioms and what the argument was over.

In John 10 he says something that sets the Jews off, "and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" I believe it's the concept of being the Son of God and him being the agent of his Father makes him equal with God.

redleghunter said:

This is tangential to the OP. The OP addresses non Christian apologetic claims Jesus never claimed to be God or to worship Him.

To properly answer such is to search for where others actually do worship Him and proclaim He is God; and are not rebuked for doing such.

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Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Good understanding. But, our innocent christians gets deviated when other so called believers of One God or muslims saying: people have to obey OT prophets words and in the same way we have to obey Jesus words as a good prophet. So that all prophets leads us to the One True God. Worship only Him, but not Jesus.

What do you feel about it brother?.

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The answer for those innocent Christians is to avoid the distraction by going for the Gospel.

Attempting to answer that question will save absolutely nobody, because nobody who asks it is right on the verge of accepting Jesus if only, oh, if only, that last question is answered.

Or you could ask them directly, "If I answer that question, will you then accept Jesus?"

Because the answer will be, "no," then the answering it is a waste of time.

The gospel itself provides all the answer anyone who is enabled by the Father to accept it.

Everything else is a distraction to prevent you from giving the gospel to the person who is enabled, because they (or some unclean spiritual force they are following) knows that it's the gospel alone that saves. Clever apologetics do not save; impeccable logic does not save. Nothing but the gospel has the power of God unto salvation.

I have a good friend (good enough that I send him $100 a month) who was a successful evangelist to Muslims in a certain Muslim nation. He is now in a different nation, still evangelizing to Muslims.

He is successful because he deliberately avoids distractions--he avoids those questions with the rote answers that unbelievers, particularly Muslims, are prepared to dispute. The Koran itself prepares them to answer rote doctrinal answers from Christians, so my friend does not dispense those rote doctrinal answers.

A Muslim comes to him privately--led by the Holy Spirit, because that's how it happens--and says, "I want to learn more about Jesus." He then goes through New Testament scripture with the man, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Then he goes through Acts and finally through Romans. This may take weeks or months, during which he does nothing but directly answer simple questions. At the end--if the Holy Spirit has caused the Muslim man to stick with it that long--my friend asks, "Do you believe what you have read?"

He reports that 100% of the Muslims who stick with that reading program with him answer, "Yes, I believe this. I want to be baptized."

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Good to know about that Ministry among muslims. May God bless his ministry abundantly.

The important perspective in seeing this issue is: we already know muslims or JW are just going to stand in their doctrinal point in argument, but our fellow innocent christians should not become prey for their wrong teachings. Its happening in India and also in other regions of the world. It should be cleared within us, especially weak believers need our support in knowing the Truth.

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So that goes to something I've said and thought before. Apologetics is useful for the new or weak believer; the gospel useful is for the Father-enabled unbeliever.

Anand Prabhu Antony said:

Those muslims question us like this: Don't quote as Paul said it, or some followers of Jesus said that He is God and Son of God.
Do Jesus himself quote those words about His claim that He is God and worship me?.
I think I am clear now. I have some relevant quotes, but here want to have a good discussion with my fellow christian brothers and sisters. I feel today innocent christians are prey to them, that's why posted this thread.

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May I ask where you (what country) are questioning Muslims?

RDKirk said:

The answer for those innocent Christians is to avoid the distraction by going for the Gospel.

Attempting to answer that question will save absolutely nobody, because nobody who asks it is right on the verge of accepting Jesus if only, oh, if only, that last question is answered.

Or you could ask them directly, "If I answer that question, will you then accept Jesus?"

Because the answer will be, "no," then the answering it is a waste of time.

The gospel itself provides all the answer anyone who is enabled by the Father to accept it.

Everything else is a distraction to prevent you from giving the gospel to the person who is enabled, because they (or some unclean spiritual force they are following) knows that it's the gospel alone that saves. Clever apologetics do not save; impeccable logic does not save. Nothing but the gospel has the power of God unto salvation.

I have a good friend (good enough that I send him $100 a month) who was a successful evangelist to Muslims in a certain Muslim nation. He is now in a different nation, still evangelizing to Muslims.

He is successful because he deliberately avoids distractions--he avoids those questions with the rote answers that unbelievers, particularly Muslims, are prepared to dispute. The Koran itself prepares them to answer rote doctrinal answers from Christians, so my friend does not dispense those rote doctrinal answers.

A Muslim comes to him privately--led by the Holy Spirit, because that's how it happens--and says, "I want to learn more about Jesus." He then goes through New Testament scripture with the man, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Then he goes through Acts and finally through Romans. This may take weeks or months, during which he does nothing but directly answer simple questions. At the end--if the Holy Spirit has caused the Muslim man to stick with it that long--my friend asks, "Do you believe what you have read?"

He reports that 100% of the Muslims who stick with that reading program with him answer, "Yes, I believe this. I want to be baptized."

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Ok I see where you are coming from.