Is belief that Jesus is YHWH necessary for salvation?

jaybird88 said:

u think Mt 28 19 may have been edited as well?

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There is no indication in any Bible that I own that Matthew 28:19 was added, or was missing from any early manuscript. No mention of that whatsoever. We can accept it as authentic.

jaybird88 said:

strange the trinity formula is only in the bible twice, one short of three witnesses, and both times there are so much controversy.

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There's no controversy to Matthew 28:19.

And there are many verses which support the Trinity.

Yanni depp said:

Ok thank you. I always just associated it with the Father and Yeshua with the Son, and i thought that was that. Happy Birthday, hope its a good one

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Thanks

If there is one God, and all three Persons are God, then all three Persons have to be YHWH. He has to be triune.

jaybird88 said:

is there another place where the three persons are all mentioned in one sentence as one?
also strange the bible always says "He" (the Most High) is one and never "they" are one. three persons would be they and not He. he is singular.

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There is only one God. There is a unity within Him -- there are three Persons who are Him. However, since He is one God, we never refer to Him as "They," or "Them," or any other plural pronoun...unless we are specifically talking about more than one Person.

When we worship God, we do not say, "Let's worship Them." We don't call Him "Gods."

I don't know if that makes sense to you or not.

AlexDTX said:

Thank you. However I disagree. The distinction is artificial and contrived. God is a title. It means the Ultimate Good. He is one person in three persons. If you think about it, person is the root of personality. The one personality of God are the three subordinate personalities of the Godhead. The Spirit only says what the Word says, and the Word only says what the Father says.

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OK. We will have to disagree on this then. I won't fight you on this point any further. You do believe that there are three Persons, that each is God, and that there is only one God.

You just have labeled these differently (in an unorthodox way), but I think you support the underlying theology behind the Trinity.

Monk Brendan said:

When Moses asked God in the burning bush, "Who shall I say you are?" God said, "I AM." Jesus, in answering the question said, "before Abraham was, I AM." God, operating outside of time always IS. There is no past or future with eternity. Everything is always the present.

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Thanks for posting. I can agree with you on this.

Neogaia777 said:

I'll try to explain anyway... In short, God, the three persons of God, and all the Holy angels are "one" essentially, they are all "Elohim" all parts of the Body of Elohim or the Lord, or YHWH... The good angels are "extensions" of God... And there are no words in them, that are not God's words, they being messengers for or of him... They do not speak anything or do anything at all outside of God's will at all, ever...

God Bless!

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What about Hebrews 1 in which the Son is contrasted with the angels, and where passages from the OT are used to show that Jesus is YHWH, and the angels clearly are not? In fact, all the angels are told to worship the Son?

Hebrews 1:5-14 (NASB)
For to which of the angels did He ever say,
"You are My Son, today I have begotten You"?
And again, I will be a Father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me"?
And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
"And let all the angels of God worship Him."
And of the angels He says,
"Who makes His angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire."

But of the Son He says,
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the gladness above your companions."

And, "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands; they will perish, but You remain; and they all will become old like a garment, and like a mantle You will roll them up; like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, and Your years will not come to an end."

But to which of the angels has He ever said, "Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet"?

Are not all ministering spirits sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation.

(I had a friend look at Psalm 102:25 in the Septuagint, which ended up being Psalm 101:26 because the Septuagint has different numbering for the Psalms than in our Bibles to check "Lord" there, since the OT passage doesn't have "Lord there....and he gave me a response that I'm willing to post, if people are interested.)



Or what about Colossians 1:15-17 where it says that Jesus created all things -- both visible and invisible.

Colossians 1:15-17 (NASB)
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn from all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

John 1:1-3 (NASB)
In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.