You Must Give 10% of Your Gross Income to the Church?

woobadooba said:

You appear to be contradicting yourself: In one place you agree that "tithe" is 10% and in another you say "tithe can be any amount."

If you say, "You must tithe to the church," you are not telling a person he or she can give any amount; you are saying it must be 10% of something (a set amount). But if you say, "Give an offering to the church," you are leaving it up to the person to give whatever he or she desires. The manner in which you have been using the word "tithe" is not correct.

It would be better to use the word "offering," instead.

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When i was addressing the tithe, i said 10% a few pages ago. Then we began talking about NT and the offering baskets, in which case people offer what they choose to. For some reason, you and others have got in their head that the OT is no longer relevant. This is not true. the NT is not a replacement for the OT, both together are one Testament, the testament of Adam H.E and his children. You cannot choose the NT over the old and old over the new, for both the NT and the OT testify of GOD.

And GOD is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Newlyrestoredgospel777 said:

When i was addressing the tithe, i said 10% a few pages ago. Then we began talking about NT and the offering baskets, in which case people offer what they choose to. For some reason, you and others have got in their head that the OT is no longer relevant. This is not true. the NT is not a replacement for the OT, both together are one Testament, the testament of Adam H.E and his children. You cannot choose the NT over the old and old over the new, for both the NT and the OT testify of GOD.

And GOD is the same yesterday, today and forever.

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If you mix water and dirt, you get mud........

Luke 5:
37 "And no one is casting Young/neon <3501> Wine into Old skins, if yet no surely shall be ruined the young/neoV <3501> Wine of the skins,
and it shall be being poured-out and its skin shall be perishing.
38 but Young/neon <3501> Wine into New/kainouV <2537> skins is to be cast, and both are preserved together.
39 and no one drinking Old immediately is willing Young, for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'".

Hebrews 8:13
in the to be saying `New/kainhn <2537>,' He hath made Old the first.
The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance


2 Corin 3:14
But their minds were hardened:
for until this day remains the same veil not taken away in the reading of the old testament;
which veil is done away in Christ.

Reve 1:1
An un-veiling of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass in swiftness.............

Did Christ come to establish a New or Renewed Covenant with Israel?
Did Christ come to establish a New or Renewed Covenant with Israel?

RDKirk said:

Ten percent was not a good number to Paul. He called for equality.

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Really? Where did Paul say that rich Christians are to give the same as widows and orphans?

Open Heart said:

Really? Where did Paul say that rich Christians are to give the same as widows and orphans?

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What Paul said is that the wealthy should give to the poor until all are equal.

Until all are equally poor? Then where would there any longer be provision for those truly in need? Ah, yes.. the government. The entity that is allowed to violate the 8th commandment and steal from its citizens at the point of a gun. That isn't an exaggeration. If one doesn't pay their taxes to the government, they can expect government employees with guns to show up.

Giving should be done with a good heart. It is the only way it is acceptable to the Lord. Each person must decide what that amount of money, property, etc that entails.

And only livestock, grain, etc? Not hardly. In Acts, you had people selling all they owned and giving the proceeds to the congregation and the apostles. But there is no mandate that it must be done. It wasn't that Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11) were in deep trouble for not giving the entire proceeds from the sale of their property to the Lord, it was that they held back some of it after they had said it was the all the money they got from that property. They lied to the Holy Spirit, that is what got them in trouble.

Me personally, I have found that whatever I give with the desire to serve the Lord, He always seem to make it so that I always have what I need. Not what I may want, but what I need. I was motivated by a true story of a guy that would increase his giving and the Lord always made up for what he gave. He gradually got to where he was giving around 90% of what he made, and still was living at the same level he did when he was giving just 10%. Every time he increased his level of giving, his financial situation improved to make up for it. It is to the point where he has paid enough to establish many medical facilities for missions work in many countries and heavily supported missions work.

Not saying in any way that this will be the same with anyone else, including myself, but I have found it to be somewhat true in my life. Once I started making a commitment of faithfulness to give at a certain level, I have found the Lord has made it so that my financial situation has not suffered because of it. I am now needing to consider to making a larger commitment of giving out of faithfulness. Not for what I gain, but that the Lord will always meet my needs as I grow in my giving back to Him. Trusting in His provision. Each person must evaluate their relationship with the Lord and come to their own determination what level they should be giving back. Not out of some legalistic observance thing, but cheerfully giving out of loyalty and faithfulness to the Lord.

I loathe those that put some sort of guilt trip in people about giving, especially with ulterior motives of lining their own pockets or expanding their religious empires.

RDKirk said:

What Paul said is that the wealthy should give to the poor until all are equal.

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That was true at first. It didn't stay that way.

Open Heart said:

That was true at first. It didn't stay that way.

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I was looking for the verse where Jesus or Paul said, "If what I'm telling you doesn't seem to work, do it any way you want," and I couldn't find it.

RDKirk said:

What Paul said is that the wealthy should give to the poor until all are equal.

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Aren't they already all equal before the Lord? Neither Jew or Gentile, neither rich nor poor, neither slave or free, neither male or female, etc?

RDKirk said:

I was looking for the verse where Jesus or Paul said, "If what I'm telling you doesn't seem to work, do it any way you want," and I couldn't find it.

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There are things which changed. For example, the Church began by keeping a sixth day Sabbath, but this changed to keeping a first day Lord's Day.

Open Heart said:

There are things which changed. For example, the Church began by keeping a sixth day Sabbath, but this changed to keeping a first day Lord's Day.

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Actually, based on many passages in the NT, I am convinced the early church kept a Saturday evening assembly practice.

The first of the week starts in the evening of the Sabbath day. The meal is called the Havdolah (closing if the Sabbath) and has been commonly called, even in Jewish circles, “the Lord’s Supper”.

Collection money could not be done on the Sabbath without violating it. Paul stated collections should be done on first of the week.

Acts 20 we see this.

Copperhead said:

Actually, based on many passages in the NT, I am convinced the early church kept a Saturday evening assembly practice.

The first of the week starts in the evening of the Sabbath day. The meal is called the Havdolah (closing if the Sabbath) and has been commonly called, even in Jewish circles, “the Lord’s Supper”.

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Jewish days begin at Sundown. Saturday evening is the beginning of the first day. Havdolah celebrates the return of the workweek.

To the Church, this first day of the week, the day Christ arose, was the Lord's Day.

Shabbat evening, or Erev Shabbat, is Friday night, which is why Synagogues hold prayer services then, aka Kabbalat Shabbat.

I never understood why Sunday is celebrated as the holy day either until I read something about that they will abandon my sabbats and fornicate on them...then I finally got it. What are many people usually doing on saturdays...fornicating under every tree...going on rockconcerts, worshiping idols, going to the pub, shopping clothes, going out for dinners, having a spa, doing some training, watching sports, going to the cinema, entertaining any cultural event, anything except church. Then on Sunday it is their christian day accepting Christs atonement for the sins for the rest of the week. This gets me thinking...what if we started reading the bible on saturdays and stayed home cleaning our homes from all junk n sundays, maybe our lives would be a lot lighter.