Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament?

Baby Cottontail · Sep 28, 2017

mkgal1 said:
I've been thinking of doing the same thing. I think I will since you two are discussing it now. It's okay to post it in this forum......right (controversial)?

I assume so -- although maybe check with a staff member? I assume that this would be considered controversial because some people are going to say "yes, belief that Jesus is YHWH is necessary for salvation," and others will say, "no, believing that Jesus is YHWH is not necessary for salvation."

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

mkgal1 said:
I've been thinking of doing the same thing. I think I will since you two are discussing it now. It's okay to post it in this forum......right (controversial)?

Good idea! Yes, It's okay to post here in controversial. Can you please link to the thread here when you've posted it?

Baby Cottontail · Sep 28, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Good idea! Yes, It's okay to post here in controversial. Can you please link to the thread here when you've posted it?

Or did you want me to post the thread because I brought up the subject?

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

Baby Cottontail said:
I edited my previous post to include this:
I do fully hold to Romans 10:8-13 (NASB)
But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" --that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed."

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for "whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved."

It should be noted here that Paul is quoting a passage from the OT that uses LORD, meaning YHWH.

Now....Jesus is YHWH, whether or not someone believes that He is. And was Jesus thinking in John 8:24 that there would be a possibility of someone trusting in Him without also believing He was YHWH? I don't know. I can't answer that. Only God knows for sure.

You're right, this is another topic, and it would be interesting to see what people had to say here.

(These are more verses that show that Jesus is YHWH, by the way -- John 8:24, Romans 10:8-13, and Joel 2:32.)

Paul also says a few verses after that "All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Which is why I believe that everyone who comes to Jesus for salvation would be saved. Catholics, Calvanists ..etc. Now whether Mormons or JW's are saved, I don't know. That would be a good question. You're right that Jesus did say that unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins. So maybe you are right that no, they're not saved. I just don't know. Only God does.

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

Baby Cottontail said:
Or did you want me to post the thread because I brought up the subject?

No, It's okay mkgal can post the thread. I cannot hog all of the Featured threads. My threads are on the first four pages and I have a feeling the salvation thread would get a lot of replies

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mkgal1 · Sep 28, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Good idea! Yes, It's okay to post here in controversial. Can you please link to the thread here when you've posted it?

Here you go: What are your beliefs about what salvation actually is?

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

mkgal1 said:
Here you go: What are your beliefs about what salvation actually is?

Thanks! Posting in it now.

Baby Cottontail · Sep 28, 2017

mkgal1 said:
Here you go: What are your beliefs about what salvation actually is?

Your topic is a bit more broad than mine. Would you mind if I posted a different thread that is more specific to our discussion here? I don't want to compete with you, but my topic is a bit different from just a general question about what salvation is.....I feel like my topic would be off topic from yours.

I can wait a bit before starting my thread, if you wish?

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

Baby Cottontail said:
Your topic is a bit more broad than mine. Would you mind if I posted a different thread that is more specific to our discussion here? I don't want to compete with you, but my topic is a bit different from just a general question about what salvation is.....I feel like my topic would be off topic from yours.

I can wait a bit before starting my thread, if you wish?

You're welcome to make a thread too.

klutedavid · Sep 28, 2017

Butch5 said:
The Father is the God of the Old Testament. Jesus is the one who is called the Angle of the Lord.

Hello Butch.

In the Old Testament the Hebrew word, malak, is translated as angel, when malak in the Hebrew actually means messenger, i.e., someone who is sent by a king or God. When the Old Testament refers to 'the angel of the Lord', I read that as the messenger of the Lord. To use the English word, 'angel', in the translation of the Hebrew, forces the text to say something the text is not saying.

There are passages in the Old Testament where the messenger of the Lord appears to people. When this messenger appears to people the ground the messenger is standing on becomes holy. Also, the messenger speaks in the first person as God Himself. The people that see this messenger claim that they have seen God Himself.

There are many folk that believe the messenger of the Lord is the Word, and the Word of course is God.

Baby Cottontail · Sep 28, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
You're welcome to make a thread too.

K, will do

klutedavid · Sep 28, 2017

SBC said:
Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament?

Yes.

God Bless,
SBC

The One walking and talking in the garden of Eden was none other than the Word (Jesus).

klutedavid · Sep 28, 2017

Hello Everyone.

Who is this person below seen by Daniel the prophet?

Daniel 10:5-6
I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of Uphaz. 6 His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

klutedavid said:
Hello Everyone.

Who is this person below seen by Daniel the prophet?

Daniel 10:5-6
I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of Uphaz. 6 His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

Jesus of course.

klutedavid · Sep 28, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Jesus of course.

Hello mmbattlestar.

Is that certain man in Daniel's vision the same man described below.

Ezekiel 1:26-28
26 Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. 27 Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

klutedavid said:
Hello mmbattlestar.

Is that certain man in Daniel's vision the same man described below.

Ezekiel 1:26-28
26 Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. 27 Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

I believe so, yes.

klutedavid · Sep 28, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
I believe so, yes.

Hello mmbattlestar.

Once again, is the man below the same man as in Daniel and Ezekiel?

Revelations 1:13-15
And in the middle of the lamp stands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

Neostarwcc · Sep 28, 2017

klutedavid said:
Hello mmbattlestar.

Once again, is the man below the same man as in Daniel and Ezekiel?

Revelations 1:13-15
And in the middle of the lamp stands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

I said yes. It was Jesus.

klutedavid · Sep 28, 2017

Baby Cottontail said:
I assume so -- although maybe check with a staff member? I assume that this would be considered controversial because some people are going to say "yes, belief that Jesus is YHWH is necessary for salvation," and others will say, "no, believing that Jesus is YHWH is not necessary for salvation."

Hello BC.

You must believe in the death and resurrection of the Christ to be saved.

The exact identity of the messiah is not as crucial.

Christians believe in the name of Jesus the messiah to be forgiven and saved.

dreadnought · Sep 28, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
I believe he was, and is the God Yahweh, and the God from Genesis and all of the other OT. Why? Several reasons. For one, scripture says so. John 1:1-3, John 1:18, John 5:37, John 6:46 states:

John 1:1-3,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:18,

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

John 5:37,

"And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,"

John 6:46,

"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."

So we learn from these four verses that Jesus is God, who was always with God the Father, and he created everything we see along with the Father. We also learn that nobody has ever seen God except for Jesus. Even Jesus himself states that nobody has seen God the Father but him. But wait! Adam and Eve saw God! Isaiah saw God! Ezekiel saw God! Countless people of the OT saw God! So, either Jesus is lying or Jesus is stating that he is the mighty Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament that created the heavens and the Earth and all we see around us. The Jews knew what Jesus was saying when he stated these things along with when he said in John 8:58:

John 8:58,

"Before Abraham was born, I am!"

To which the Jews tried to stone him for because God called himself "I am" in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14

"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

So what do you think? Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament? Or was Jesus just plain a God along with the Father and God the Father is the God of the OT? Tell me what you think. I'm curious.

I believe Jesus was God in flesh, so that would make him God of the Old Testament.

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