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What does it mean to be "begotten"...?
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In a sense it means to be born or sired, to be originated. "Bob beget Frank" means Bob sired Frank, Frank is the son of Bob.
In reference to Christ as the only-begotten of the Father, Christian theology is fairly clear: The Father is Christ's Origin, the Son has His origin, in and from the Father. The Father has "giving birth" to the Son; but this is not like we normally think of birth or origination; we say the Son is "eternally generated", or in the language of the Nicene Creed, He is "begotten before all ages", which is further clarified by saying "begotten, not made" and in the original 325 Symbol arguing that there was never a time when the Son was not. The Son is homoousios with the Father, of the Father's own being; "God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God"--the Son did not come into being, the Son always is, because He is true and actual God even as the Father is true and actual God. The Son has an eternal Origin, and this mystery of the relationship between the Father and the Son is outside of time.
Its use in reference to the relationship of Father and Son is by way of analogy to human procreation, but they are not identical. God is not a Father in the way that human beings or other creatures are fathers; the generation of the Son from the Father is not the same thing or in the same way that creatures give birth and produce offspring. It happens eternally, outside of time, in God's own Eternal and Uncreated Being--the Father never became Father, but has always been Father because He has always had a Son, who is His Same Essence and Being. One God, undivided, inseparate.
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In reference to Christ as the only-begotten of the Father, Christian theology is fairly clear: The Father is Christ's Origin, the Son has His origin, in and from the Father. The Father has "giving birth" to the Son; but this is not like we normally think of birth or origination; we say the Son is "eternally generated", or in the language of the Nicene Creed, He is "begotten before all ages", which is further clarified by saying "begotten, not made" and in the original 325 Symbol arguing that there was never a time when the Son was not. The Son is homoousios with the Father, of the Father's own being; "God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God"--the Son did not come into being, the Son always is, because He is true and actual God even as the Father is true and actual God. The Son has an eternal Origin, and this mystery of the relationship between the Father and the Son is outside of time.
Its use in reference to the relationship of Father and Son is by way of analogy to human procreation, but they are not identical. God is not a Father in the way that human beings or other creatures are fathers; the generation of the Son from the Father is not the same thing or in the same way that creatures give birth and produce offspring. It happens eternally, outside of time, in God's own Eternal and Uncreated Being--the Father never became Father, but has always been Father because He has always had a Son, who is His Same Essence and Being. One God, undivided, inseparate.
-CryptoLutheran
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I believe it means in Bible this:
The angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the holy one who is born from you will be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:35
That is the reason why Jesus is the only begotten son of God. According to the OT God has many sons, but Jesus is the only begotten son.
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The only one "sired" or taught by God, from God, with no intercessor, or no one in-between, whereas, all the others do or are sired by intercessors and not God himself...?
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OP: Q: " What does it mean to be (THE ONLY) "begotten"...?
The "only BEGOTTEN": meanings in Hebrew and Greek.
Psalm 2:7 (ALL NASB)
“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD:
He said to Me, "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You."
I have begotten...Hebrew 3205...yalad...I.to bear, BRING FORTH, beget, gender, travail
John 1:14, 18...[The Word (LOGOS) Made Flesh ]
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us,
and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten FROM the Father, full of grace and truth...
No one has seen God (THE FATHER) at any time;
the only begotten God (THE SON) who is in the bosom of the Father, He (Jesus) has explained Him.(Father)
John 3:16, 18
“For God so loved the world, that He GAVE His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish (be eternally separated), but have eternal (spiritual) life...
He who believes in Him is not judged;
he who does not believe has been judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1 John 4:9
By this the love of God was manifested in us,
that God has SENT His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live THROUGH Him.
the only begotten...GREEK 3439...monogenēs...
I.single of its kind, only (UNIQUE, EPITOME)
A.used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
B.used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
The "only BEGOTTEN": meanings in Hebrew and Greek.
Psalm 2:7 (ALL NASB)
“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD:
He said to Me, "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You."
I have begotten...Hebrew 3205...yalad...I.to bear, BRING FORTH, beget, gender, travail
John 1:14, 18...[The Word (LOGOS) Made Flesh ]
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us,
and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten FROM the Father, full of grace and truth...
No one has seen God (THE FATHER) at any time;
the only begotten God (THE SON) who is in the bosom of the Father, He (Jesus) has explained Him.(Father)
John 3:16, 18
“For God so loved the world, that He GAVE His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish (be eternally separated), but have eternal (spiritual) life...
He who believes in Him is not judged;
he who does not believe has been judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1 John 4:9
By this the love of God was manifested in us,
that God has SENT His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live THROUGH Him.
the only begotten...GREEK 3439...monogenēs...
I.single of its kind, only (UNIQUE, EPITOME)
A.used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
B.used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
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Sha'ul, or Paul, referenced this verse when preaching about God raising the Messiah from the dead.
Maybe when he was resurrected he was begotten. I've thought that he was begotten before the earth was created, but I'm starting to wonder. I still think he existed before the earth was created, but not sure if he was begotten at that point
Maybe when he was resurrected he was begotten. I've thought that he was begotten before the earth was created, but I'm starting to wonder. I still think he existed before the earth was created, but not sure if he was begotten at that point
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Jesus as only-begotten of the Father is very different than we as the begotten sons and daughters of our biological parents.
In the same way that God is a King, but is very different than all human authority figures, leaders, etc.
We are speaking analogically when we speak of God as King, or when we speak of the relationship between Father and Son.
When we call Jesus the only-begotten Son speak of the unique relationship He has to the Father. Which is understood, via the Nicene Creed, to be of His eternal generation from the Father, as God of God.
We do not mean that Jesus was procreated by God the Father in a biological sense (the way humans, dogs, or cats are); we mean that Jesus has His Source and Origin in the Father, uniquely, as the eternal and uncreated Word.
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There is begotten and there is creation. Begotten is to sire of oneself, creation is to bring into existence.
Man was created. But we are begotten (sons of God) by the Holy Spirit. We were united to God in Eden by spirit. But could not become sons of God till our brother showed us our Father (glorifying him) and receiving the Chrism (Holy Spirit).
Gospel of Philip:
If the sons of Adam are many, although they die, how much more the sons of the perfect man, they who do not die but are always begotten. The father makes a son, and the son has not the power to make a son. For he who has been begotten has not the power to beget, but the son gets brothers for himself, not sons. All who are begotten in the world are begotten in a natural way, and the others are nourished from the place whence they have been born.
Gospel of Philip:
Through the Holy Spirit we are indeed begotten again, but we are begotten through Christ in the two. We are anointed through the Spirit. When we were begotten, we were united. None can see himself either in water or in a mirror without light. Nor again can you see in light without mirror or water. For this reason, it is fitting to baptize in the two, in the light and the water. Now the light is the chrism.
Through spirit we are begotten of the Father. Until then, we are a creation of another.
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Where is it babel? We are sons of the Father, not the son. Unless you somehow see that Trinity thing.
Matthew:
Then Simon Peter answered, and said, Thou art that Christ, the son of the living God.
Romans:
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
What would Jesus gain by begetting (fathering) anything. He is a son, not a father.
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Psalm 2:7 was written to David and may allude to Christ. The word translated "begotten" in Psa 2:7 is ילד and it does not always mean "to beget."
Zep 2:2
(2) Before the decree bring forth, [ילד] before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Job 38:29
(29) Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? [ילד]
Job 15:35
(35) They conceive mischief, and bring forth[ילד] vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit.
Num 1:18
(18) And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees [ילד] after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.
Pro 27:1
(1) Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.[ילד]
Psa 90:2
(2) Before the mountains were brought forth,[ילד] or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psa 7:14
(14) Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth [ילד] falsehood.
Job 39:2
(2) Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?[ילד]
The word translated "only begotten" in John 1:18 μονογενής does not mean "only begotten." The root word is γίνομαι . It occurs 636 times in the NT and is never translated as any form of beget. The better translation of monogenes is "unique."(2) Before the decree bring forth, [ילד] before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Job 38:29
(29) Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? [ילד]
Job 15:35
(35) They conceive mischief, and bring forth[ילד] vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit.
Num 1:18
(18) And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees [ילד] after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.
Pro 27:1
(1) Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.[ילד]
Psa 90:2
(2) Before the mountains were brought forth,[ילד] or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psa 7:14
(14) Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth [ילד] falsehood.
Job 39:2
(2) Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?[ילד]
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Think about what you said, it goes against the natural order of things:
"The father makes a son, but the son does not have power to make a son."
Man was created in God's image and the Earthly creation is a shadow of the heavenly.
1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
I see your into the gnostic books, and I imagine I could even have people call me gnostic, but I keep inside the mainline scriptures, for there is ample information there. Gnosticism is all hype and does not edify the truth, but indulges on what it thinks is wisdom, but really is noda.
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Begotten is a "thing" that is revealed coming forth, from where it originated.
The one who is called it who "begets" the thing, is always referenced as "he".
Jesus was revealed on earth. He came forth out from He, ie God in heaven.
Once Jesus came forth out from He, ie God in heaven. Where Jesus "went" forth to, was a virgin woman's womb.
Mankind first saw Jesus, when He came forth from a woman's womb, which made Jesus' revealing "to mankind", according to the law of nature.
Jesus was IN God, IN Heaven.
From IN God, Jesus proceeded forth, out from God.
Where Jesus' proceeded TO, was a virgin woman's womb.
According to the law of nature, Jesus was in the woman's womb 9 months.
According to the law of nature, Jesus came forth out from the virgin woman's womb.
John 8
[42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 16
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Luke 1
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Begotten, is what a son, of a he, is called.
Begotten, does not refer to sons, of females.
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The difference of flesh and spirit is evading you. You see son of Man, not son of God.
There is a reason people do not understand what gnosis teaches. They live in parables (flesh stories of spiritual truth). Mystery appears 23 times in the NT, not once in the OT.
Mark:
And he said unto them, To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all things be done in parables,
Gnosis is not written in parables. It is a further understanding of those who were taught spiritual truth from the Spirit. It was taught by Paul who did everything and learned everything by the Spirit. It's not a religion. It is a path.
Calling me anything doesn't matter. Names from the world doesn't phase me because I could care less. Just as Christ who was called the devil, and Paul the same, by the Jews. Gnosis glorifies the Gospel while refuting the Jews and their ignorance (that killed Christ). That's all. Orthodoxy is power on Earth. Gnosis is understanding in spirit. It's up to each to choose what path they believe is for them.
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