Who Is Jesus?

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Its plain as the nose on our face. The Lords is the spirit.

Liberty. Praise the Lord.

2 Corinthians 3:17New King James Version (NKJV)
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
When the NT speaks about "the Spirit" it is almost always a reference to the Holy Spirit.

See John 14:16-17
John 14:26
John 15:26-27
John 16:5-15
1 Corinthians 12:3-13

as examples.
 
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You got it.

I believe that YHWH is the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

Yet, in this verse YHWH is clearly one God. There is a unity of the Persons.

Now...Isaiah 43:13 (NASB)
Even from eternity I am He, and there is none who can deliver out of my hand; I act and who can reverse it?"

How do you understand this verse?

(Respond when your nap is done, and you have the time. Please don't feel rushed. This forum is always here for us to pick up the discussion at any time.)
Well, I agree that "in this verse YHWH is clearly one God." However, just because there is unity doesn't mean there is just one. I might be in agreement with my brother, but there are still two of us.

As for Isaiah 43:13, I glanced at the entire chapter. The Lord is switching back and forth between first person and third person. It is me like telling you, "You've heard that someone hit two home runs against Grinnell College in 1972. Well, it was me!"
 
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Well, I agree that "in this verse YHWH is clearly one God." However, just because there is unity doesn't mean there is just one. I might be in agreement with my brother, but there are still two of us.

As for Isaiah 43:13, I glanced at the entire chapter. The Lord is switching back and forth between first person and third person. It is me like telling you, "You've heard that someone hit two home runs against Grinnell College in 1972. Well, it was me!"
That's where the verse you earlier posted comes into play...

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Jesus is affirming that He and the Father are both YHWH, the one and only God. They are the same being, though different Persons.

As such, there is a unity that exists between the Father and Son...such that it would be different from you and your brother being in agreement about something. You and your brother are two different persons AND beings. This is not the case with the Father and Jesus.

Does that make sense?
 
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Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
 
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That's where the verse you earlier posted comes into play...

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Jesus is affirming that He and the Father are both YHWH, the one and only God. They are the same being, though different Persons.

As such, there is a unity that exists between the Father and Son...such that it would be different from you and your brother being in agreement about something. You and your brother are two different persons AND beings. This is not the case with the Father and Jesus.

Does that make sense?
I believe God became a human being for at least two reasons. One of those reasons was to set an example for us. Therefore, he did not call himself God. Instead, he prayed to God to show us how to pray to God, and showed us, by example, how to conduct ourselves on earth.
 
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I believe God became a human being for at least two reasons. One of those reasons was to set an example for us. Therefore, he did not call himself God. Instead, he prayed to God to show us how to pray to God, and showed us, by example, how to conduct ourselves on earth.
John 10 isn't a prayer. Jesus is discussing who He is in relation to the Father to some fellow Jews.
 
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I believe God became a human being for at least two reasons. One of those reasons was to set an example for us. Therefore, he did not call himself God. Instead, he prayed to God to show us how to pray to God, and showed us, by example, how to conduct ourselves on earth.
Could be.
 
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I believe God became a human being for at least two reasons. One of those reasons was to set an example for us. Therefore, he did not call himself God. Instead, he prayed to God to show us how to pray to God, and showed us, by example, how to conduct ourselves on earth.
How do you explain John 14:28 (NASB):
You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
 
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Yet Jesus says that He will ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit. How can Jesus be the Holy Spirit?
So you are questioning the words of Paul? (just wondering)

Jesus also said that He and the Father would live inside us. Why then do we need the Spirit, if God is already inside us?
 
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So you are questioning the words of Paul? (just wondering)

Jesus also said that He and the Father would live inside us. Why then do we need the Spirit, if God is already inside us?
I am not questioning Paul at all.

I said earlier that the Holy Spirit is called Lord there. I also quoted part of the Athanasian creed which acknowledges that the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord.

The Holy Spirit is God in that He is YHWH.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God, YHWH. There is a unity. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are so united because they are the one God.

The Holy Spirit is the empowering Person of the Deity. He is who Jesus promised to us. He makes us holy. He regenerates us.
 
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