Since animals and man ate plants in Genesis 1, how does that fit theistic evolution?

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eating plants is more consistent with no death before the fall

Humans need to eat and drink and if they don't they'll die. This early dependence upon food, albeit plants, seems to suggest they needed food to survive.
 
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Cuspids are useless for chewing plants.

... returning to an 'ancient' post in this thread...

Cuspids may be"useless for chewing plants" but I have found them highly useful breaking through some plants' hard outer surface - much more effective to use a pointed tooth than a flat incisor. But perhaps you have never experienced such fruit and vegetables.
 
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But I have another angle on the question: God told Adam and Eve they could eat of every plant and herb and fruit, but he did not say explicitly they could eat insects, birds, animals. Does this mean we should be vegetarians, or even vegans?

He later said everything was for food.
 
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The verse says God created fish and birds.

Here's the verse. Notice the bolded and underlined part.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

God and Science AGREE that every living creature came forth from WATER.
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things

Science calls it "Natural" while God shows that life was CREATED. Amen?
 
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1) Gen 1 9-11 has God creating grass and seeds, that doesn't say they came from the sea.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after His kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

The above is speaking of Adam's Earth, which perished (Greek-totally destroyed) in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Notice that there was WATER under the firmament, which God called Heaven. Gen 1:8 There is NO water beneath our Cosmos.


***2) .....and every winged fowl after His kind.

Neither one says that life first emerged from the primitive life patterns of the Sea. The authors didn't know any better.

The Author is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. He said that God "created", which means that the creatures "created" are Eternal. Lord God (His kind) creates temporary creatures which are subject to death. Lord God/Jesus made the birds (common ancestors) and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 God the Trinity "created" birds Eternally, which means they will be in Heaven forever. Amen?
 
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I always thought Gen 1 came before Gen 2? Maybe the pages got all mixed up on the way to the printer?

You have identified the portion of the Bible which unlocks it's secrets. Genesis Chapter One is the entire History of God's 6 Creative Days or Ages of Creation including future events which happen after Jesus returns. Gen 1:28-31 The first 3 verses of Genesis 2 complete the History by showing the events of the Seventh Day which has no end. IOW, the first 34 verses of Genesis is an OUTLINE of all of the rest of the Bible. The entirety of Scripture, from Gen 2:4-the end of Revelation refers BACK to one of God's 7 Days of Creation.

Genesis 2:4-7 takes us BACK to the 3rd Day, before the plants, herbs and trees and shows that man (Heb-Adam) was made the 3rd Day. If you don't believe me, then read Gen 2:8-9 which "adds details" to the 3rd Day by correctly showing that Adam was made BEFORE trees, in total agreement with the OUTLINE of Genesis 1:12. Amen?
 
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A very poor understanding. The early Hebrews believed in the entire pantheon of the Mid-Eastern gods but regarded El as the chief god and the only one they were permitted to worship. This is known as "henotheism". "Elohim" as plural simply refers to the rest of the gods. From there the Hebrews gradually moved into monotheism.

I don't follow the theology of people who called for the crucifixion of Jesus. I love them and know that they will accept Jesus when He returns, but I do not follow their theology. Elohim is a Plural word showing the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. YHWH is the name of Jesus in the O.T. It's a singular word and correctly identifies Jesus as creating His kind, temporal kinds, like men, who MUST be born again by God the Trinity in order to enter Heaven, accoring to Jesus, their Creator. God Bless you
 
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Humans need to eat and drink and if they don't they'll die. This early dependence upon food, albeit plants, seems to suggest they needed food to survive.

Not so, since the Holy Spirit is speaking of FUTURE events in Gen 1:28-31. They has NEVER been a time in the past when Humans (Adam) were given dominion over viruses mosquitoes or Angels since it PROPHECY of events which happen at the end of the present 6th Creative Day/Age. Neither has EVERY creature been changed into Vegetarians Gen 1:30 which happens during the millennial reign of Christ. Isa 11:7
 
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SkyWriting said:
He later said everything was for food.
Not so since we all become vegetarians after Jesus returns. Even Lions and Bears WILL EAT straw. Isa 11:7

So, I'm pretty sure He still did say all things are for food.

Genesis 9:2-3
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
 
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Since it doesn't explicitly say that Adam and Eve were immortal before the Fall, I have to consider the evidence that is made available, and ask myself
Why was there are Tree of Life in the Garden?
... if they were immortal, they didn't need it...
... when they sinned, God quickly made sure they could not get at it.
... i.e. there was no point in its presence in the Garden if they were originally immortal.

The Tree of Life provides what is needed to be immortal.
That's how it got it's name.
 
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SkyWriting said:
He later said everything was for food.


So, I'm pretty sure He still did say all things are for food.

Genesis 9:2-3
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

This passage simply reflects a natural order that had existed for hundreds of thousands of years. That is exactly what mythologies try do ---- explain why things are as they are.
 
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I don't follow the theology of people who called for the crucifixion of Jesus. I love them and know that they will accept Jesus when He returns, but I do not follow their theology. Elohim is a Plural word showing the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. YHWH is the name of Jesus in the O.T. It's a singular word and correctly identifies Jesus as creating His kind, temporal kinds, like men, who MUST be born again by God the Trinity in order to enter Heaven, accoring to Jesus, their Creator. God Bless you

Using the logic that Elohim represents the trinity because it's plural and then Yahweh represent Jesus because it's singular is flawed. Elohim is the majestic plural and it is used for respect not to indicate more than one. if Elohim is literally "gods" it is best translated as "God" (uppercase 'G') as in English we don't show respect through plurals but their capitalization. I know Jesus identified himself as "I am" uniquely placing him in the context of the name Yahweh but I see scripture pointing to Yahweh as the one true God and not specifically the 2nd person of the Trinity. The OT is written in monotheistic language and it would be irresponsible to interpret these words as revealing the trinity.
 
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Not so, since the Holy Spirit is speaking of FUTURE events in Gen 1:28-31. They has NEVER been a time in the past when Humans (Adam) were given dominion over viruses mosquitoes or Angels since it PROPHECY of events which happen at the end of the present 6th Creative Day/Age. Neither has EVERY creature been changed into Vegetarians Gen 1:30 which happens during the millennial reign of Christ. Isa 11:7

not sure what you're getting at here as it has nothing to do with my comment.
 
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Thank you Sky. In other words they were not immortal before they disobeyed/did not believe God.
The Tree of Life provides what is needed to be immortal. They were in the garden
with the tree, then, God removed them so they would no longer have access to it.

12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.

Genesis 2:17
but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.
 
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Since Adam and Eve did not die physically the day they ate the forbidden fruit, I have to assume that the death referred to is spiritual death. And they did die spiritually when they did not believe God's word, and went on to disobey it. Spiritual death has been with us since. Spiritual life requires belief (trust) in God and obedience (repentence +).
 
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SkyWriting said:
He later said everything was for food.


So, I'm pretty sure He still did say all things are for food.

Genesis 9:2-3
2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Amen, but that was when Noah was afraid to come out of the Ark. IOW, it happened on the present Earth. Humans can eat flesh for about 10k years BEFORE Jesus gives us dominion or rule over ALL living creatures at the end of the present 6th Day/Age Gen 1:28 in the creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. We will never have dominion until Lions and Bears eat straw like the Ox, Isa 11:7 during the millennial reign of Christ on this Earth, which is in the FUTURE. God Bless you
 
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Using the logic that Elohim represents the trinity because it's plural and then Yahweh represent Jesus because it's singular is flawed. Elohim is the majestic plural and it is used for respect not to indicate more than one. if Elohim is literally "gods" it is best translated as "God" (uppercase 'G') as in English we don't show respect through plurals but their capitalization. I know Jesus identified himself as "I am" uniquely placing him in the context of the name Yahweh but I see scripture pointing to Yahweh as the one true God and not specifically the 2nd person of the Trinity. The OT is written in monotheistic language and it would be irresponsible to interpret these words as revealing the trinity.

God is One Gal 3:20 and has but One Image and that is Jesus, Col 2:9 the only God ever formed or that ever will be formed physically, bodily. Isa 43:11 In Jesus dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily. That WHY I don't accept the musings of ancient men who God tells us could NOT understand Him. Jer 4:22
 
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not sure what you're getting at here as it has nothing to do with my comment.

Sure it does since ALL living creatures SHALL BE changed into Vegetarians during the millennial reign of Jesus on this planet. IOW, it's FUTURE to 2017. Gen 1:30 is PROPHECY of what animals will eat in the FUTURE. God Bless you
 
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