Did Jesus descend into hell?

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Did Jesus descend into hell? Why was it not put in scripture? Because it is not found in scripture should we dismiss it? Why did Jesus descend into hell? When did he descend into hell? Was it before or after his resurrection? So many questions, so little time :p.
 
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Did Jesus descend into hell? Why was it not put in scripture? Because it is not found in scripture should we dismiss it? Why did Jesus descend into hell? When did he descend into hell? Was it before or after his resurrection? So many questions, so little time :p.
That's my take on 1 Peter 3:19-20. This was most probably right after His crucifixion and burial. He most likely descended into hell in the Spirit (1 Peter 3:18) after His burial. Feel free to correct me :).
 
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Forgive me...
 
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Ephesians 4:9-10 says,

"(Now this, 'He ascended'---what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)" (Ephesians 4:9-10)
 
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Did Jesus descend into hell? Why was it not put in scripture? Because it is not found in scripture should we dismiss it? Why did Jesus descend into hell? When did he descend into hell? Was it before or after his resurrection? So many questions, so little time :p.

It was put into scripture.. Read the following carefully

1 Peter 3: KJV

18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

So this scripture says Jesus went by the Spirit to the spirits in prison.. What is the prison that contains spirits called? Hell.. He went there to preach to them.. and it mentioned the spirits there that have been there since the times of Noah..
 
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Some people forget this...

Mat 27:52-53
"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Forgive me...
 
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He descended, bearing our sins and iniquities upon His soul/Person. His Spirit ascended, His soul/Person descended.
He was three days and three nights in the belly of the earth....
He fulfilled the Scripture in that all sin was ascribed to Azazel, who is the chief rebel Watcher angel chained, with his fallen watcher angel company, in the lowest compartment of Sheol.

The name of that rebel Watcher is translated "scapegoat", in error, but on the day of Atonement rehearsal all sin was laid on the goat elected by lot "to Azazel", and that goat was sent away alive, to go "to Azazel" who is bound in the "wilderness", which is Sheol.
The goat elected by lot "to YHWH" was offered on the altar as a sacrifice to YHWH, and the smoke of it ascended, "To YHWH".
On the day of Atonement's fulfillment once for all, by the Kinsman Redeemer, His One Living Spirit ascended to the Father; His soul/Person departed His body and went away, bearing our sins and iniquities that the Father laid on Him, and His body was laid in a tomb, not suffering corruption for three days and nights, for it was not possible to corrupt that flesh, for in His flesh of New Man creation there was no sin and "Satan had nothing in Him", as He said.

He proclaimed the fulfilled Atonement in Sheol, below. He then took all the captives out of there to heaven above, whose souls were held in the comfortable compartments in Sheol until that Day of Atonement. Those compartments in the belly of the earth were made for them to reside in, and Enoch was shown them, and they had to go there to await the Atonement promised in Genesis 3. Enoch was shown the souls of those who were held there, and was shown the four different compartments there.

The souls/persons who had to wait there for the promised Day of Atonement were there because we all died the first death of separation to the Father of Glory while we were the seed of the entire race of Adam, created to come forth in our season, residing in the loins of our first father, the head of the race of Adam .
Since the fall of our first father, Adam, no human being could ascend to the Father of Glory until the Acceptable Atonement was fulfilled once, for all (for whosoever will); and for all who are slain in the womb or die before they are accountable for understanding right or wrong, by their own will.

Jesus rose without the sin He went away bearing. He gave/ascribed all that sin He bore, "To Azazel" on that "Acceptable Day", and that is the teaching of the Torah in the rehearsals of that day of Atonement.
Enoch first told that all sin would be given "To Azazel" in the 70th generation, and Moses was given the rehearsal of that sending away of the elected goat , bearing those sins, "To Azazel"...
Tis a pity the English translators of the Hebrew did not know, or willfully hid, the meaning of the Day of Atonement, in that "to Azazel" all sin would be ascribed in the 70th generation, and that Azazel & Co were the spirits chained in Sheol since the flood, in chasm's called "a barren wilderness", in the belly of the earth, as Enoch reveals.
Azazel will be tormented along with his company of fallen watcher angels in the Lake of Fire forever and forever for falling for the lies of the satans (there are many evil spirits called the satans, with one chief), and tormented for the sin of the Adam father of our kind, which is now covered by the Atonement promised, for all born in Adam, and "whosoever will", who are born as the seed of the first father of our kind can call on the name of the LORD and be saved, for "He took our sins away", to whosoever believes and receives.
 
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Some people forget this...

Mat 27:52-53
"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Forgive me...
I think about 24 of them rose in perfected bodies, and ascended with the High Priest of earth, to the throne in heaven, where the Glory sits, and were the "wave offering" to fulfill the feast of First of Firstfruits, and those are the ones of earth who now sit in those perfected bodies, crowned with the crown of Life, on 24 thrones in heaven:)
The rest of those captives ascended to Paradise when Jesus fulfilled the Atonement, and they reside in the third heaven, where Paradise is, to await their resurrected, "perfected" bodies, at the time of the rapture of the Church, along with those who remain til that time of the final ingathering of the first harvest, which is called Pentecost and is typed/oracled in the Torah.
 
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I think about 24 of them rose in perfected bodies, and ascended with the High Priest of earth, to the throne in heaven, where the Glory sits, and were the "wave offering" to fulfill the feast of First of Firstfruits, and those are the ones of earth who now sit in those perfected bodies, crowned with the crown of Life, on 24 thrones in heaven:)
The rest of those captives ascended to Paradise when Jesus fulfilled the Atonement, and they reside in the third heaven, where Paradise is, to await their resurrected, "perfected" bodies, at the time of the rapture of the Church, along with those who remain til that time of the final ingathering of the first harvest, which is called Pentecost and is typed/oracled in the Torah.

Such variety of thought. Did you want to ask me something?

Forgive me...
 
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Such variety of thought. Did you want to ask me something?

Forgive me...
No....I just added more to your own comment about those who came out of their graves and appeared to many......
Where they are now, and why they arose in their bodies perfected, and how that fulfilled the Feast of First of Firstfruits [gathering the first of firstfruits on the first, first day of the week after Passover, as soon as the sun goes down on Sabbath, and "perfecting the grain" by making and baking the loaves and presenting them before the Glory in the temple, as the "wave offering" mid morning, on that day.....many people forget about that, in the fulfillment of the Oracles of that time:)
and why Jesus ascended midmorning with them, to the Father, to fulfill that Oracle of the Law, and where the wave offering was offered (before the Father of Glory in heaven's temple).
"Mat 27:52-53
"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.""
 
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Hell is NEVER mentioned in the Bible --- Sheol, Ghenna and Hades are but none of them are hell. Our modern concept of hell mostly derives from lurid medieval art and fiction. Dante's "Inferno" is the real source of most of how we think of hell.
 
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Hell is NEVER mentioned in the Bible --- Sheol, Ghenna and Hades are but none of them are hell. Our modern concept of hell mostly derives from lurid medieval art and fiction. Dante's "Inferno" is the real source of most of how we think of hell.
The English spelling, "Hades", of the Greek word transliterated to English in the Torah, "Kadesh/Qadesh", and which came from the Hebrew word for "holy" [in an unclean sense, such as temple prostitutes], came from the "example" of the everlasting Fire which is the destination of all who do not repent, who do the things that Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities of the plain did. Jude makes that clear, and you can go research it.
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was by fire from YHWH in heaven, which was called down upon them from YHWH on earth, who called down on the cities that fire, and which was an example of that worse which is to come.
So, Hades is a coined word, from Hebrew, and coined at the time of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
The destruction of the cities by that fire was an example of the everlasting fires of the second death, states Jude. and so the place is called "kadesh", at the Dead Sea, from that time. Transliterate that more and you have the same gutteral as "K", in the "H". Babel is also a coined word, as many other words are which signify an event or a person's doings; like Nimrod being called "Am rapha el" as is in Genesis 14, because "in him they fell" -at the tower.
 
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So this scripture says Jesus went by the Spirit to the spirits in prison.. What is the prison that contains spirits called? Hell.. He went there to preach to them.. and it mentioned the spirits there that have been there since the times of Noah..

It can also mean hades. And I believe that is more probable, because death and hades are the places before hell and hell comes after final judgment, when death and hades are thrown in hell.

…Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15
 
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It can also mean hades. And I believe that is more probable, because death and hades are the places before hell and hell comes after final judgment, when death and hades are thrown in hell.

…Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

That depends on what Bible one declares is the inspired Word of God..

Revelation 20: KJV

14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

So the KJV Bible declares that Hell will be cast into the eternal lake of fire.... When the final judgement is over with you no longer need a holding prison for those spirits..
 
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It was put into scripture.. Read the following carefully

1 Peter 3: KJV

18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

So this scripture says Jesus went by the Spirit to the spirits in prison.. What is the prison that contains spirits called? Hell.. He went there to preach to them.. and it mentioned the spirits there that have been there since the times of Noah..
Translations of 1 Peter 3:18-20 are all over the place. It helps tremendously to read Peter's words that follow the oft maligned text. It explains the text as the gospel was preached, in the past, to those who are now dead and in hell. There is no point to preach the gospel to those in hell. Their position can't be changed, but they do await judgement day.

1 Peter 4: 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And who preached of righteousness to those at the time of Noah?

2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others

And who did David say is his shepherd?
Psalm 23:1 The Lord is my shepherd

And who is this?
John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

And how does the Son of God shepherd his flock?
Acts 4:25 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David: “‘Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain?


What people need to understand about the 1 Peter 3 passage is that the Son of God has been speaking "in the Spirit" through the Holy Spirit since the first prophet to preach the "gospel"/truth and shepherding the people. This is why John starts his book with "in the beginning was the Word".
 
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So the KJV Bible declares that Hell will be cast into the eternal lake of fire.... When the final judgement is over with you no longer need a holding prison for those spirits.
Good point. While scripture speaks much of heaven, where God is along with the dead saints, what would the equivalent place where Satan and those not saved reside? Some may say hell, some say hades. Regardless, it seems likely that just as the current heaven is not the final and permanent resting place for the saved, there will also be a new resting place, the "lake of fire", for the damned.

Current popular understandings do not distinguish between the two different "hells". We just treat hell as the place of Satan. But there is one big important difference. Currently Satan can roam free on earth with his demons. After judgement day he will be forever bound.
 
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Here is the problem for all that believe Jesus descended into hell.

Why?
The Catholics have their purgatory, so at least they have their reason, even if I think it incorrect. The Protestants give reasons that don't fit with what scripture says.
To ascribe/give to Azazel the watcher, all sin....Azazel is chained there, in the lowest level, with his 200 companions who took the oath to not return to their own abode in the heavens but to remain in the man like bodies they could come down to earth in and minister for God in them, to the Adam creation.
Then to ascend, taking the captive souls who had died from the time of the death of Abel to the death of Christ, who were held captive in the first death of separation since the first father of the Adam race became defiled and separated from the Glory by that defilement.
They who waited there were waiting for the promised Day of Atonement and the end of that first death of separation from the Glory.
He descended, gave to Azazel all sin, and anounced the fulfillment of the promise given to the first father, Adam, and then ascended, leading captivity captive, and taking all the righteous who waited in comfort [Luke 16], to Paradise, in the third heaven.
From the time of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross not one cleansed Adam soul -or innocent soul who departed the body before understanding good from evil [who were held captive because of the defilement of our Adam race at the fall] has descended into the pit/Sheol, but has ascended to Paradise in the third haven, where they await the promised resurrection for the Glory body, which is purchased by the blood Atonement of the Kinsman/Redeemer .
 
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