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Did I ever say the word complete ? The heart of some men will certainly show wicked even without satan present, that's a given.

So Satan could very well be already bound today then huh?
I mean, If his presence is not required for men to commit even the gravest of sin (as it appears you are suggesting) then what exactly does his being bound accomplish in your view? (besides tweety bird and puddy tat becoming best pals?)

BTW, there is LESS WAR and MORE PEACE Today than anytime in the last 2000 years.

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die a hundred years old; but the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed
Context Friend. Context.

Isaiah 65:20 is referring to the New Heavens and Earth time period, NOT the 1000 year reign:

Isaiah 65:17
7 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
 
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I think about 120,000 people die every day. So not everyone made it through the 23rd. Or the 24th. Or the 25th. For them the world ended.
120,000 seems a little light.

7 BILLION People and only 120k tip over each day?

I'll have to look into that when it becomes a front burner issue for me.
 
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These are Jewish customs from post-Biblical times, so perhaps a poor guide for interpreting the N.T.
Actually, the post-biblical customs were based on the 2nd temple era customs. They were written down in the Mishnah and later the Talmuds following the Bar Kochba revolt when almost all Jews were forcibly removed from Judea.

The fact that they are referenced by our Lord often in the gospels testify to them being in use in the first century.
 
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So Satan could very well be already bound today then huh?
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Jesus ruling on earth for the 1000 years is to coincide with the binding of Satan. Have you seen a shot or heard of Jesus ruling on earth ? He is to rule from the rebuilt temple after he boots the anti christ , have you seen or read of the antichrist ruling from a new temple anytime since early acts ?
 
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Jesus ruling on earth for the 1000 years is to coincide with the binding of Satan. Have you seen a shot or heard of Jesus ruling on earth ? He is to rule from the rebuilt temple after he boots the anti christ , have you seen or read of the antichrist ruling from a new temple anytime since early acts ?

Jesus started ruling the day he Ascended to Heaven. Jesus came and conquered.

Like I have said before to others, you are reading Revelation with modern glasses!
 
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Actually, the post-biblical customs were based on the 2nd temple era customs.

That can be neither proved nor disproved.

The fact that they are referenced by our Lord often in the gospels testify to them being in use in the first century.

There's a circular argument there. You were assuming that Jesus was referencing those customs in order to interpret the passage. That interpretation can't then be used as evidence that Jesus was referencing those customs.
 
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Jesus started ruling the day he Ascended to Heaven. Jesus came and conquered.

Like I have said before to others, you are reading Revelation with modern glasses!
From what I understand, Satan is not bound right now. I found this information, below, from:

11.4. Summary of the Millennial Kingdom Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ

Satan will be bound in the abyss and demons will be imprisoned in the regions of Babylon, Edom, and possibly, the abyss. See commentary on Revelation 18:2 and Revelation 20:1.

Isa. Isa. 34:8-17; Rev. Rev. 18:2+; Rev. 20:3+

Also, during this period:

Many aspects of the curse (Gen. Gen. 3:15-19) will be reversed. People will live to a great age, but death will still occur.5 As before the flood, animals will revert to vegetarianism and will no longer fear man. Living waters will flow from beneath the sanctuary of the Millennial Temple bringing life to the regions they water.

Isa. Isa. 11:6-9; Isa. 65:20, Isa. 65:25; Eze. Eze. 47:8-12; Zec. Zec. 8:4; Zec. 14:8; (cf. Rev. Rev. 21:1-2+)

All implements of war will be destroyed in favor of implements of productivity. Nations will no longer go to war. Disagreements between nations will be judged by Christ from Jerusalem.

Ps. Ps. 72:3-7; Isa. Isa. 2:5; Isa. 9:7; Eze. Eze. 37:26; Mic. Mic. 4:3

A temple will stand in Jerusalem and all the nations will go up to Jerusalem to the Feast of Tabernacles. Sacrificial offerings will be resumed.

Isa. Isa. 2:3; Isa. 56:6-7; Isa. 66:20-23; Eze. Eze. 43:20, Eze. 43:26; Eze. 45:15, Eze. 45:17, Eze. 45:20; Jer. Jer. 33:18; Dan. Dan. 9:24; Joel Joel 3:18; Hag. Hag. 2:7-9; Zec. Zec. 6:12-15; Zec. 8:20-23; Zec. 14:16-21; Mal. Mal. 3:3-4. See Millennial Sacrifices.

The curse of Babel (Gen. Gen. 11:7), the introduction of varied languages, will be reversed. All the earth will have one language.

Zep. Zep. 3:8-1210
 
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What made them significant to you?
The Rarity?
Not significant to me, to the posters of the thread. They said that Jupiter would rise with the sun in between Virgo and Leo above the Temple Mount. I don't know why they thought it was significant, except for its rarity.
 
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Yes. It was easy to see through these false prophets. How could September 23, 2017 be Revelation 12 if Revelation 1 through 11 haven't happened. This is assuming the book of Revelation is chronological (which most likely is).

Even so, how could a constellation "escape into the wilderness?" It didn't make sense. A thorough exegesis of the Bible will demonstrate that the time of prophets has passed post John the Baptist.
Indeed, at the end "people will prophesy", however, this cannot share the same light with the Prophets before the Christ (Jesus). Jesus was the last prophet (of any significance in any case).
 
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Yes. It was easy to see through these false prophets. How could September 23, 2017 be Revelation 12 if Revelation 1 through 11 haven't happened. This is assuming the book of Revelation is chronological (which most likely is).

Even so, how could a constellation "escape into the wilderness?" It didn't make sense. A thorough exegesis of the Bible will demonstrate that the time of prophets has passed post John the Baptist.
Indeed, at the end "people will prophesy", however, this cannot share the same light with the Prophets before the Christ (Jesus). Jesus was the last prophet (of any significance in any case).
I don't think that these people were "false" prophets. They were not predicting any "rapturous" event..

The book of Revelation, from what I have read, is not chronological. You can see, through many legitimate sites, how this book is laid out.
 
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I disagree. They are false prophets. The concession of the prophets has ended. The Christ (Jesus) was the last prophet along with John the Revelator (Revelation). I have to restate. There are no significant prophetic lines remaining. At this point, as Luke said, "everyone is forcing his way into it".


Luke 16:16 / Matthew 11:14
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it."


Zechariah 13 (the prophecy of the Advent of the Christ)
1“On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.

2“On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the Lord Almighty. “I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. 3And if anyone still prophesies, their father and mother, to whom they were born, will say to them, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the Lord’s name.’ Then their own parents will stab the one who prophesies.

4“On that day every prophet will be ashamed of their prophetic vision. They will not put on a prophet’s garment of hair in order to deceive."


Let me ask you a question. If I say there will be an earthquake tomorrow, what would you say? There are earthquakes on this planet by the hour. However, a proper "prophet" will be able to pin its location, its exact time, its exact magnitude. I see nothing of the sort today. The Revelation 12 sign (September 23, 2017) is no exception. As I said, there are no "significant" prophets anymore. Anything now is simply forcible and for intentions for fame.

You said they weren't predicting any rapturous event? Who? You'd be surprised at how many did indeed predict just that. Of course, I must disagree with you about the book of Revelation not being Chronological. That one is easy to see.
 
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Not significant to me, to the posters of the thread. They said that Jupiter would rise with the sun in between Virgo and Leo above the Temple Mount.

Did it happen?
Were there any photographs taken of this?
Seems to me, if it were truly meant to be a sign for all humanity to observe and interpret, we would have seen it, no?

I don't know why they thought it was significant, except for its rarity.

I ate a banana this morning.
First banana I have eaten in a month.
I Guess that's significant.
 
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I found this information, below, from:

11.4. Summary of the Millennial Kingdom Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ
5 As before the flood, animals will revert to vegetarianism and will no longer fear man.

Vegetarian Spiders, Sharks, Mosquitoes, Piranhas? That would be something.

A temple will stand in Jerusalem and all the nations will go up to Jerusalem to the Feast of Tabernacles. Sacrificial offerings will be resumed.

Sorry, any theology that claims the once for all sacrifice of Christ on the Cross will one day become ineffectual, null and void ought be rejected outright by any and every Christian.
It certainly is by this Christian.
 
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Vegetarian Spiders, Sharks, Mosquitoes, Piranhas? That would be something.

Hey..... I'm only quoting God's words.

Sorry, any theology that claims the once for all sacrifice of Christ on the Cross will one day become ineffectual, null and void ought be rejected outright by any and every Christian.
It certainly is by this Christian.
Not sure where your comment addresses the concept that in the millennial reign of Christ the world will resume the sacrificial offerings?

Nothing here argues or presents a once for all sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

However, that topic has been beat to death on other threads.
 
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Not sure where your comment addresses the concept that in the millennial reign of Christ the world will resume the sacrificial offerings?
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I was puzzled by that as well but in message #109 you said this, maybe you can clarify it: "A temple will stand in Jerusalem and all the nations will go up to Jerusalem to the Feast of Tabernacles. Sacrificial offerings will be resumed".
 
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I was puzzled by that as well but in message #109 you said this, maybe you can clarify it: "A temple will stand in Jerusalem and all the nations will go up to Jerusalem to the Feast of Tabernacles. Sacrificial offerings will be resumed".
Yes, that was my quote. Not sure where the confusion is though..

On one hand,,,,, the sacrificial offerings resumes.

On the other hand, the poster is denying a once saved always saved concept...

Two totally different concepts, IMO
 
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