How young did you start praying? And have you got it right yet?

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Did you know that Christ taught the Apostles to pray the entire Psalms during a weekly cycle?

Do you have a prayer rule now?

The beginning of my prayer journey started when I was very young. I believe we were living with my grandparents at the time.

My grandfather fixated on prophecy and eschatological events and taught me to see these things in scripture. His weren't the structured prayers of my grandmother. But private prayers asking for understanding.

There was a common night time pray with my grandmother... "I pray the Lord, my soul, to keep". I remember the picture of the Angel helping the children cross the bridge, in front of me over the bed. Definitely, the old English style, and pictures. "I remember it." All of it, vividly.

And much more than that now. I am 53, and have been in the choirs of The Orthodox Churches for a dozen years. Offering my voice to the daily readings for The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America.

Being involved in the choir has been the best way to learn about Christian prayer and Theology.

Forgive me...
 

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I grew up in a non-church-going family but I did hear more than once that "God tests us". And that really blew it for me, because I had my difficulties in life then. God seemed like a demiurge who only wanted to make life hard. Looking back, I was comically angry at God as a child. It turns out my working class heathen relatives were not experts in theology.

I did not begin to really pray until adulthood. Something to remember in witnessing - there are many people out there who have never prayed and have never seen anyone pray.
 
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I grew up in a non-church-going family but I did hear more than once that "God tests us". And that really blew it for me, because I had my difficulties in life then. God seemed like a demiurge who only wanted to make life hard. Looking back, I was comically angry at God as a child. It turns out my working class heathen relatives were not experts in theology.

I did not begin to really pray until adulthood. Something to remember in witnessing - there are many people out there who have never prayed and have never seen anyone pray.

That is absolutely true!

It has to be learned, and it has to be taught. Thank you for you witness!

Forgive me...
 
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Something to remember in witnessing - there are many people out there who have never prayed and have never seen anyone pray.

I would say that many do not understand the trinity either. So many do not know who to pray to!
 
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Some find no value in the teachings embedded in our corporate prayers. Often because they cannot soften their hearts enough to be instructed by another.

Here is a portion of the prayers that come after communion in The Orthodox Churches. What gems of Theology we find...

"I thank Thee, O Lord my God, for Thou hast not rejected me, a sinner, but hast made me worthy to be a partaker of Thy holy things. I thank Thee, for Thou hast permitted me, the unworthy, to commune of Thy most pure and heavenly Gifts. But, O Master who lovest mankind, who for our sakes didst die and rise again, and gavest us these awesome and lifecreating Mysteries for the good and sanctification of our souls and bodies; let them be for the healing of soul and body, the repelling of every adversary, the illumining of the eyes of my heart, the peace of my spiritual powers, a faith unashamed, a love unfeigned, the fulfilling of wisdom, the observing of Thy commandments, the receiving of Thy divine grace, and the attaining of Thy Kingdom. Preserved by them in Thy holiness, may I always remember Thy grace and live not for myself alone, but for Thee, our Master and Benefactor. May I pass from this life in the hope of eternal life, and so attain to the everlasting rest, where the voice of those who feast is unceasing, and the gladness of those who behold the goodness of Thy countenance is unending. For Thou art the true desire and the ineffable joy of those who love Thee, O Christ our God, and all creation sings Thy praise forever. Amen.

A Prayer of St. Basil the Great:

O Master Christ our God, King of the Ages, Maker of all things: I thank Thee for all the good things Thou hast given me, especially for the communion with Thy most pure and life-creating Mysteries. I pray Thee, O gracious Lover of Man: preserve me under Thy protection, beneath the shadow of Thy wings. Enable me, even to my last breath, to partake worthily and with a pure conscience of Thy holy things, for the remission of sins and unto life eternal. For Thou art the Bread of Life, the Fountain of Holiness, the Giver of all Good; to Thee we ascribe glory, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.

A Prayer by St. Simeon Metaphrastes:

Freely Thou hast given me Thy Body for my food, O Thou who art a fire consuming the unworthy. Consume me not, O my Creator, but instead enter into my members, my veins, my heart. Consume the thorns of my transgressions. Cleanse my soul and sanctify my reasonings. Make firm my knees and body. Illumine my five senses. Nail me to the fear of Thee. Always protect, guard, and keep me from soul destroying words and deeds. Cleanse me, purify me, and adorn me. Give me understanding and illumination. Show me to be a temple of Thy One Spirit, and not the home of many sins. May every evil thing, every carnal passion, flee from me as from a fire as I become Thy tabernacle through communion. I offer Thee as intercessors all the saints: the leaders of the bodiless hosts, Thy Forerunner, the wise apostles, and Thy pure and blameless Mother. Accept their prayers in Thy love, O my Christ, and make me, Thy servant, a child of light. For Thou art the only Sanctification and Light of our souls, O Good One, and to Thee, our Master and God, we ascribe glory day by day.

Another prayer:

O Lord Jesus Christ our God: let Thy holy Body be my eternal life; Thy precious Blood, my remission of sins. Let this Eucharist be my joy, health, and gladness. Make me, a sinner, worthy to stand on the right hand of Thy glory at Thine awesome second Coming, through the prayers of Thy most pure Mother and of all the saints.

A Prayer to the Theotokos:

O most holy Lady Theotokos, the light of my darkened soul, my hope, my protection, my refuge, my rest, and my joy. I thank you, for you have permitted me, the unworthy, to be a partaker of the most pure Body and precious Blood of your Son. Give the light of understanding to the eyes of my heart, you that gave birth to the True Light. Enliven me who am deadened by sin, you that gave birth to the Fountain of Immortality. Have mercy on me, O loving Mother of the merciful God. Grant me compunction and contrition of heart, humility in my thoughts, and a release from the slavery of my own reasonings. And enable me, even to my last breath, to receive the sanctification of the most pure Mysteries, for the healing of soul and body. Grant me tears of repentance and confession, that I may glorify you all the days of my life, for you are blessed and greatly glorified forever. Amen.

Lord, now lettest Thou Thy servant depart in peace, according to Thy word. For mine eyes have seen Thy salvation, which Thou hast prepared before the face of all people: a light to enlighten the Gentiles, and to be the glory of Thy people, Israel.

✠Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us! (thrice)

✠Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

O Most-Holy Trinity: have mercy on us. O Lord: cleanse us from our sins. O Master: pardon our transgressions. O Holy One: visit and heal our infirmities, for Thy name's sake.

Lord have mercy. (thrice)

✠Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

✠Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen."

Forgive me...
 
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Many of us pray "amiss".

A direct result of the lack of involvement in corporate prayer. If we involve ourselves in the corporate prayers we will know what and how to pray. Corporate prayers are very practical as teaching tools.

James 4:3 "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts."

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I started praying when I was about Three. I didn't really become a Christian until 4 years ago. And, no I didn't really get it right yet. I still don't really know how to pray and I pray to Jesus more than I do to the Father and the Holy Spirit. It makes me feel guilty but, I feel a lot closer to Jesus than the other 2 persons of the trinity. Sometimes I'll just say "dear God" when I want to talk to all three.
 
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I started praying when I was about Three. I didn't really become a Christian until 4 years ago. And, no I didn't really get it right yet. I still don't really know how to pray and I pray to Jesus more than I do to the Father and the Holy Spirit. It makes me feel guilty but, I feel a lot closer to Jesus than the other 2 persons of the trinity. Sometimes I'll just say "dear God" when I want to talk to all three.

Try adding just this to the end of your personal prayers. It can become second nature to end your prayers this way. :)

✠Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

✠Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

Forgive me...
 
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Try adding just this to the end of your personal prayers. It can become second nature to end your prayers this way. :)

✠Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

✠Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

Forgive me...

Amen. I used to use the Lord's prayer at the beginning of my prayers but I haven't in a little over a year. I think I was hospitalized the last time I prayed the Lord's prayer. I'm not familiar with the first prayer. It's pretty. What is it?
 
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From as young as I can remember the church I grew up in taught us to pray. Granted, these were exclusively memorized prayers (Our Father, Hail Mary etc.). So unfortunately, prayer devolved into simply rattling off rehearsed lyrics with little to no thought regarding their meaning. Prayer was never conversation, but exclusively ceremonial.

When I left that church and landed at the one God led me to, I learned to really pray to God, not just recite scripted words. It's been transformative to say the least.
 
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Amen. I used to use the Lord's prayer at the beginning of my prayers but I haven't in a little over a year. I think I was hospitalized the last time I prayed the Lord's prayer. I'm not familiar with the first prayer. It's pretty. What is it?

The whole thing is called the Trisagion (Thrice Holy) prayers.

The Trisagion Prayers

In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)
Glory to thee, our God, glory to thee.


O heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of truth, who art in all places and fillest all things; Treasury of good things and Giver of life: Come and dwell in us and cleanse us from every stain, and save our souls, O gracious Lord.


Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal: have mercy on us. (Thrice) (make the sign of the cross.)
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)


All-holy Trinity, have mercy on us. Lord, cleanse us from our sins. Master, pardon our iniquities. Holy God, visit and heal our infirmities for thy Name's sake.

Lord, have mercy. (Thrice)
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)


Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Through the prayers of our holy Fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)

Apparently an Angel taught it to a child.
NPNF2-09. Hilary of Poitiers, John of Damascus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

"...once when the people of Constantinople were offering prayers to God to avert a threatened calamity, during Proclus’ tenure of the office of Archbishop, it happened that a boy was snatched up from among the people, and was taught by angelic teachers the “Thrice Holy” Hymn, “Thou Holy God, Holy and Mighty One, Holy and Immortal One, have mercy upon us:” and when once more he was restored to earth, he told what he had learned, and all the people sang the Hymn, and so the threatened calamity was averted."

Forgive me...
 
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The whole thing is called the Trisagion (Thrice Holy) prayers.

The Trisagion Prayers

In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)
Glory to thee, our God, glory to thee.


O heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of truth, who art in all places and fillest all things; Treasury of good things and Giver of life: Come and dwell in us and cleanse us from every stain, and save our souls, O gracious Lord.


Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal: have mercy on us. (Thrice) (make the sign of the cross.)
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)


All-holy Trinity, have mercy on us. Lord, cleanse us from our sins. Master, pardon our iniquities. Holy God, visit and heal our infirmities for thy Name's sake.

Lord, have mercy. (Thrice)
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)


Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Through the prayers of our holy Fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen. (make the sign of the cross.)

Apparently an Angel taught it to a child.
NPNF2-09. Hilary of Poitiers, John of Damascus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

"...once when the people of Constantinople were offering prayers to God to avert a threatened calamity, during Proclus’ tenure of the office of Archbishop, it happened that a boy was snatched up from among the people, and was taught by angelic teachers the “Thrice Holy” Hymn, “Thou Holy God, Holy and Mighty One, Holy and Immortal One, have mercy upon us:” and when once more he was restored to earth, he told what he had learned, and all the people sang the Hymn, and so the threatened calamity was averted."

Forgive me...

I see. Interesting.
 
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When I was very young (still a toddler) I was taught the following two prayers and said them every day for many years. 1) God is great, God is good, let us thank Him for our food. Amen.; 2) Now I lay me down to sleep. I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take. Amen.

After that my prayers became more personal. When I was in high school, I was fond of praying various psalms. I got very off track when I started using 'tongues' in lieu of actual prayers. I got back on track when I started praying the prayers of the Orthodox Church. I find prayer difficult. It is a struggle for me. Adhering to a prayer rule is the opposite of easy for me.
 
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Did you know that Christ taught the Apostles to pray the entire Psalms during a weekly cycle?

Do you have a prayer rule now?

The beginning of my prayer journey started when I was very young. I believe we were living with my grandparents at the time.

My grandfather fixated on prophecy and eschatological events and taught me to see these things in scripture. His weren't the structured prayers of my grandmother. But private prayers asking for understanding.

There was a common night time pray with my grandmother... "I pray the Lord, my soul, to keep". I remember the picture of the Angel helping the children cross the bridge, in front of me over the bed. Definitely, the old English style, and pictures. "I remember it." All of it, vividly.

And much more than that now. I am 53, and have been in the choirs of The Orthodox Churches for a dozen years. Offering my voice to the daily readings for The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America.

Being involved in the choir has been the best way to learn about Christian prayer and Theology.

Forgive me...
When I was seven I was in a Catholic school, we were required to learn the Lord's Prayer. I got a plastic bible with a magnifying glass that had the Lord's Prayer which is how I learned it. Even at that age it puzzled me, what was a trespass I remember asking one of the nuns.

I can't honestly say I've gotten it right, God keeps changing the subject. The fact that God is actually listening to this has always bothered me and on the occasions he answers, although wonderful, is always a little disturbing. The times I can remember praying through were times I believed God had started the conversation, if you could call it that. I still believe God wants to talk to us a lot more then we want to talk to him.

Something I've noticed about older preachers, early on they will get into expositions and theology. As they get older they start to emphasis their prayer life. If you ever have an occasion to preach to a room full of preachers I would suggest an indepth exposition might be a bad idea. Tell them about your prayer journal, especially if they have been doing this for a while.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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This goes with the Trisagion Prayers.

On making the Sign of the Cross
Orthodoxy in NWA: On making the Sign of the Cross


One of the oldest and most powerful acts of Orthodox praxis is the Sign of the Cross. The Sign of the Cross is a way for us, as Christians, to make an outward sign of our Faith in Jesus Christ. By making the Sign we are invoking a blessing, warding off evil, showing of Faith. It is also a prayer in and of itself.


First, it is important that one makes the Sign in the proper manner. The proper way to make the Sign of the Cross is to combine your thumb, index finger, and middle finger together; while, the ring finger and pinking fold into the palm of your right hand. To carry it out, start at your forehead, then down to your navel, up to your right shoulder, and then over to your left shoulder. After making the Sign it is proper to either make a prostration or bow. However, sometimes the space we are in does not let us carry out either of those two so a simple bow of the head is acceptable.



The reason that Orthodox Christians Sign themselves this way is not just meaningless but reveals two essential beliefs of the Holy Orthodox Church. The first is the three fingers. The three fingers represent the Holy Trinity; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity is Holy as it is the representation of God. It reminds us of our Baptismal vow.
The last two fingers represent Jesus Christ's being. That is, we accept, believe, and show that Christ was both Divine and human.

There are multiple times that Orthodox invoke the Sign of the Cross. When waking up in the morning or going to bed, before eating/drinking, before saying a prayer, when entering/exiting a Church, venerating Icons, and during the Divine Liturgy.

During the Divine Liturgy we always Cross ourselves when either we say or hear the Name of the Holy Trinity, when the Priest blesses the laity, when the Priest or Deacon censes the laity, or when the Priest/Deacon prays out loud to the Theotokos and to Jesus Christ, and at the mention of Saints. When the Gifts are brought around the Church, at the consecration of the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood. Also, when one hears "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal have mercy on us" and "Blessed be the Name of the Lord henceforth and forever more"

It is also a good thing to perform the Sign during the prayers of the people, the litany. Such an example would be when we are asked to pray for our Hierarchs, Priests, Deacons, Monastics or for the remembrance of a loved one who fell asleep in the Lord or for someone who is sick or traveling. Also, one may do it at the beginning of the Lord's Prayer, the beginning of the Creed, at the point in the Creed when we say "Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and Son is worshiped and glorified" (as to affirm that the Holy Spirit proceeds only from God, the Father, and NOT as the heterodox believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son), and also at the mention of the "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church."

There is also another Sign of the Cross that is reserved strictly for our Hierarchs; Priest, Bishop, Metropolitan, Patriarch. This is a Holy blessing as the one who makes it does it by holding their hand in a formation for the abbreviation of Jesus Christ, "IC XC." The little finger is extended to make the "I"; the index finger and middle finger are also raised, with the middle finger bent slightly so that the two fingers together form the "X"; the thumb touches the lowered third finger to signify the two "C"s. We should always Cross ourselves when receiving this blessing from our Hierarch as it is a blessing of Jesus Christ.



The Sign of the Cross is a most precious act of piety. It is a symbol and show of our Faith. Let us never be ashamed by performing the Sign if we be in public or Church, for it is our Faith that it shows and it is a sign of our commitment to Christ.

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