Comparing Bible statements on seventh day Sabbath vs Bible texts on week-day-1

I have been studying for many years and there is overwhelming evidence that there is no day set aside for the Christian community to gather. We are free to choose and it has nothing to do with our salvation. We are not Israel who came out of Egypt as slaves that needed to be governed by 613 laws. We are blessed with the Holy Spirit and His gentile prodding to love others as Jesus loves us.

I have been studying for many years and there is overwhelming evidence that there is no day set aside for the Christian community. We are free to worship when we please. I rest in Jesus everyday.

The covenant of 613 laws were not for Israel's salvation and of course that means the Sabbath was not a salvational issue. They were given to make Israel a Holy nation. Ex 19:5-6 All those laws were given to Israel as the way to live in Canaan. So tell me, all you that think you must observe a day set aside for only one nation that is now defunct, why on Earth do you think you have to observe it? Why do you think it is salvational? The New Testament does not say it is and nowhere does any of the NT Bible authors clue us in in any way, so where did you get that idea? In all of the New Testament is there a 10 in front of commandments. Jesus kept the 10 and asks us to keep His and His are about love not 10.

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

Where did old Ellen come up with such? She certainly didn't know much about salvation. I feel very sorry for those who prefer her writings over the real truth found in the Holy Writ.

Bob S said:

The covenant of 613 laws were not for Israel's salvation and of course that means the Sabbath was not a salvational issue.

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A few honest questions may help. How many commandments in the 10 commandments given written and made and spoken by God himself? (613 or 10 see Exodus 20:8-11)

Was the making of the 10 commandments the work of God or man? (Exodus 32:16)

Hence the term God's Law because he is the sole writer, maker and owner of these Laws. They are the work of God which his Word says are forever (Exodus 20:1-17; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

In the Old Covenant there was two sets of Laws God's Law (10 commandments) which are forever and the laws of Moses that were temporary and shadows pointing to Jesus.

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) is the work of God alone written with His own finger on two tables of stone, spoken by God himself to His people and placed alone in the Ark of the Covenant. (Exodus 32:16; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-17; Deuteronomy 10:5) Points out sin because breaking God’s Law is sin (Isaiah 24:4; 1 John 3:4; James 2:11; Romans 3:20; 7:17; Ezekiel 18:20; Romans 6:23) God’s Law pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin and made nothing perfect in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Ps 119:172).

(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws which were written by Moses in a book. These laws not not tell us what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God through faith. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. Much of the ceremonial laws were Shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus the lamb of God and the sinners true sacrifice (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28; Col 2:14-17)

From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23).

Now they next question would be if these laws were all the same why didn’t Moses just write all the laws? Why did God go to all the trouble to make the 10 commandments and speak them personally to his people?

The answer has already been provided with the scriptures above and that is I know that, whatsoever God does, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (Ecclesiastes 3:14). It was God that made the 10 commandments and the scripture says it is forever. It is also the spoken Word of God by God himself Jesus says: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 24:35). The reason God made the 10 commandments is that they are forever

So if God's Law (10 commandments) are forever what was nailed to the cross? These were the temporary laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus Colossians 2:14-17. There is too many scriptures showing God's Law (10 commandments) is the standard of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. If you would like some of these scriptures please feel free to ask. Hope this helps.

Bob S said:

They were given to make Israel a Holy nation. Ex 19:5-6 All those laws were given to Israel as the way to live in Canaan. So tell me, all you that think you must observe a day set aside for only one nation that is now defunct, why on Earth do you think you have to observe it?

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Maybe you did not know these scriptures? Hope they may be a blessing.

Who are Israel?

Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people who are now spiritual Israel following. Scripture support;

For it is written…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ

Q1. Now who is Abraham’s seed?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Gal 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Col 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Rom 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Jer 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Gal 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12).

A1. God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it...

Bob S said:

Why do you think it is salvational? The New Testament does not say it is and nowhere does any of the NT Bible authors clue us in in any way, so where did you get that idea? In all of the New Testament is there a 10 in front of commandments. Jesus kept the 10 and asks us to keep His and His are about love not 10.

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Bob, you may have missed these. Hope this helps.

Q2. What is sin?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

A2. Sin is breaking God's Law (10 commandments)....

So now that is it clear that sin is the transgression of God's Law lets move on to the next question.

Q3. Is someone saved who is practicing unrepentant sin?

Hebrew 10:27-28
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgress also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Ezekiel 18:20-26,
20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21, But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22, All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23, Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24, But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26, When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revellers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21, Envying’s, murders, drunkenness, revelling’s, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Peter 4:6
4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;

19, While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20, For if after they have escaped the pollution's of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21, For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22, But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Romans 6:18-23
18, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20, For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21, What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:13,
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.

James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephesians 4:21-24
21, If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22, That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23, And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24, And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

1 Peter 1:15-16
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

How do we know who are God's people?

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed <1 Peter 1:23> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

A3. Those who do not turn from unrepentant sin do not know God's love and will not be saved

Let's pull it all together....

Q1. How many commandments are there in God's Law
A1. 10 (Exodus 20:1-17)

Q2. Now who is Abraham’s seed?
A2. God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it.

Q3. What is sin?
A3. Sin is breaking God's Law (10 commandments)

Q4. Is someone saved who is practicing unrepentant sin?
A4. Those who do not turn from unrepentant sin do not know God's love and will not be saved

God's Law is the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:10-17), These are forever (Ecclesiastes 3:14). The ceremonial laws of Moses were temporary shadows pointing to Jesus (Colossians 2:14-17).

Those that believe and obey God's Word are God's Israel. God has a new Covenant specifically for his people who are God's Israel (Hebrews 8:10-12).

Sin is breaking any of God's 10 commandments. If we knowingly break any of God's commandments we are in unrepentant sin. Those that are knowingly breaking any of God's 10 commandments and are in unrepentant sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

The 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

If we knowingly break it we commit sin. God's Word tells us that sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). So yep breaking any of God's commandments is sin indeed and those who knowingly practice it are in danger of the judgement. In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls on all men everywhere to repent and seek him today while he may be found. Tomorrow may be too late...

Hope this is helpful.

No, LGW your long post merely evaded my question. God said the covenant was to make Israel a Holy nation. God didn't mention anything about salvation in the prelude to giving them the covenant. It is third grade reasoning LGW. Why is it so very hard for you to grasp? Jesus covenant with Jews that includes all mankind is a salvational covenant. One that is not like the one given to Israel. It is a better covenant.

Knowing that that the covenant was not for Israel's salvation, I ask you why would the Sabbath, which was part of the covenant, be salvational? Of course it is not and for the revered prophet to make such a claim proves she was a false prophet and the church she was instrumental in founding is founded on a false foundation.

Q3. What is sin?
A3. Sin is breaking God's Law (10 commandments)

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If you define sin as breaking God's 10 commandments then you are leaving out the greatest commandment ever given by God. Jn13:34 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

As you should know there is nothing in the 10 commandments about loving anything. In fact there is nothing about many many sins against ourselves and our fellow man. If you are going to tell others what sin is, you had better be doing a much better job than you just did.

I know I am doing right and belong to the truth if I believe in Jesus and love others as Jesus loves us. 1Jn3:19-24

19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Who's advice should I follow? Should I follow LGW's well thought out postings, how about the Messianics that post eloquently? To me it is absolutely no conundrum at all. The above scripture, such a gem, tells me I belong to the truth. LGW tells me I have to keep laws that were to make Israel a Holy nation and had nothing to do with salvation. He tell me the 10 commandments defines sin. Messianics tell me I need to keep many of the other 603 laws that governed Israel. Scripture certainly is not telling me that. I am going to stick with the wonderful gift Jesus gave to me. We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 2Cor3:7-11

Morality is forever and it didn't start with he 10 commandments.

Please don't be so critical of others. See post#12.

BobRyan said:

Catholic answers - address this question about "changing" the Sabbath from one day to another.

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"Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?"
http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...im-that-the-sabbath-shouldnt-have-been-change

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Catholic Answers sets the record straight?
Albeit some wishful thinking added in at the last?
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"While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, "Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday," Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday."

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(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

They "of course" fail to find even ONE text saying:

"from week day one to week-day one shall all mankind come before Me to worship" as we have in Is 66:23 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"Week-day one was made for mankind.. the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" as we have in Mark 2:27-28 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"Remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" as we have in Ex 20:8 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"week day 1 is the Holy day of the Lord" as we have in Isaiah 58:13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the next week day 1 - nearly the entire town came together to hear Gospel preaching" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"they kept asking that the Gospel be presented to them again on the next week day 1" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

" 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every week day 1 and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." as we have in Acts 18:4 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Recall that the "Sabbath" designation for the Bible 7th day Sabbath is often found in the NT. But not once do we find "Lord's day" for week-day-1 or "the new Christian Sabbath" as the term for week-day-1 in the NT.

Sooooo - -lacking all of that "actual evidence".

The link above will simply have to "settle" for some hope of finding a hint that maybe an event EVER happened on week-day-1 and was a worship service. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
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we have Catholic Documents -- admitting that as given in the Bible the term "Lord's Day" refers to the Bible Sabbath - the 7th Day and not week-day-1.

The argument is not that the term "Lord's Day" does not exist in the Bible -- rather the argument is that the NT first century writers never say it is week-day-1 even though numerous times in the NT text - week-day-1 is mentioned.

But the Bible calls the 7th day the "Holy Day of the LORD" and calls it Sabbath in BOTH the OT AND the NT

here is another Catholic document that mentions the "Lord's Day"

The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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and still another Catholic document


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Convert's Catechism
Full text of "The convert's catechism of Catholic doctrine"

3. The Third Commandment.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember

that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

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Q. Which is the Sabbath day ?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Satur-
day ?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday be-
cause the Catholic Church, in the Council of
Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity
from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sun-
day, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apos-
tles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day by the plenitude of that divine power which
Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment com-
mand?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to
sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.

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Indeed - Acts 20 says that a one-time event happened on week-day-1 (again not calling it "the Lord's Day" so as not to confuse the reader). The "excuse"/reason given for this one-time event was that Paul was leaving the next day -- according to the text itself.

meanwhile - here is the actual Bible.

"the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28.
Is 58:13 - the Sabbath "is the Holy Day of the LORD"
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of LORD thy God" Ex 20:10

Indeed - in Rev 1 there is no "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"... But the NT reader does have these texts to guide them.


With proof posted many places on other threads -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

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There's nothing to add or dispute here. you've said it all. Amen!

geneh43 said:

There's nothing to add or dispute here. you've said it all. Amen!

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One more thing. Jesus ' ministry was 3 1/2 years. during that time there wasn't even a hint that there would be a new Sabbath day after His resurrection. He walked this Earth for 40 days after He was resurrected and again, the record is silent on a new Sabbath.
Apostate Protestants use all sorts of excuses for keeping the day of the sun, but they don't realize they are paying homage to Satan whether they intend to or not.

BobRyan said:

Catholic answers - address this question about "changing" the Sabbath from one day to another.

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"Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?"
http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...im-that-the-sabbath-shouldnt-have-been-change

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Catholic Answers sets the record straight?
Albeit some wishful thinking added in at the last?
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"While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, "Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday," Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday."

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(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

They "of course" fail to find even ONE text saying:

"from week day one to week-day one shall all mankind come before Me to worship" as we have in Is 66:23 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"Week-day one was made for mankind.. the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" as we have in Mark 2:27-28 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"Remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" as we have in Ex 20:8 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"week day 1 is the Holy day of the Lord" as we have in Isaiah 58:13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the next week day 1 - nearly the entire town came together to hear Gospel preaching" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"they kept asking that the Gospel be presented to them again on the next week day 1" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

" 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every week day 1 and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." as we have in Acts 18:4 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Recall that the "Sabbath" designation for the Bible 7th day Sabbath is often found in the NT. But not once do we find "Lord's day" for week-day-1 or "the new Christian Sabbath" as the term for week-day-1 in the NT.

Sooooo - -lacking all of that "actual evidence".

The link above will simply have to "settle" for some hope of finding a hint that maybe an event EVER happened on week-day-1 and was a worship service. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
Apr 8, 2015 #1

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we have Catholic Documents -- admitting that as given in the Bible the term "Lord's Day" refers to the Bible Sabbath - the 7th Day and not week-day-1.

The argument is not that the term "Lord's Day" does not exist in the Bible -- rather the argument is that the NT first century writers never say it is week-day-1 even though numerous times in the NT text - week-day-1 is mentioned.

But the Bible calls the 7th day the "Holy Day of the LORD" and calls it Sabbath in BOTH the OT AND the NT

here is another Catholic document that mentions the "Lord's Day"

The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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and still another Catholic document


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Convert's Catechism
Full text of "The convert's catechism of Catholic doctrine"

3. The Third Commandment.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember

that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

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Q. Which is the Sabbath day ?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Satur-
day ?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday be-
cause the Catholic Church, in the Council of
Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity
from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sun-
day, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apos-
tles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day by the plenitude of that divine power which
Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment com-
mand?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to
sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.

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Indeed - Acts 20 says that a one-time event happened on week-day-1 (again not calling it "the Lord's Day" so as not to confuse the reader). The "excuse"/reason given for this one-time event was that Paul was leaving the next day -- according to the text itself.

meanwhile - here is the actual Bible.

"the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28.
Is 58:13 - the Sabbath "is the Holy Day of the LORD"
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of LORD thy God" Ex 20:10

Indeed - in Rev 1 there is no "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"... But the NT reader does have these texts to guide them.


With proof posted many places on other threads -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

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The Sabbath hasn't been changed. Daniel says the the "little horn"/ antichrist would THINK to change laws and times.