Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

Ron Gurley said:

Post #460: "Even Charles Manson is forgiven his sins."

QUERY: Was he a "True born again BELIEVER"?
Only saved Christ-followers have their sins forgiven.
1 John 1 is written to "children of God".

John 1:12
But as many as RECEIVED Him, to them He gave the right to become "children of God",
even to those who BELIEVE in His name, (BELIEVERS!)

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I'm pretty sure Charles Manson thought or taught that he was Jesus Christ incarnate.

Doesn't sound like Charles Manson thought he needed Jesus.

Ron Gurley said:

Q: Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

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Ron, which OSAS do you hold?

1. Antinomianism (Gnosticism), corrupt actively-sinning FLESH, but saved SPIRIT

2. Eternal Security -- everyone is truly invited, but once "in" either too changed to fall, or God KEEPS each person saved

3. Sovereign Predestined Salvation (Reformed Theology, Calvinism, etcetera) -- everything is decided by God long before the world was created, only a few are truly invited and those He elects WILL be saved (and those He created to be wicked and burn cannot be turned)

God does not want you to fear loss of your SPIRITUAL POSITION IN Jesus the Christ when you sin.

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In Heb3:12-14 we are to encourage each other lest one of us become deceived by sin to a hard heart that falls away from the living God; we are partners in Christ IF we hold fast to the end.

In Heb4:11 we are warned not to fall and fail to enter God's rest by imitating Israel's disobedience and unbelief (end of previous chapter).

What do you think they intended to teach?

The sins of believers are FORGIVEN, and there is cleansing upon confession (agreeing with God).

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Hebrews 10:26-29 (written to us saved), says "if we continue sinning willfully after having received (full) knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and fury of fire that consumes the adversaries." Then it speaks of a man who was sanctified by Jesus' blood, but now tramples Jesus, insults the Spirit, and scorns the blood that once sanctified him. Isn't he US, if we do not heed the warning of verse 26?

Verse 10:35 "do not throw away your confidence" (don't throw away Jesus).
Verse 10:36 "you NEED endurance SO THAT when you've done Christ's commands you may receive the Promise".

The entire letter of Hebrews is all about "don't-become-unsaved", isn't it? Heb12:7-9 warns against becoming "unborn". Then 12:25 "much less shall WE escape who turn away from God!"

There is a terrible momentum towards "don't-fall-from-salvation", isn't there?

Ron Gurley said:

For many discussions on this topic, SEE:


https://www.christianforums.com/threads/losing-salvation.8010090/

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/you-can-lose-your-salvation-through-apostasy.7785433/

Can a Christian Lose His Salvation?

Willful Sin after Salvation and Eternal Security

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There are enough verses in my recent posts to begin a good discussion. Are you willing, Ron? Is there some way to interpret these verses into "you can NOT REALLY forsake salvation"?

What say you, brother?

Imagican said:

OSAS is contradictory to the what the Bible teaches. There are many instances where the Bible clearly shows that one can most certainly fail to obtain what it is that they hope to obtain so far as Salvation is concerned.

That is 'why' the Bible SAYS that Salvation is our HOPE. It is not guaranteed 'unless' one continues in the conditions that are 'mandatory' to Salvation.

We are even given instruction that often a man that 'sets out' on the proper path ends up in a WORSE state than before he even first began to 'believe'.

Christ's death will ONLY benefit those that are capable of accepting and FOLLOWING. For there is no possible way to prove you have accepted without FOLLOWING. To either God or even one's SELF.

So, if your 'hope' lies in Salvation, yet you are unwilling to make a conscious effort to FOLLOW that which LEADS to Salvation, you have done nothing other than create within your own mind or heart, a FALSE hope.

I have provided MUCH scripture that clearly shows that the idea of OSAS is nothing other than a 'man made doctrine' with no validity so far as the Bible is concerned. Not 'my words', but the words of Christ and His apostles. God's Word. So in order to maintain a belief in OSAS requires IGNORING all that is offered that contradicts it.

Blessings,

MEC

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Really strange, I didn't see even one verse which validates your claim.....Why is that?

God did not write our name in the book of life in pencil. He does not erase our name every time we sin, then writes it back in when we repent. When God writes our name in the book of life, He writes it in the precious blood of Jesus. There is no ink that is more permanent and indelible than the blood of our Saviour, Christ Jesus.

I wrote a blog about what the bible says on this subject and would like to share with you all (link below). God bless. Blessed Assurance {Part II}