Should the church have a healing ministry?

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One of the main passages in question is James 5:

"14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, [k]anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer [l]offered in faith will [m]restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, [n]they will be forgiven him. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed." Jas. 5:14-16 (NASB)

This passage, written by James the half-brother of Christ, a prominent leader of the church in early Jerusalem, seems to expect that the church will have a healing ministry and that this healing ministry will work a good portion of the time. I am aware that this healing ministry was probably not expected to be absolute, as Paul left Trophimus sick at Miletus, but the author does apparently expect it to work with some level of consistency.

We have another passage that may be related:

"27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep." 1 Cor. 11:27-30 (NASB)

Here Paul seems to say that taking communion in an unworthy manner has led many in Corinth to fall sick and die. Does the passage indicate, then, that taking communion in a worthy fashion helps cure disease?
 
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One of the main passages in question is James 5:

"14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, [k]anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer [l]offered in faith will [m]restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, [n]they will be forgiven him. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed." Jas. 5:14-16 (NASB)

This passage, written by James the half-brother of Christ, a prominent leader of the church in early Jerusalem, seems to expect that the church will have a healing ministry and that this healing ministry will work a good portion of the time. I am aware that this healing ministry was probably not expected to be absolute, as Paul left Trophimus sick at Miletus, but the author does apparently expect it to work with some level of consistency.

We have another passage that may be related:

"27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep." 1 Cor. 11:27-30 (NASB)

Here Paul seems to say that taking communion in an unworthy manner has led many in Corinth to fall sick and die. Does the passage indicate, then, that taking communion in a worthy fashion helps cure disease?

Very good question, and the answer is yes. And the implications seem obvious enough that it should not be through some traveling healer, but through the elders in every church. And moreover that healing SHOULD manifest, and not simply hey pray a prayer and see nothing happen, does it not? The words, "and the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up" seem to make that an almost inescapable conclusion.

Very good post. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Very good question, and the answer is yes. And the implications seem obvious enough that it should not be through some traveling healer, but through the elders in every church. And moreover that healing SHOULD manifest, and not simply hey pray a prayer and see nothing happen, does it not? The words, "and the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up" seem to make that an almost inescapable conclusion.

Very good post. :oldthumbsup:

We must also deal with the fact that Paul left Trophimus sick at Miletus and, of course, that Timothy had a problem with his stomach.

We could imagine scenarios where Paul is unable to get to Trophimus in Miletus and heal him. The question, then, is is the healing ministry of the church absolute? If we take the passage in James 5 literally then it seems to indicate that it is, but the passage could be contingent upon the will of God. Even so, we have to ask whether or not that passage is referring to a "healing ministry" that works like .01% of the time. As I said above, clearly James expects the healing ministry to work with some degree of confidence.

Now we have to ask the question: where is this healing ministry in the church today?
 
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We must also deal with the fact that Paul left Trophimus sick at Miletus and, of course, that Timothy had a problem with his stomach.

We could imagine scenarios where Paul is unable to get to Trophimus in Miletus and heal him. The question, then, is is the healing ministry of the church absolute? If we take the passage in James 5 literally then it seems to indicate that it is, but the passage could be contingent upon the will of God. Even so, we have to ask whether or not that passage is referring to a "healing ministry" that works like .01% of the time. As I said above, clearly James expects the healing ministry to work with some degree of confidence.

Now we have to ask the question: where is this healing ministry in the church today?

Absolute, no. I think that would be reading into the text a little too far, for the simple reason that if the sick person were indeed sinning and not confessing it according to the James passage, your passage in 1st Corinthians (among several) implies they would not receive their healing.

As regards Trophimus, I think some might make an assumption that the James passage implies the healing was always immediate, whereas I think time was probably involved for certain healings to fully manifest.

And as for the Timothy thing, that may be kind of a non-issue. Sounds more like a slight stomach ache sort of a condition, and possibly only occasional.
 
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Sort of a long, rather depressing answer. As I consistently contend, the power of God has largely dissipated from the church because we ceased to give ourselves to incessant prayer as commanded (1 Thessalonians 5:17, Colossians 4:2, Ephesians 6:18), and it was the power of God that not only produced healing (Luke 8:46) but also miracles, signs and wonders. Only when we return to incessant prayer (both individually and corporately) will we see the true power of God return to manifesting with any sort of consistency again.
 
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Sort of a long, rather depressing answer. As I consistently contend, the power of God has largely dissipated from the church because we ceased to give ourselves to incessant prayer as commanded (1 Thessalonians 5:17, Colossians 4:2, Ephesians 6:18), and it was the power of God that not only produced healing (Luke 8:46) but also miracles, signs and wonders. Only when we return to incessant prayer (both individually and corporately) will we see the true power of God return to manifesting with any sort of consistency again.

QFT! ~ In fact, I find it no other place.

For those that do not know my health problems and the miracles that have come, I am the recipient of such healing.

The power of prayer.

Forgive me...
 
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QFT! ~ In fact, I find it no other place.

For those that do not know my health problems and the miracles that have come, I am the recipient of such healing.

The power of prayer.

Forgive me...

Praise God! That's a great testimony, and worth repeating as often as opportunity allows. :oldthumbsup:

If you don't mind my asking, what does QFT mean?
 
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Praise God! That's a great testimony, and worth repeating as often as opportunity allows. :oldthumbsup:

If you don't mind my asking, what does QFT mean?

QFT = Quoted for Truth

Good morning!

Forgive me...
 
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QFT = Quoted for Truth

Good morning!

Forgive me...

Good morning to you as well, good sir.

And thanks for the heads up. I'm still trying to learn online shorthand. The other day another member here referred to experiencing struggles with SSA (same sex attraction). I thought he was having trouble with the Social Security Administration.
 
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Good morning to you as well, good sir.

And thanks for the heads up. I'm still trying to learn online shorthand. The other day another member here referred to experiencing struggles with SSA (same sex attraction). I thought he was having trouble with the Social Security Administration.

Bwahahahahahahaha! Good thing I wasn't holding my coffee!

Forgive me...
 
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Bwahahahahahahaha! Good thing I wasn't holding my coffee!

Forgive me...

The older we get, the more things like holding onto our coffee become the least of our worries, LOL.
 
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