How many church attenders do you think actually believe?

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I understand the struggle. I've only come to the faith recently, but I've been trying to read the Bible straight through for... maybe 4 years now? Anyway, no matter how much I've tried, I always get stuck either at the law, specifically late Exodus and Leviticus, or I get stuck at the Chronicles. A few months ago, I started reading with a small group, and we were gliding through the worst, longest marathons of Exodus, but unfortunately, we've had conflicting schedules lately, so for want of getting too out-of-sync, I'm stuck at late Exodus.

I don't know what I'd do once I finish. I'm not one to read the same book twice, so I'd probably only read at church or for study purposes after a single complete pass-through.
I've found it more useful to read the Bible in sections, rather than just reading it in order. Other people may have different thoughts. The Bible is also very different from any other book I have read. I suppose it depends on how we approach reading it. I know that I enjoy reading something in the Bible more than once because I often see something different, at a deeper level, than I saw when reading it previously.
 
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I've found it more useful to read the Bible in sections, rather than just reading it in order. Other people may have different thoughts. The Bible is also very different from any other book I have read. I suppose it depends on how we approach reading it. I know that I enjoy reading something in the Bible more than once because I often see something different, at a deeper level, than I saw when reading it previously.
The Bible is in the order it is for good reason, though. The Old and New Testaments are very distinctly separated into different sections, and even further, are put into order my a methodology that takes into account age, chronology, and thematic. You could read it out of order if you really wanted to, the books in their oldest forms weren't even originally compiled together, after all, but the reason the Bible is organized as it is was to create the most perfect compilation possible out of the available sacred religious writings of the time, and it succeeded. There is no better way to read than in the order it's already presented unless you're studying one specific text at a time.

As for seeing something different every time you read: I agree, but I also go to church and study the Bible 3 times a week aside from my personal reading. That combined with occasional personal study and analysis is more than enough, so I don't think I'll ever read the whole thing chronologically more than once.
 
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I understand the struggle. I've only come to the faith recently, but I've been trying to read the Bible straight through for... maybe 4 years now? Anyway, no matter how much I've tried, I always get stuck either at the law, specifically late Exodus and Leviticus, or I get stuck at the Chronicles. A few months ago, I started reading with a small group, and we were gliding through the worst, longest marathons of Exodus, but unfortunately, we've had conflicting schedules lately, so for want of getting too out-of-sync, I'm stuck at late Exodus.

I don't know what I'd do once I finish. I'm not one to read the same book twice, so I'd probably only read at church or for study purposes after a single complete pass-through.
One thing that is helpful is to use a chronological guide and read the books in order of time. Also, I had learned that if you read something you don't understand, go ahead and plow through it. The Holy Spirit will bring it back to your remembrance at the right time. If you want I can send you a copy of the chronological reading guide.
 
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It seems that sometimes people perceive church as a nice social club where they can socialize with other people and do good works -- a lot like community service organization. Do you think that some people view the church this way?

Absolutely. I attended a church that paid for advice on how to grow larger.
Adding Kitchen staff and a full time volunteer coordinator did grow the church.
 
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@Baby Cottontail
As I have thought about your question further, I think you are asking the wrong question. I think you should ask, Why are there so few disciples of Christ in church? It is true that some do not believe and are there for the social reasons, but I think the majority want to believe to escape Hell, and to take comfort in a God who will help them in their times of need. Your friend who attends weekly may be in the latter reason.

Few, however, take Jesus seriously, about living by the leading of his Spirit, and prefer road signs we call principles to live by. Living by the Spirit is an intimate relation with God knowing His likes and dislikes and being sensitive when to when we may grieve the Holy Spirit.
 
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It seems that sometimes people perceive church as a nice social club where they can socialize with other people and do good works -- a lot like community service organization. Do you think that some people view the church this way?
Without question
 
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How many actually believe?... 24!

Actually, it all depends on the congregation. With better churches, maybe 70-80% or even higher in some cases. With weaker, spiritually dead churches, anywhere from 10-30%. All depends.

( I've reread your statement after writing the post, and I don't know if you were referring to sizes in general or percentages of people in relation to the amount in the church, but I just going to leave this post anyway, because it may have some value to someone on this thread. If I've addressed your particular post wrongfully, I apologize)

Side note I guess.

It's interesting that the assumption of big churches equating to spiritual strength and small attendances equates to spiritually dead churches.When it's not necessarily the case.

It brought me back to a sermon I was hearing at my local church, talking about the attributes of the faithful church that Jesus is coming back for. The church of Philadephia was used as an example since, in Revelation 3, they were indeed a church that God praised.

One of the distinct attributes was that despite how few they were in number, they were great in faith.
(Revelation 3:8)

So it's safe to conclude that attendances or size of the church is not a true benchmark of a spiritually healthy church or that a church is better. Nor is bigger size makes a difference of how present God is in the church. IIt only takes a few for God to dwell (Matthew 18:20). And yes while there is strength in numbers, the strength is not coming from the amount in general, the strength is coming from a number of people that were great in faith, and were able to support one another in the christian walk.

You can have a big or little church that is spiritually dead, you can have a big or little church that is spiritually alive. The only true way to judge the health of the congregation, like a physical body, is to test it out based on the Word.
 
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@Baby Cottontail
As I have thought about your question further, I think you are asking the wrong question. I think you should ask, Why are there so few disciples of Christ in church? It is true that some do not believe and are there for the social reasons, but I think the majority want to believe to escape Hell, and to take comfort in a God who will help them in their times of need. Your friend who attends weekly may be in the latter reason.
Hmmm.....I see your point, and I think that is probably true for some who attend church. But what about those who don't believe in hell? Unfortunately, not all who attend church believe that hell even exists. I think that one of those individuals may still take comfort in a God who will help them in their times of need.

I don't know whether or not my friend who attends weekly believes in hell or not. If he does, then what you've said could very well describe him. If he doesn't, then the rest of what you said --- about taking comfort in times of need could still apply.

I personally believe that both heaven and hell exist, but I know quite a few people who do not believe in the existence of hell, yet they attend churches regularly. (I don't know anyone specifically who attends the church I'm a member of who doesn't believe in hell. I'm referring to people who I know outside of my church.)

Hell, though, is not really something that is talked a lot about in my church. I could see how there might be some people who attend who don't believe in it, although I don't know because the subject just hasn't come up.

@Baby Cottontail
Few, however, take Jesus seriously, about living by the leading of his Spirit, and prefer road signs we call principles to live by. Living by the Spirit is an intimate relation with God knowing His likes and dislikes and being sensitive when to when we may grieve the Holy Spirit.
Very true.
 
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It brought me back to a sermon I was hearing at my local church, talking about the attributes of the faithful church that Jesus is coming back for. The church of Philadephia was used as an example since, in Revelation 3, they were indeed a church that God praised.

One of the distinct attributes was that despite how few they were in number, they were great in faith.
(Revelation 3:8)

So it's safe to conclude that attendances or size of the church is not a true benchmark of a spiritually healthy church or that a church is better. Nor is bigger size makes a difference of how present God is in the church. IIt only takes a few for God to dwell (Matthew 18:20). And yes while there is strength in numbers, the strength is not coming from the amount in general, the strength is coming from a number of people that were great in faith, and were able to support one another in the christian walk.

Excellent points. :oldthumbsup:
 
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( I've reread your statement after writing the post, and I don't know if you were referring to sizes in general or percentages of people in relation to the amount in the church, but I just going to leave this post anyway, because it may have some value to someone on this thread. If I've addressed your particular post wrongfully, I apologize)

Side note I guess.

It's interesting that the assumption of big churches equating to spiritual strength and small attendances equates to spiritually dead churches.When it's not necessarily the case.

It brought me back to a sermon I was hearing at my local church, talking about the attributes of the faithful church that Jesus is coming back for. The church of Philadephia was used as an example since, in Revelation 3, they were indeed a church that God praised.

One of the distinct attributes was that despite how few they were in number, they were great in faith.
(Revelation 3:8)

So it's safe to conclude that attendances or size of the church is not a true benchmark of a spiritually healthy church or that a church is better. Nor is bigger size makes a difference of how present God is in the church. IIt only takes a few for God to dwell (Matthew 18:20). And yes while there is strength in numbers, the strength is not coming from the amount in general, the strength is coming from a number of people that were great in faith, and were able to support one another in the christian walk.

You can have a big or little church that is spiritually dead, you can have a big or little church that is spiritually alive. The only true way to judge the health of the congregation, like a physical body, is to test it out based on the Word.
Perhaps it was my fault for not writing clearly enough.

However, my intended question was this: "approximately how many people who attend church do you think actually believe?"

To that question, someone listed percentages based on whether or not they thought the church was spiritually strong or dead. I took the percentages to be percentages of the attenders who believe -- not the total number of people who attend church attending each type of church.

If we are dealing with the percentage of the number of attenders in each type of church, then it doesn't matter how many total people attend each type. It would always be a percentage of the total number of attenders to each type of church.

So, to answer your question: I don't know if you were referring to sizes in general or percentages of people in relation to the amount in the church,

Answer: I was referring to percentages of people in relation to the amount in the church. I think that's what the person who was responding to me meant by the percentages that they listed.

I completely agree with you that church size has nothing to do with it. There are definitely some big churches out there that have false teaching in them. There are definitely really small churches out there that have solid teaching. The reverse for both is also true.

You were right to remind us all about this, even if that was not what we were discussing (at least not what I had in mind). It is good to be reminded that church size has nothing to do with the solidness of the teaching, or whether or not a church is spiritually alive.
 
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An overly intellectual approach to Christianity is simply not necessary or required.
Not necessary or required.

I apologize....it's just how I think about things. That's just how I'm put together, I guess. I know that it may annoy some people.
 
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I'm not expressing my annoyance. I'm expressing my belief that somebody who is not wearing their religion on their sleeve should not be dismissed as "nominal".
 
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If this belongs in another forum section, please let me know. I tried to look around to see if it fit in somewhere else better, and I didn't think so. However, maybe I overlooked something.

Anyway, when I was fresh out of college someone made the following comment in an adult Sunday School class of the church that I'm a member of:

"Christianity is just a feel good religion. That's all it is." The person who made this comment was an older member of the congregation, and someone who regularly attends, and is quite active in the church.

I'm not sure exactly how he meant his comment, but it made me question whether or not he actually believed that Christianity was true. Or did he make that comment because he did believe, but still felt that it was a "feel good" religion.

How many people who attend church do you think would agree with his statement? How many people outside of the church?

It seems that sometimes people perceive church as a nice social club where they can socialize with other people and do good works -- a lot like community service organization. Do you think that some people view the church this way?

It's been bugging me for a while, and I just wanted to see what other people thought.

Hi,
excellent question, I have wondered this myself. We have a small congregation at our church. Most are true sincere believers and live truly Christian lives. But they are elderly, I'm youngest at 54. Many of them don't continue to grow. I go to a housegroup in the next village. Hardly anyone else wants to do such a thing. They are set in the their ways.
One elderly friend amazed me about her understanding of what is a Christian. Referring to someone she knew who had died she said that woman was a better Christian than anyone she knew even though she had never gone to church or believed in Christ! Apparently her kind nature Alone qualified her as a Christian! I didn't dare correct her as she is an awkward argumentative type. What I wanted to say was, the definition of a Christian is to accept Christ first as saviour! That is the whole point.
 
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Hi,
excellent question, I have wondered this myself. We have a small congregation at our church. Most are true sincere believers and live truly Christian lives. But they are elderly, I'm youngest at 54. Many of them don't continue to grow. I go to a housegroup in the next village. Hardly anyone else wants to do such a thing. They are set in the their ways.
One elderly friend amazed me about her understanding of what is a Christian. Referring to someone she knew who had died she said that woman was a better Christian than anyone she knew even though she had never gone to church or believed in Christ! Apparently her kind nature Alone qualified her as a Christian! I didn't dare correct her as she is an awkward argumentative type. What I wanted to say was, the definition of a Christian is to accept Christ first as saviour! That is the whole point.

So there are many who don't understand even the basic things that ti give your life to Jesus and believe he died for us is paramount! Many think good works is enough.
Thanks for your thoughtful responses.

For some people, it seems, being Christian is equated with being a good person.

For others, a Christian is anyone who claims to be a Christian.

I once wrote a paper for a class in graduate school, and I defined a Christian as anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I was corrected by the professor (he said that that definition was far too narrow, and I had to change my paper so that the definition was that anyone who thought of themselves as a Christian was one.

Sigh....
 
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Thanks for your thoughtful responses.

For some people, it seems, being Christian is equated with being a good person.

For others, a Christian is anyone who claims to be a Christian.

I once wrote a paper for a class in graduate school, and I defined a Christian as anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I was corrected by the professor (he said that that definition was far too narrow, and I had to change my paper so that the definition was that anyone who thought of themselves as a Christian was one.

Sigh....

Hi
Lol! There does seem much confusion. The clue is in the name! Pure and simple, des a person accept Jesus Christ as saviour and Lord?
 
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