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No they do not! They believe Christ is the Completion. He is the fulfillment of prophecy. Again are you a Jew? Do you believe Yeshua fulfilled the covenant promises?, or are we to expect another?

Most of the people in the Christian Testament are Jews, including Yeshua, Why do you have a problem with Him and His people?
 
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What answers did you give me other than you and your fathers do not know . You could not answer yes or no to my post in actuality. Your No was based upon not knowing?

Errrm, you are right, the 'no' answer is related to not knowing!!!
 
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REALLY? Did what so we do not have to?
I am not Jewish.

By completion, they mean, 'He did it, so we don't have to.'

He has not fulfilled ALL Messianic prophecies yet, nor has he fulfilled all the covenant promises yet. He will do that when he returns.

No, I do not expect another.
When he returns what is he going to do? Is it obvious there is more to come and be fulfilled through His elect?Are we presently in the New heaven and New earth?
 
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When he returns what is he going to do? Is it obvious there is more to come and be fulfilled through His elect?Are we presently in the New heaven and New earth?


The better promises of the new covenant are those that God made to the Jewish people:

  • I will put my Torah within them.

  • I will write my Torah on their hearts.

  • All Israel will “know the LORD.”

  • I will forgive their wickedness.

  • I will not remember their sins.

  • Israel will never cease to be a nation before God.

  • I will never reject the seed of Israel.

  • I will rebuild Jerusalem as an eternal structure.

  • The entire city will be holy to the LORD.

  • The Messiah will rule on David’s throne.

  • The Levitical priesthood will serve in the Temple before me.
 
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The better promises of the new covenant are those that God made to the Jewish people:

  • I will put my Torah within them.

  • I will write my Torah on their hearts.

  • All Israel will “know the LORD.”

  • I will forgive their wickedness.

  • I will not remember their sins.

  • Israel will never cease to be a nation before God.

  • I will never reject the seed of Israel.

  • I will rebuild Jerusalem as an eternal structure.

  • The entire city will be holy to the LORD.

  • The Messiah will rule on David’s throne.

  • The Levitical priesthood will serve in the Temple before me.
This is all true. Would that make them a living Ark of the covenant? What is the temple? What is the New Jerusalem.
 
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This is what the mainline Christian world believes, not me.
Well then you are not Messianic ( IN THE TRUE MEANING OF THE WORD ) and you are certainly not Christian and not qualified to teach anything according to the Word.
 
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Well then you are not Messianic ( IN THE TRUE MEANING OF THE WORD ) and you are certainly not Christian and not qualified to teach anything according to the Word.

I think we have a serious language barrier problem here. I said that the Christian world believes the Torah was abolished. I said it wasn't. This is the big difference between mainstream Christianity and Messianic Judaism.
 
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"Miriam.= Melchizedek of the old testament entered the womb of the Virgin Miriam."

Utter foolishness. Its bad enough that people believe Yeshua was a spirit being sent to become a flesh and blood child in Miriam's womb. Its far worse to believe a flesh and blood man entered a woman's womb to become a flesh and blood child.

A Body You Have Prepared For Me.

Psalm 40 commentary.
N.I.V. foot note for
Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote.

Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

Theodotion 200 A.D.
Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.”

In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar. If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother. If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.


I would like to state that Christians never claimed that God procreated through Mary, but that He (God) created a body in the linage of David. I do not think that that linage ruling was in effect at the time of Christ birth.

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Yahshua Messiah as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Yahshua is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25. And this is what he even promised us—eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.



The Masoretes Version

Psalms 40:6. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but my ears you have pierced;

burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require.
7. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.


If those who are the Anti-Christ deny that the Messiah would come in bodily form, then it is very likely for them to have changed the Hebrew text of Psalms 40:6 to read: “but my ears you have pierced”…


Long before the Christian era the scripture read: "a body you have prepared for me." The Masoretes Version is a late entry into the bible.
 
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A Body You Have Prepared For Me.

Psalm 40 commentary.
N.I.V. foot note for
Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote.

Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

Theodotion 200 A.D.
Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.”

In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar. If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother. If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.


I would like to state that Christians never claimed that God procreated through Mary, but that He (God) created a body in the linage of David. I do not think that that linage ruling was in effect at the time of Christ birth.

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Yahshua Messiah as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Yahshua is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25. And this is what he even promised us—eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.



The Masoretes Version

Psalms 40:6. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but my ears you have pierced;

burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require.
7. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.


If those who are the Anti-Christ deny that the Messiah would come in bodily form, then it is very likely for them to have changed the Hebrew text of Psalms 40:6 to read: “but my ears you have pierced”…


Long before the Christian era the scripture read: "a body you have prepared for me." The Masoretes Version is a late entry into the bible.
Why did you quote my post to then post this? What does this have to do with my post? I believe Messiah had a physical body. I also believe he was Fathered by YHWH through the power of His Holy Spirit.
 
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Why did you quote my post to then post this? What does this have to do with my post? I believe Messiah had a physical body. I also believe he was Fathered by YHWH through the power of His Holy Spirit.
Quote: "Its bad enough that people believe Yeshua was a spirit being sent to become a flesh and blood child in Miriam's womb."
 
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Enoch
[Chapter 41]

1 And after that I saw all the secrets of the heavens, and how the kingdom is divided, and how the 2 actions of men are weighed in the balance. And there I saw the mansions of the elect and the mansions of the holy, and mine eyes saw there all the sinners being driven from thence which deny the name of the Lord of Spirits, and being dragged off: and they could not abide because of the punishment which proceeds from the Lord of Spirits.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
 
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Quote: "Its bad enough that people believe Yeshua was a spirit being sent to become a flesh and blood child in Miriam's womb."
I know that is what I wrote. Your post does not address that. YHWH prepares a body for all people.
 
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Enoch
[Chapter 41]

1 And after that I saw all the secrets of the heavens, and how the kingdom is divided, and how the 2 actions of men are weighed in the balance. And there I saw the mansions of the elect and the mansions of the holy, and mine eyes saw there all the sinners being driven from thence which deny the name of the Lord of Spirits, and being dragged off: and they could not abide because of the punishment which proceeds from the Lord of Spirits.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Both references refer to Father YHWH, not His Son Yeshua.
 
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I do not care what the Jebusites called Jerusalem . The Word can appear anywhere He want's and the promise land was always inhabited by gentile tribes. Moses lead the ancient Hebrews there. Jacob is from there and returned there with his two Brides. Do you know the meaning of this. It is God's chosen land promised to His people, regardless of who inhabited it. The point is Yeshua is the King of Salem, The King of Righteousness, Priest of God Most High- of no genealogy. King of Kings, Lord of Lords. It matters not who is king of any city in mans terms. His Kingship is above mans. And is why the one with whom the covenant was made (Abraham) gave a tithe to The PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. Are you even of Jewish descent? Or are you the The synagogue of satan Rev. 3:7-9, who lie.
Melchezideck was almost certainly Shem the son of Noah.

Abraham KNEW who Melchizedek was.

In the Hebrew, it means MY king is righteous. Some distort the translation to mean King of Righteousness which is an error. One needs to examine the biblical lineage to get a clearer picture here. Adam is a firstborn of men. Methuselah knew Adam as both were alive at the same time for MANY years. Shem knew Methuselah for nearly 100 years before Methuselah's death.

Shem Dies 110 years AFTER Issac. So the knowledge of creation and the flood would have been passed directly to Abraham by Shem.

Melchizedek is a TYPE of Messiah he was NOT an incarnation of Yeshua!!!!
 
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No they do not! They believe Christ is the Completion. He is the fulfillment of prophecy. Again are you a Jew? Do you believe Yeshua fulfilled the covenant promises?, or are we to expect another?
Then they believe in error. Yeshua PLAINLY stated: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The word Fulfill that you transpose to be completed in the greek is PLEROO Strongs 4137
universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i. e. "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Matthew 5:17; cf. Weiss, Das Matthäusevang. as above with, p. 146f

Of couse, you will note that the exact verse I cited are Matthew 5:17-19. It is very clear that Yeshua is the MODEL in HOW we as believers are to walk on a daily basis.

Or as Paul would say we are to be in this world not OF IT. If you live like a pagan gentile you are OF this world.

I've yet to see a those who are anti-Torah explain why during the millennial reign why the Feast days of the Father are to be observed by all nations or rain will be withheld from their lands. This being so, why does the gentile church teach to ignore the decree's of scripture to observe them?

The problem is that under the gentile leadership, the church has lost its roots. It does not today, understand the Hebrew idioms in scripture, it does not in large part even understand that Tanak. This has caused confusion and error.
 
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